Kouki-EK9

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Yup, they also have a +50 offset, this is why I'd never run CTR or USDM ITR wheels.

94eg!

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kouki-EK9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yup, they also have a +50 offset, this is why I'd never run CTR or USDM ITR wheels. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Damn! With an offset that high, doesn't it negate the larger track width of the Type R hubs?

EG6_GUY

With an offset that high you can run 205/50/15 tires low with no rubbing issues at all.

HiProfile

Race-preped civic = &lt;2200 lbs. 4 lugs. Low center of gravity.

'67 firebird convertible = 3500 lbs+. 5 rusty, 39 year-old lugs in time-weakened hubs. High center of gravity due to top structure.

So far with all the abuse I've given my old car, I've never had issues with snapping lugs - and thats with 245/50/16's on all four. Nor did any of the race-prepped cars from the late 60's. Which leads me to believe that with 4 extended & hardened lugs from ARP per wheel, you'll almost never have a problem with a lug breaking. The only time people have issues is when they don't use anti-sieze & over-torque lugs.

As stated, 5lug is more for bling than for wheel options. If you can't do good enough with 4 lugs, you either haven't tried hard enough, or are picky like 94eg!.

hayabusa160

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EG2driver &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dont forget that an ITR 5-lug hub uses a wheel bearing that is 10mm wider in order to reduce camber while making a turn, yielding more control. Mainly its just for show, because they can.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i dunno about that. i took a gsr knucle got a gsr wheel bearing and a brand new itr hub from honda. they all went together like its suppost to....because only the hub is different from the 2 cars.

94eg!

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hayabusa160 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i dunno about that. i took a gsr knucle got a gsr wheel bearing and a brand new itr hub from honda. they all went together like its suppost to....because only the hub is different from the 2 cars.

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That is not the case for the rear end...

Plus, I would think it would be a lot more expensive to convert GSR parts to Type R spec...

hayabusa160

well yea but i got in an accident and i needed a new knucle haha.
i got the front brakes off a 94 ex4 door civic with abs for 50 bucks so it had integra knucles but the kid who crashed his car didnt know that.

btw if anyone needs a gsr hub i got one

chrisw85

if the usdm new civics are 5 lug and the new jdm civics were 4 lug you can bet your bottom dollar that people would convert to 4lug for the jdm look yO.

Stoich EG2

i did 4x114.3 itr conversion with 98+ itr calipers and im upgraded to 11" front rotors

4 lugggggggggggggggggggg

ATS*Mark

its a trade off . 5lug conversions are heavier . but offer better braking. i like the better braking

hayabusa160

the weight imo is not a real big deal most of it is due to the larger brakes. if you were to do the big brake upgrade on a 4 lug with redrilled rotors you will end up almost with the same weight.

superdupervtec

Half the stuff being said here makes no sense what so ever, If you can't afford a 5 lug setup, or just don't have one don't bash the 5 lugs. It's not about jdm ****.

From what I know the difference is approx 5mm wider for a Itr wheel placement, and it's acheived in the hub not the bearing.

5 lugs are better, period.

I'm not a pro racer, but I had a picture of a spoon race car from japan and it had mechanical problems and had to retire, 4 of five wheel stud broke. Yes it was running a 5 lug.

So even 5 is not enough.

So spoon and Honda are both wrong and everyone on honda tech is a more superior engineer.

94eg!

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Tell us how you really feel... LOL!

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by superdupervtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Half the stuff being said here makes no sense what so ever, If you can't afford a 5 lug setup, or just don't have one don't bash the 5 lugs. It's not about jdm ****.

From what I know the difference is approx 5mm wider for a Itr wheel placement, and it's acheived in the hub not the bearing.

5 lugs are better, period.

I'm not a pro racer, but I had a picture of a spoon race car from japan and it had mechanical problems and had to retire, 4 of five wheel stud broke. Yes it was running a 5 lug.

So even 5 is not enough.

So spoon and Honda are both wrong and everyone on honda tech is a more superior engineer.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You're a total idiot.

superdupervtec

and?

Targa250R

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by superdupervtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and?</TD></TR></TABLE>
And everybody here knows it.

superdupervtec

including myself

hayabusa160

indeed

Kouki-EK9

lol, this thread really took a turn for the worse.

mrcool

it takes seconds longer to change a tire on
a five lug
than a 4 lug

jk

unless you take your car to such limits
that you wheel studs can't handle it
leave it stock


Modified by mrcool at 9:02 AM 4/10/2006

IntegraBoy04

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Or instead of paying the rediculous price of 5 lug, you can buy a real brake kit that offers better braking than oem type r brakes.

DC4KiD

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I did mine mainly for looks, but I noticed that there was a big braking difference between the 4-lug setup I had, and the 5-lug I have now.

94eg!

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There are a few problems with aftermarket big brake kits. One is that most require giant 17" wheels. Wilwood makes kits that are supposed to fit 15" & 16" wheels, but even they say you must use an adjustable proportioning valve to maintain proper brake balance. On a Honda, you would need two of their adjustable valves because the brake system is divided into two separate fluid systems (for saftey).

Brake balance is the key to decreasing stopping distances. The larger rotors of the wilwood kit will put too much brake torque on the front axles causing the fronts to lock up too soon. This leaves you with rear tires that are not living up to their potential. The result is an actual increase in stoping distance. Without the adjustable prop valve, you cannot make both the front & rear tires do the maximum amount of work possible...

The only NON OEM brake kit on the market that doesn't upset your brake balance (and can actually improve it) is Stoptech's big brake kit. And again you need huge 17" wheels to fit those (plus they are $1800 )...

hayabusa160

i installed the wilwood kit on my friends car before. its a nice kit but they limit the kind of 15 inch wheels you can run. we had to go through 3 sets of wheels before we found one that fit. even then it was close about 4mm of clerance from the spokes to the calipers.

94eg!

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Was that the 11" rotor or the 12.2" rotor kit?