G23 VTEC Street Build Dyno
05-24-2010, 01:07 PM
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G23 VTEC Street Build Dyno
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05-24-2010, 01:20 PM
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Re: G23 VTEC Street Build Dyno
Good loooking powerband!
Looks like the motor can support more cam since VTEC crossover is so low. Pro-1's or Pro-2's would be a great addition, and wouldn't force you to rev much higher.
Looks like the motor can support more cam since VTEC crossover is so low. Pro-1's or Pro-2's would be a great addition, and wouldn't force you to rev much higher.
05-24-2010, 03:18 PM
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Re: G23 VTEC Street Build Dyno
Nice pirate.
looks the the vtec is set around 4000rpm
i should be able to dyno mine nxt week i'm thinking around 210whp.
u ever think about doing a hytech replica header maybe another 10whp.
and how does the car idle with the intake cam advanced so much.
looks the the vtec is set around 4000rpm
i should be able to dyno mine nxt week i'm thinking around 210whp.
u ever think about doing a hytech replica header maybe another 10whp.
and how does the car idle with the intake cam advanced so much.
05-25-2010, 03:25 PM
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Very very good info i'm gonna get some cam gears and do some tuning on mine and see what i can get out of it. Question ur h22 intake manifold is it one big hole or u just ported the holes and squares. On mine i have the top and iab plenum gutted but i have the runners in the bottom manifold meeting the iab plate but it's 4 runners. So it's like a long runner big plenum and 70mm tb.
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05-26-2010, 01:51 PM
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Opps just read the first post about the pistons, i fail. Last time i contacted wiseco for custom pistons they told me to talk to race engineering instead...weird
05-26-2010, 08:24 PM
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Re: G23 VTEC Street Build Dyno
thats one badass motor awesome numbers. What type of build do you have with the K motor?
It would be cool to see a overlay of the g23 and the K dynos.
It would be cool to see a overlay of the g23 and the K dynos.
05-27-2010, 05:15 AM
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U know that's a good comparison but with some pro 2 cams a good header hytech header i'd say for just a better header and a 3inch exhaust i'd say u come pretty close to the k24 with hp and tq. And also if u were to do a b series tranny that's another 15-20whp if u had a civic chassis to put it in that is. So maybe like 260- 270 on a non ported head. Not to far behind from the newer technology.
05-27-2010, 06:58 AM
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Re: G23 VTEC Street Build Dyno
nice build man, the 97mm h22 torque curve looks awesome
How would you compare your k24 build to you h22 build in terms of pricing/performance...
How would you compare your k24 build to you h22 build in terms of pricing/performance...
05-27-2010, 08:17 AM
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Re: G23 VTEC Street Build Dyno
Where do people pick up 20whp from the B-series transmission? Color me über skeptical.
I can see a 20 pound weight reduction in the gearboxes, but otherwise it's a gearbox very similar in design to the Prelude/Accord units and it's running the gears of the same metalurgy through the same fluid and bearings and out the same style differential and does not translate to a 20whp difference in power transmission.
H23V, this thread's not a B/F/G/H vs K debate. I'm not porting the H22 head, I'm not going to ITBs, 14:1 compression and .600" lift VTEC-killer cams in a Civic chassis with something to prove. That's absolutely unreasonable for the shitbox economy car I drive to work every day. I'm sorry, K-series is better than H and B series. It's not always cost-effective, but it's a lot easier to hit the big numbers NA. If I had the money I wouldn't even be messing with 4-bangers.
Yes, a better intake and exhaust system and cams will boost the top end of my setup, but you're on a different planet if you get 270whp on a stock head with just cams and exhaust. Either that or you dyno on Church's dynapack. As it is on my local dyno I'm making about 50whp, 45wtq over a stock I/H/E H22A1 and it's good enough for now.
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I can see a 20 pound weight reduction in the gearboxes, but otherwise it's a gearbox very similar in design to the Prelude/Accord units and it's running the gears of the same metalurgy through the same fluid and bearings and out the same style differential and does not translate to a 20whp difference in power transmission.
