jiggatone

well yeah im on a budget and i need new suspension..something cheap and comfortable..some friends are leading me towards these skunk2 coilovers..250 or so..anyone got these can tell me wassup..i have no clue so yeah enlighten me..should i save and get a full suspension?or should i go piece for piece and mix up stuff?anyone know a cheap full suspension?well yeah help me out kthnx<33

forgot to mention that i got a 96 EK.

jiggatone

i got 500

Tyson

illuminas and pro kits.

blucivicSl

what about illumina's kit its on ebay for 460 and at least you know the shocks are matched well with the springs? im looking into the same thing i want to do sway bars too tho anyone used suspension techniques?

alwaysoverkill

Tokico Illuminas ($375 shipped) with H&R Sports ($145 shipped). A hair over your budget but both are quality products and will lower your car about 1.75" front and 1.5" rear.

Usually would ask what the intentions of the car is, but with a $500 budget it limits it. Just be sure to buy quality products and get an alighment after its installed.

JDM-IN-STOCK was the vendor I used off Ebay for those prices.

94eg!

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tonEK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">some friends are leading me towards these skunk2 coilovers..</TD></TR></TABLE>

Any "coil-over" spring will be considerably stiffer than a regular "lowering" spring. Remember that a coil-over spring is made to ride up to 3" lowered. At that height you MUST have a stiff spring to keep from bottoming out.

You would do best to use a good quality lowering spring (H&R, Neuspeed or Eibach) along with good quality adjustable shock (Tokico illumina or Koni sport). The adjustable shock will allow you to dial in the final ride quality that you desire without having to change springs. It will also allow you to switch between "performance" settings and "comfort" if you so desire.

PS: Don't forget to factor in an alignment with your "lowering" budget ($60 at Sears). Don't worry about the added negative camber (thats a good thing), but the change in toe will start to eat your tires rather quickly...

Also, do some research on reseting your suspension bushings. This will make sure the OEM rubber lasts its intended life span. Do this before you get the alignment...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blucivicSl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what about illumina's kit its on ebay for 460 and at least you know the shocks are matched well with the springs?</TD></TR></TABLE>

There is no such thing as a "matched" set of springs & shocks. The two aren't as closely related as you might think...

blucivicSl

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There is no such thing as a "matched" set of springs & shocks. The two aren't as closely related as you might think...</TD></TR></TABLE>

how do you figure that?, the spring rates on the tokico kit are matched for the illuminas. from what i understand shocks and springs are pretty closely related. actually i heard that the tokico kit's springs are really eibach springs made for the kit, anyone know? besides you cant beat that price and you can always change the springs later on and at least you have some adjustability with the illuminas

Tyson

how do you determine whats "matched" or not? what criteria? what application? what about mass?

ranges, sure. not "matched". they can make a best guess at what the consumer wants, say for a "street" ride, but thats all. any company that says their shocks are matched with their springs doesnt know what theyre talking about. sure, it sounds great. its just marketing to make you feel warm and fuzzy.

i love illuminas. I can change the shock valving in both compression and rebound simultaneously to "match" the feel I want. but it changes whether i want a nicer street ride or increase the response for a sportier feel.

blucivicSl

http://www.proshocks.com click tech and read up

Tyson

http://www.proshocks.com/calcs/imotion.htm
??

how about you copy and paste what you want me to read.

the link you posted doesnt reaffirm anything.

blucivicSl

what i mean by matched is that these springs are meant to operate within the approprate ranges of the shock, if it doesnt matter why dont we all use ebay springs?

Tyson

i agree. there are RANGES of use.

what im asking you is that within any useful range, when does a spring and shock become exactly "matched"? as the term seems to imply.

blucivicSl

Suspension systems are made up of many component parts. The shock absorber is one of the more important components in the suspension system. We would like to explain some fundamentals about shock absorbers.

A shock absorber is a velocity-sensitive hydraulic damping device, which uses hydraulic pressure to resist movement of the suspension spring to limit and control the spring's action. Wheel movements, or changes in the relationship between the axle and the chassis, are controlled primarily by the spring. The movement of the spring is motion that must be controlled or dampened by the shock absorber.

The shock absorber accomplishes control over a moving spring by a relatively simple method. Resistance to suspension movement is produced in the shock absorber when hydraulic fluid is forced through a series of valves and orifices during spring movement. The energy produced by the spring movement is dissipated by the shock in the form of heat energy and is passed off into the surrounding air.


so how are they not related

Tyson

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blucivicSl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Suspension systems are made up of many component parts. The shock absorber is one of the more important components in the suspension system. We would like to explain some fundamentals about shock absorbers.

A shock absorber is a velocity-sensitive hydraulic damping device, which uses hydraulic pressure to resist movement of the suspension spring to limit and control the spring's action. Wheel movements, or changes in the relationship between the axle and the chassis, are controlled primarily by the spring. The movement of the spring is motion that must be controlled or dampened by the shock absorber.

The shock absorber accomplishes control over a moving spring by a relatively simple method. Resistance to suspension movement is produced in the shock absorber when hydraulic fluid is forced through a series of valves and orifices during spring movement. The energy produced by the spring movement is dissipated by the shock in the form of heat energy and is passed off into the surrounding air.</TD></TR></TABLE>

my "find word" function comes up with nothing when i search for the word "match" in the blurb.

its just a laymans description of suspension. so what.

oh ic, you have a problem with the word "related" now.

well youre gonna have to take that up with 94eg. thats not how i would have worded it....

blucivicSl

they become matched when they are made for each other by the factory specifically to work with one another. im not saying you couldnt find other springs that work well im just saying you know theses springs are made for these struts so u dont have to worry about blowing your struts. plus you get a lifetime warranty if you use thier shocks but otherwise its void

Tyson

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blucivicSl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they become matched when they are made for each other by the factory specifically to work with one another.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ok.

to what end? what do they do well?

im not arguing that the illumina kit is a bad kit and you shouldnt buy it. just dont think that one shock has one optimal spring. especially an ADJUSTABLE shock....

blucivicSl

true im just saying you know that these will perform well for a street setup like the op is goin for and for a good price with the security of the warranty. and yes many springs would work but not all, at least you know these do work and are easily replaceable


Modified by blucivicSl at 4:28 PM 12/6/2006

Tyson

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blucivicSl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">true im just saying you know that these will perform well for a street setup like the op is goin for and for a good price with the security of the warranty. and yes many springs would work but not all, at least you know these do work and are easily replaceable</TD></TR></TABLE>

that sounds very warm and fuzzy.

the lifetime warratny is great tho!

btw, everyone knows im tokico's biggest fan. great shock! can handle lots of different spring rates for many different uses. ive used the same shocks with stock springs, to eibach pros, to custom 350/450, to 450/900. the SAME shock. NOT the same application however.

and ive had them dyno tested after the hardest of use. they came out looking fine!

E-Money

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if you got 5 bones now, i would be in the market for the konis and run stock springs, then save yourself some dough and get some eibachs.. setup im running on my 99 prelude. i hate the way junk2s run on my buddy's teg. horrible ride. plus he never got an alignment