PatrickGSR94

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These are pics of my shifter torque rod bushing after about 5 years, or what's left of it (the edges crumble off in my hands). This bushing doesn't see much movement at all, other than just from engine movement, so just imagine what suspension bushings would do

There is so much free play around that middle hole in the bushing that the metal washer that sits on the other side of the bushing just clangs around, not tight at all, even with the bolt fully tight. I was hearing something weird in my front end yesterday, so I'm hoping this is it.

Tyson

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im actually really surprised to see this gone as well. the poly shifter bushings were one of the only few bushings i would even suggest to replace.

hmm... i guess its worth a check on mine.

PatrickGSR94

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yep, probly just order some OEM ones along w/ new b!tch pin and rubber boot, since the rubber boot on my change rod is completely torn in half.

chrisw85

Should I worry about the poly shifter stabilizer bushings? Like this kit: http://www.google.com/products...title

That picture you have looks like a differnt bushing that what this kit replaces.

PatrickGSR94

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The first kit is what I have. It's showing a split bushing for the one in my pic above. It's 2 pieces that fits into each side of the linkage. However I don't remember if mine were like that, or just one bushing that I had to muscle and press into the linkage.

chrisw85

Is that a b-series transmission? I think that part is different on the b-series versus what I have, a d-series http://www.slhondaparts.com/br...=true

When i installed mine it was a two piece bushing. I havent had any problems so far. I got the Energy black graphite impregnated one. I don't remember removing the bitch pin when installing it; i think I only took off a bolt...

PatrickGSR94

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You don't have to take the pin out, I just said I have to because I have to replace the rubber boot that goes over it. I'm going to order an OEM bushing at the same time I order those parts.

I think the ES bushing comes in 2 pieces to make it easier to install.

TunerN00b

And this was the one poly bushing I have purchased and was ready to install. Now I'm rethinking it.

Sigh. Its a shifter bushing. It shouldn't be subject to the stress of a suspension bushing.

Ok, who's ready to try talking a company into bulk manufacturing delrin bushings for our cars?

CRX Lee

I'm with Tyson, shifter bushings are some of the few polyurethane bushings that I will use. Those and sway bar bushings. I won't let them near my shocks and don't like them on control arms for street use but the racecar is okay if it doesn't have bind and won't get much mileage.

The anwer is that polyurethane is not the answer to all questions. Just becasue it can be molded ino many shapes doesn't mean it is the right material for all jobs.

Legion

This is probably the dumbest thread ever. Do you even know what polyurethane is? This thread is the equivalent of having something on your car rust, then creating a thread called "just say no to metal."

If the particular compound used by the particular company that made your bushings is starting to fail, then you should probably "just say no" to the company you bought them from.

PatrickGSR94

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Semtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is probably the dumbest thread ever. Do you even know what polyurethane is? This thread is the equivalent of having something on your car rust, then creating a thread called "just say no to metal."

If the particular compound used by the particular company that made your bushings is starting to fail, then you should probably "just say no" to the company you bought them from.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I disagree with you. Polyurethane bushings used to be, and still are, marketed by the manufacturers as the end-all solution to OEM rubber bushings that wear out after a few years on the car. In the past few months after seeing pics and info on here I've come to the conclusion that polyurethane bushings just are not suitable for a daily driven street car.

I was just posting these pics to confirm what happens to polyurethane bushings. My OEM rubber bushing that I removed when I installed the poly bushing had nowhere NEAR the slop this one has now, and the OEM one was about 8 years old when I took it off. If this happened to my shifter bushing which sees almost no movement, just imagine your front LCA bushings in polyurethane after only a couple of years.

Or better yet, just see for yourself: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1563815

slammed_93_hatch

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not suitable for a race car either!

PatrickGSR94

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or that

ATS*Mark

youv'e had the poly bushing there for 5 years and are complaining? oem shifter bushings dont last that long....

Legion

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PatrickGSR94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I disagree with you. Polyurethane bushings used to be, and still are, marketed by the manufacturers as the end-all solution to OEM rubber bushings that wear out after a few years on the car. In the past few months after seeing pics and info on here I've come to the conclusion that polyurethane bushings just are not suitable for a daily driven street car.

I was just posting these pics to confirm what happens to polyurethane bushings. My OEM rubber bushing that I removed when I installed the poly bushing had nowhere NEAR the slop this one has now, and the OEM one was about 8 years old when I took it off. If this happened to my shifter bushing which sees almost no movement, just imagine your front LCA bushings in polyurethane after only a couple of years.

Or better yet, just see for yourself: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1563815</TD></TR></TABLE>


I don't need to see anything - I went to school and learned about polymers firsthand; I don't need to get my facts from internet forums

You replaced a soft bushing with a hard one (non graphite impregnated at that) and you're surprised that it didn't last as long? Were you expecting a free lunch? This stuff seems like common sense to me.

The worst part is when people use non-graphite bushings AND they don't routinely lube them. I'm sorry, but are you people idiots? Do you expect the initial coating of moly lube to last forever?

chrisw85

Delrin FTW.

Legion

Isn't Delrin a hard plastic?

PatrickGSR94

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wanna bet?

PatrickGSR94

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I don't need to see anything - I went to school and learned about polymers firsthand; I don't need to get my facts from internet forums

You replaced a soft bushing with a hard one (non graphite impregnated at that) and you're surprised that it didn't last as long? Were you expecting a free lunch? This stuff seems like common sense to me.

The worst part is when people use non-graphite bushings AND they don't routinely lube them. I'm sorry, but are you people idiots? Do you expect the initial coating of moly lube to last forever?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Most people on this forum and in the Honda modding community don't have the knowledge you seem to have about polyurethane bushings. Most people will just blindly buy them because they believe all the marketing hype. "They're stiffer so they must be better. They're plastic so they won't deteriorate like OEM rubber". And so they buy them and just throw them in. Some will lube them up properly, some won't, but almost NOBODY will re-lube them periodically as required.

That's why I have ES rear swaybar bushings with grease fittings, so I can keep fresh grease in there all the time.

Before a few months ago I was one of those people, almost ready to buy a full polyurethane master set to replace all my worn rubber bushings. Now I won't touch them, because my car is not a race car and no longer sees any track time, and I know I don't want to continue to have to re-grease and eventually replace the bushings again.

I'm just trying to help bring this to everyone's attention that if you're looking for a performance bushing, but don't want to deal with the required maintenance, polyurethane isn't the way to go. And then of course I want to help disspell the false marketing claim that polyurethane last longer and doesn't deteriorate like OEM rubber bushings. That is straight up false.

full Circling

who is actually using delrin?

PatrickGSR94

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I don't know what they are actually made of, but Orijin Motorsports' hard bushings are claimed to have a wear rate 54 times less than Delrin bushings.

http://www.orijinmotorsports.com/prodbushen.html

hafftrak

So where can one buy a complete set of OEM bushings? Anyplace other than the dealer?

Legion

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Would you actually want OEM shifter bushings? Not only do they feel like ****, but they contribute to mis-shifts. Wouldn't you rather buy a new set of poly bushings ($15) every 5 years (twice in your car's lifetime)?

hafftrak

I mean a full suspension set, not shifter bushings.

Tyson

you can buy them from parts retailers like http://www.ips-parts.com/ that will sel "oem quality". they are much cheaper. but i will not vouch for their quality over REAL oem parts from the dealer.

but we all know OEM parts are just made by regular parts suppliers to the manufacturers specs and parts suppliers often do change. however, who knows if whats sold outside of "oem" is really "oem quality".