4th Generation or 5th Generation Type S?

jimakazi · 01-23-2006, 03:35 PM

I don't want to start any wars but...

I am looking at Preludes at the moment, and I have fond memories of my 4th generation JDM VTEC - Si with it's lit up wrap arround dash, and seats. My buddy has a 5th Gen and the interior isn't as special in my opinion, and I find the seats lack upper body support.

However I can get my hands on either a 1996 or 1997 Type S (yes a genuine JDM Prelude with 220ps / 162kw and ATTS), both white. The alternative is a Black 1996 4th Gen 5 speed manual with low K's. I understand the type S will go round corners like it's on rails, but with the extra weigth of the ATTS, is no faster in a straight line despite additional power.

Are there any compelling arguments for or against either?

hu · 01-23-2006, 08:29 PM

IMO, the 4th gen looks the best. Between the 2, I would get the 5th gen. The ATTS can be removed.

BB6racer · 01-23-2006, 09:18 PM

i was in your same place about a year ago. well, i now have a 5th gen prelude. i think the weight difference is very minimal, and good driving can overcome any weight disadvantages of the 5th gen. the 5th gens have better handling and brakes in my opinion. the 4th gens do look better inside and out, but the 5th gen has a very unique front end. plus the 5th gen has jdm type-s upgrades available. its up to you, the pros and cons of each car will have to be weighed by you in the end.

hu · 01-23-2006, 09:30 PM

Its kinda hard to pass up a Type S engine.

honda_andy · 01-23-2006, 09:40 PM

sorry, im canadian, how do you guys get the jdm 5th gen, is it legal?

hu · 01-23-2006, 11:21 PM

^ Probably swapped in.

jimakazi · 01-24-2006, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honda_andy

sorry, im canadian, how do you guys get the jdm 5th gen, is it legal?

I'm down in New Zealand and we import a hell of a lot of used JDM cars - we are right hand drive like Japan.

So every JDM model is avaialble in New Zealand - so I am talking about an original JDM type S Prelude. Some are avaialble with nice after market bits like Mugen exhausts, Mugen intakes etc.

So my untimate Prelude would be a nice 1996 4th Gen - with a Type R or Type S JDM H22A transplant. If I go for a 5th Gen type S I will need to invest in some new front seats, of have the original modified to provide more support.

My intention is to use the Prelude for fun, and hill climbs (timed runs up hills with lot's of corners) - the Type S with ATTS would be ideal. The Type S will cost about $NZ10,500 ($NZ1.00 buys about $US0.70). I'm selling my CBR1100XX to finance the Prelude.

honda_andy · 01-25-2006, 12:27 AM

o i see, i thought you were in the USA, my dream is to get a genuine Type-S one day

, good luck to you in finding one.

jimakazi · 01-25-2006, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honda_andy

o i see, i thought you were in the USA, my dream is to get a genuine Type-S one day

, good luck to you in finding one.

I'm going to see this one tomorrow - unfortunately my CBR1100XX hasn't sold yet.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade...6.htm

Too_Funny · 01-25-2006, 09:48 AM

If you can, look into the 5th gen SIR. IMO, far better than both cars you have listed.

bad-monkey · 01-25-2006, 10:01 AM

the SIR is nice, and i prefer the helical LSD to ATTS, but too much ATTS bashing here lately. it's a good system, and in some situations works better than an LSD (like low speed, tight corners).

imo, if you're gonna keep it relatively simple with the mods, i'd go with the type s. if you think you'll be doing other **** like turbo, SC, high cost NA buildup, it'll prob be easier to work with the 4th. The one burn about the type-s is the tranny. The ratios aren't as nice as the M2F4 in the 4th gen, and there's no way around it b/c of the ATTS.

anyone know if you can use an aftermarket FD in an atts tranny?

93h22a1vtec · 01-25-2006, 02:09 PM

why 96 4th gen? wouldnt u rather have obd1?

jimakazi · 01-27-2006, 01:51 AM

A 96 here mean sold new in 96, not manufactured in 96 - so yes an OBD1 would be preferable.

cuban · 01-27-2006, 04:13 AM

Get the 5th gen, type s motor 11:1 compression, climate control, 220hp 3 spoke wheel..... If you don't want it send it over for us

1nf3ct3d · 01-27-2006, 10:13 AM

5th.

EOE · 01-27-2006, 11:32 AM

I own a 4th and I say go with 5th, supercharger idea beats 4th gen in every espect.