H23V, this thread's not a B/F/G/H vs K debate. I'm not porting the H22 head, I'm not going to ITBs, 14:1 compression and .600" lift VTEC-killer cams in a Civic chassis with something to prove. That's absolutely unreasonable for the shitbox economy car I drive to work every day. I'm sorry, K-series is better than H and B series. It's not always cost-effective, but it's a lot easier to hit the big numbers NA. If I had the money I wouldn't even be messing with 4-bangers.
Yes, a better intake and exhaust system and cams will boost the top end of my setup, but you're on a different planet if you get 270whp on a stock head with just cams and exhaust. Either that or you dyno on Church's dynapack. As it is on my local dyno I'm making about 50whp, 45wtq over a stock I/H/E H22A1 and it's good enough for now.
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Yes the k24 is a better in this comparison but i love and will always be a hseiries guy and if i had the money try and be right there with Nah2b fighting off the k's.
05-27-2010, 12:07 PM
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Re: G23 VTEC Street Build Dyno
well there is a difference ask anybody who has a h2b setup escpecially 2fastgsr and NaH2b they both dyno tested and track tested and have the most info about those setup's. h2b stock setup's intake header exahust making 216whp.
it also gave him a extra .5 tenths from 12.1 to a 11.7 also.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/stock-h2b-dyno-results-216-166-a-2308216/
there is the link.
where have u been lol.
it also gave him a extra .5 tenths from 12.1 to a 11.7 also.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/stock-h2b-dyno-results-216-166-a-2308216/
there is the link.
where have u been lol.
05-27-2010, 05:33 PM
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Re: G23 VTEC Street Build Dyno
I'm not sure what exact amount of power is gained from a B trans, but its in the range of 10+whp. It's mostly in the final drive, I'm sure. There's tons of dynos of H2b and straight H with same or very similar mods with at least 10whp+ differences. I know most stock H2B's will put out well over 200whp, while a straight stock H puts out 190, MAX. On the same dyno. Of course, there are plenty of factors here, but B trans definitely makes a substantial difference in power output.
05-28-2010, 06:58 PM
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Thats gotta be a blast to drive around daily.
To comment on the h2b making more power than the straight h22. My car made more power on the straight h22 than i did with the h2b. Now there are a lot of factors that could have produced this loss in power or maybe the first dyno read higher i'm not sure. Different day different dyno and 5 years apart. lol maybe the motor is tired. But on the *** dyno, it "feels" faster. But i'm sure thats due to gearing more than anything else.
To comment on the h2b making more power than the straight h22. My car made more power on the straight h22 than i did with the h2b. Now there are a lot of factors that could have produced this loss in power or maybe the first dyno read higher i'm not sure. Different day different dyno and 5 years apart. lol maybe the motor is tired. But on the *** dyno, it "feels" faster. But i'm sure thats due to gearing more than anything else.
05-29-2010, 07:53 AM
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just cause 1 car made 216 doesn mean squat. other cars made 210 still doesnt mean squat. gimme some info on where these dynos are, ambient temps, moisture levels, elevation......all this plays part. Also most of these h2B guys run b16 trannys, some even with 4.7FDs which we all know Torque multiplication is whats happening here. Compare a GSR tranny to a H22 Tranny.
1st and 2nd on the h22 is actually shorter where as 3-4-5 is a bit shorter on the GSR the FD is only slightly higher on the GSR. TBH I dont see a big difference at all in between a GSR and a H22 Tranny. Therefor your logic of how a B series tranny gives u that xtra 20 is flawed.
U saw my dyno with pro2s on a stock H, US spec on top of that. i made 212 and 155 and b4 i made 178 145 on the same dyno. Granted that was 2 years ago but in the same month of the year. It was hot and muggy on both days. Your not gonna tell me a GSR tranny that is so similar to a H22 tranny is gonna account for 34HP and 10ft lbs of TQ
Maybe i should get a B16 tranny with a Mfactory 5.2 FD and ill see 240hp....
1st and 2nd on the h22 is actually shorter where as 3-4-5 is a bit shorter on the GSR the FD is only slightly higher on the GSR. TBH I dont see a big difference at all in between a GSR and a H22 Tranny. Therefor your logic of how a B series tranny gives u that xtra 20 is flawed.
