(H)vtech

I own a 97 accord ex and so far what I have done to the engine is a performance chip, msd blaster coil, msd distributor cap, accel wires, arospeed cold front mount intake(the one that looks like an intercooler) greddy headers and dual seabring tunning exhaust...anything else I could do for decent hp with out going forced introduction? Thanks

FatJoe

might wanna find one of them there h22a Vtech motors... i herd they give you good whiplash. make sure to get the vtech model too, not the VTEC model... those VTEC models are just engines with VTEC stickers on em, they dont do you any good........

fw190bvi

suspension, suspension, suspension.......you have an econo box....like ignition and a chip are supposed to give you power???

2point6

You do not need to upgrade your ignition at all. the factory set-up is plenty capable. Run OEM wires or NGK replacements. I am speaking from experience. If you could go OBD1instead of your OBD2 ECU, you could see gains as well. Get a AEM or equivalent CAI, don't waste your money on the front mount look-alike.

fw190bvi

u cant just switch ECU's, thats retarded and pointless.....the ENGINE is also OBDII, not just the ECU......+ theres no real point unless your boosting

2point6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fw190bvi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u cant just switch ECU's, thats retarded and pointless.....the ENGINE is also OBDII, not just the ECU......+ theres no real point unless your boosting</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ahh, you have much to learn, grasshopper... Yes, there is a bit more to going OBD1 from OBD2 such as a jumper harness, which is not a big deal, but since I was mearly making a suggestion, felt no need to discuss the harness at this point. Obviously, you haven't ever done this on an Accord before, so if you say it is pointless, you had better be speaking from experience. Simply put, if you haven't done it... shut up.

fw190bvi

i say its pointless because its not a cake walk, and its not neccesary, espscially in this case........i dont see the ends justifying the means for a daily driver

2point6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fw190bvi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i say its pointless because its not a cake walk, and its not neccesary, espscially in this case........i dont see the ends justifying the means for a daily driver</TD></TR></TABLE> Why isn't it a cake walk? Disconnect the ECU, plug the jumper harness into the stock wiring and plug the new Ecu into the harness.... go to the dyno and find 12 whp (average) more across the rev band. How hard is that? ALMOST Plug and play.
(94-95accord vtec ecu's swap wires at a6 and a11, P28 Ecu' are plug and play)



Modified by 2point6 at 4:37 PM 7/17/2004

fw190bvi

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Why isn't it a cake walk? Disconnect the ECU, plug the jumper harness into the stock wiring and plug the new Ecu into the harness.... go to the dyno and find 12 whp (average) more across the rev band. How hard is that? Plug and play. </TD></TR></TABLE>

12whps is news to me, but im not saying its not possible......what frees up 12whp???

2point6

OBD2 is much tighter with emissions control than OBD1.

fw190bvi

true.....but 12whp???.....so your telling me id pull 12 more whp at a dyno than a similar 96 EX?????

2point6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fw190bvi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">true.....but 12whp???.....so your telling me id pull 12 more whp at a dyno than a similar 96 EX?????</TD></TR></TABLE> Yes. On average. OBD1 opens a lot more tuning potential beyond just running a stock ECU.... of course.

JDM.Accord

So how much does this 'jumper harness' cost? I already went OBD 1 for my swap but I'm interested in how much just this procedure would cost.

fw190bvi

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Yes. On average. OBD1 opens a lot more tuning potential beyond just running a stock ECU.... of course.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so the OBDII accords are slower off the showroom floor??.....i know OBDI allows for x10 more tunability, but even on a stock engine (CAI and ignition dont really do ****)??

2point6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMAccord2nr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So how much does this 'jumper harness' cost? I already went OBD 1 for my swap but I'm interested in how much just this procedure would cost.</TD></TR></TABLE>The harness can run you $75 and up. There was an advertisement on this site for them.

2point6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fw190bvi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

so the OBDII accords are slower off the showroom floor??.....i know OBDI allows for x10 more tunability, but even on a stock engine (CAI and ignition dont really do ****)??</TD></TR></TABLE> Just about every OBD2 Honda can yeild gains from going OBD1, so yes Based on my experience OBD2 is slower.

fw190bvi

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Just about every OBD2 Honda can yeild gains from going OBD1, so yes Based on my experience OBD2 is slower.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well, i guess you can learn something new every day........

&lt;== pwn3d

b_ron007

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">might wanna find one of them there h22a Vtech motors... i herd they give you good whiplash. make sure to get the vtech model too, not the VTEC model... those VTEC models are just engines with VTEC stickers on em, they dont do you any good........ </TD></TR></TABLE>

thats funny, whiplash? ahahahahahah. go get u forced induction. IMO i think dropping money on a H22 just to get maybe 40whp is a joke.

FatJoe

it is unless u dont want to do a swap AND turbo... i would turbo my f ANYDAY over getting an h22....but i have 3 oil leaks and bad piston rings and i just dont want to deal with putting together a turbo kit and swappin in a new f series... im just too damn lazy, plus i just like the idea of having an h22a in my car, that sooner or later COULD be turboed...

(H)vtech

well thanks for the input, I'll have to check more into the OBD1 ecu. I was told by many people that external coil is the way to go on imports and upgraded spark plug wires for better combustion at higher rpm's. btw I have a maxspeed suspesion, 18 sport max rims, cross drilled and slotted rotors.


One more question what would be better, OBD1 ecu or a performance upgraded ecu?

v4lu3s

when you say "peformance upgraded ecu" i assume you mean Jet...which is a big waste of money....you may see lsightly advanced timing on it at best.

(H)vtech

Hrmmmm, well I have seen dnyo sheets that say you get 11hp out a jet performance chip over the rpm range. But who knows they could be a hoax. I guess what it comes down to is that I have about 400-500$ right rdy to spend on my car...what should I do be looking for to help get the most out of my engine with out going forced introduction.

v4lu3s

i sure didnt get anything from teh jet ship i bought a few years back.

propwdialogue

honestly, if i were you, i would sell the 18s buy some 16s (and hopefully make a little profit) that way, you have less rotaional mass and hopefully more money to spend on making your car faster

2point6

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by (H)vtech &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well thanks for the input, I'll have to check more into the OBD1 ecu. I was told by many people that external coil is the way to go on imports and upgraded spark plug wires for better combustion at higher rpm's. btw I have a maxspeed suspesion, 18 sport max rims, cross drilled and slotted rotors.


One more question what would be better, OBD1 ecu or a performance upgraded ecu?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Consider this... I run stock ignition on all of my race engines and my personal daily driver listed in my signature. NGK wires would be second to only OEM wires I would change as far as the ignition system. If you do want an external coil, then convert to a factory coil. Seriously, the aftermarket stuff is not needed. Honda designed their ignition system very well. The money spent could be put to use elsewhere were a benifit can be made, such as lighter wheels.

As far as the ecu is concerned a "chipped" ecu can benifit depending on which one, but I have never seen a gain from Jet personally.