01-23-2006, 03:35 PM	#1
jimakazi Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wellington, North Island, New Zealand Posts: 61 iTrader Rating: (0)	4th Generation or 5th Generation Type S? I don't want to start any wars but... I am looking at Preludes at the moment, and I have fond memories of my 4th generation JDM VTEC - Si with it's lit up wrap arround dash, and seats. My buddy has a 5th Gen and the interior isn't as special in my opinion, and I find the seats lack upper body support. However I can get my hands on either a 1996 or 1997 Type S (yes a genuine JDM Prelude with 220ps / 162kw and ATTS), both white. The alternative is a Black 1996 4th Gen 5 speed manual with low K's. I understand the type S will go round corners like it's on rails, but with the extra weigth of the ATTS, is no faster in a straight line despite additional power. Are there any compelling arguments for or against either? __________________ <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/h-emblem4.gif" BORDER="0"> 2001 CBR1100XX Honda Super Blackbird 2000 Rover 75 (KV6 2.5 liter V6, 5 speed auto) 1996 Honda Odyssey 4WD F22B SOHC (JDM)

01-23-2006, 08:29 PM	#2
hu Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,410 iTrader Rating: (0)	IMO, the 4th gen looks the best. Between the 2, I would get the 5th gen. The ATTS can be removed. __________________ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident - Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

01-23-2006, 09:30 PM	#4
hu Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,410 iTrader Rating: (0)	Its kinda hard to pass up a Type S engine. __________________ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident - Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

01-23-2006, 09:40 PM	#5
honda_andy Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 401 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: (hu) sorry, im canadian, how do you guys get the jdm 5th gen, is it legal?

01-23-2006, 11:21 PM	#6
hu Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,410 iTrader Rating: (0)	^ Probably swapped in. __________________ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident - Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

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01-23-2006, 09:18 PM	#3
BB6racer Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: May 2005 Location: WA, USA Posts: 980 iTrader Rating: (0)	i was in your same place about a year ago. well, i now have a 5th gen prelude. i think the weight difference is very minimal, and good driving can overcome any weight disadvantages of the 5th gen. the 5th gens have better handling and brakes in my opinion. the 4th gens do look better inside and out, but the 5th gen has a very unique front end. plus the 5th gen has jdm type-s upgrades available. its up to you, the pros and cons of each car will have to be weighed by you in the end.

01-25-2006, 12:27 AM	#8
honda_andy Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 401 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: (jimakazi) o i see, i thought you were in the USA, my dream is to get a genuine Type-S one day , good luck to you in finding one.

01-25-2006, 09:48 AM	#10
Too_Funny Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Seattle, WA, US Posts: 91 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: If you can, look into the 5th gen SIR. IMO, far better than both cars you have listed.

01-25-2006, 10:01 AM	#11
bad-monkey Honda-Tech Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Off THE 60, Between THE 605 and THE 57 Posts: 9,467 iTrader Rating: (0)	the SIR is nice, and i prefer the helical LSD to ATTS, but too much ATTS bashing here lately. it's a good system, and in some situations works better than an LSD (like low speed, tight corners). imo, if you're gonna keep it relatively simple with the mods, i'd go with the type s. if you think you'll be doing other **** like turbo, SC, high cost NA buildup, it'll prob be easier to work with the 4th. The one burn about the type-s is the tranny. The ratios aren't as nice as the M2F4 in the 4th gen, and there's no way around it b/c of the ATTS. anyone know if you can use an aftermarket FD in an atts tranny?

01-25-2006, 02:09 PM	#12
93h22a1vtec Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: CT, US Posts: 503 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: (bad-monkey) why 96 4th gen? wouldnt u rather have obd1? __________________ I drive a brittany blue green sex machine 93 bb1 with h22a and a few bolt ons "I'm so jdm I drive on the other side of the road" <U>F/S</U>MANY MANY h22 parts, i have a spare blown motor pm me if you need something: JDM pistons, 3 usdm pistons, JDM rods, 3 usdm rods, crank, JDM cams, usdm cams, rebuildable head with p&p (needs comb. cham. re weld), and, alot of random **** AIM:bbLUDE93 [B][I]BB SQUAD #74[/I][/B]

01-27-2006, 01:51 AM	#13
jimakazi Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wellington, North Island, New Zealand Posts: 61 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: (93h22a1vtec) A 96 here mean sold new in 96, not manufactured in 96 - so yes an OBD1 would be preferable. __________________ <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/smile/h-emblem4.gif" BORDER="0"> 2001 CBR1100XX Honda Super Blackbird 2000 Rover 75 (KV6 2.5 liter V6, 5 speed auto) 1996 Honda Odyssey 4WD F22B SOHC (JDM)

01-27-2006, 04:13 AM	#14
cuban Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Midwest, us Posts: 235 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: (jimakazi) Get the 5th gen, type s motor 11:1 compression, climate control, 220hp 3 spoke wheel..... If you don't want it send it over for us __________________ Chris 2001 Prelude Base [B]SOLD[/B] [B]'01 Prelude Parts FS (Konis Yellows, Eibach Prokit, OEM wheel/tire)[/B] [url="http://hondamarketplace.com/zerothread?id=1820541"]http://hondamarketplace.com/zerothread?id=1820541[/url] Vouches [B] Crisgo, xTravBx, ProjectBB6[/B]

01-27-2006, 10:13 AM	#15
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01-27-2006, 11:32 AM	#16
EOE Honda-Tech Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, MA, USA Posts: 31 iTrader Rating: (0)	Re: (1nf3ct3d) I own a 4th and I say go with 5th, supercharger idea beats 4th gen in every espect. __________________ http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/4471/s2000sig3.jpg

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