U saw my dyno with pro2s on a stock H, US spec on top of that. i made 212 and 155 and b4 i made 178 145 on the same dyno. Granted that was 2 years ago but in the same month of the year. It was hot and muggy on both days. Your not gonna tell me a GSR tranny that is so similar to a H22 tranny is gonna account for 34HP and 10ft lbs of TQ
Maybe i should get a B16 tranny with a Mfactory 5.2 FD and ill see 240hp....
05-29-2010, 08:13 PM
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Re: G23 VTEC Street Build Dyno
The B-series tranny is not worth 20whp. I will bet any amount of money on that.
BTW, the way a Dynojet calculates hp can make it inaccurate when it comes to things like changes in rotational mass.
BTW, the way a Dynojet calculates hp can make it inaccurate when it comes to things like changes in rotational mass.
06-01-2010, 04:18 PM
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just cause 1 car made 216 doesn mean squat. other cars made 210 still doesnt mean squat. gimme some info on where these dynos are, ambient temps, moisture levels, elevation......all this plays part. Also most of these h2B guys run b16 trannys, some even with 4.7FDs which we all know Torque multiplication is whats happening here. Compare a GSR tranny to a H22 Tranny.
1st and 2nd on the h22 is actually shorter where as 3-4-5 is a bit shorter on the GSR the FD is only slightly higher on the GSR. TBH I dont see a big difference at all in between a GSR and a H22 Tranny. Therefor your logic of how a B series tranny gives u that xtra 20 is flawed.
U saw my dyno with pro2s on a stock H, US spec on top of that. i made 212 and 155 and b4 i made 178 145 on the same dyno. Granted that was 2 years ago but in the same month of the year. It was hot and muggy on both days. Your not gonna tell me a GSR tranny that is so similar to a H22 tranny is gonna account for 34HP and 10ft lbs of TQ
Maybe i should get a B16 tranny with a Mfactory 5.2 FD and ill see 240hp....
1st and 2nd on the h22 is actually shorter where as 3-4-5 is a bit shorter on the GSR the FD is only slightly higher on the GSR. TBH I dont see a big difference at all in between a GSR and a H22 Tranny. Therefor your logic of how a B series tranny gives u that xtra 20 is flawed.
U saw my dyno with pro2s on a stock H, US spec on top of that. i made 212 and 155 and b4 i made 178 145 on the same dyno. Granted that was 2 years ago but in the same month of the year. It was hot and muggy on both days. Your not gonna tell me a GSR tranny that is so similar to a H22 tranny is gonna account for 34HP and 10ft lbs of TQ
Maybe i should get a B16 tranny with a Mfactory 5.2 FD and ill see 240hp....
Not only one car made those numbers. But i'd know u don't know alot about a good setup or how to do u research if u are trying to make power. U are getting beat by stock i/h/e h22 when u have a built semi built head with skunk2 pro 2 cams so i clearly would expect u to even gather that's it's not about the final drive. Final drive helps u at accelerate quicker and narrows ur 2 3 4 closer together so u are in a certain powerband. h22/gsr have different casing. HHmmmm i think bout i'm not sure but yea it is the h22 casing is bigger bulker so inside it has different weighing rotating components. Actually pirate says that the b series tranny is 25 lb's lighter so if u account that to the already torque modification and the weight savings and how the b series tranny is better as far as not miss shifts and power shifting the **** out of it which i can most def vouch for that. ================================= endless possiblities of whp/tq and et's.
Do u ever wonder if 2 +2 =4
no u don't it's just a fact it makes since.
as this should also make since
i don't know y there is a difference but it just is.
06-01-2010, 06:55 PM
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It's funny that u say that about the s2k's i'm faster than an s2000 by .4tenth's in the 1/8th mile stock cams/head by my caluculations i should be making 212whp at my weight and trap speed in the 1/8th mile at 79mph which in the 1/4 should put me around 99-100 mph and the weight with me in the car 2901.
running 9.07 et 79.02mph with me in the car 2901
212 whp by the mph.
running 9.07 et 79.02mph with me in the car 2901
212 whp by the mph.