SAVE Road Atlanta!
06-09-2006, 02:46 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a developer has contracted to purchase a tract of property directly adjacent to Road Atlanta. The property line is 50 feet from the actual race track along Turn 9 backstretch. 9 acres will be reserved for commercial development and the remaining will be developed into High Density Residential called "Park at Riverside".
They are encouraging all to send a letter or email to the Hall County Commissioners supporting our urgent need to deny the residential portion of this rezoning. The project is up for review June 19th at the Hall County Planning Commission meeting.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hall County Commissioners:
Hall County Website
Tom Oliver
Chairman
toliver@hallcounty.org
Deborah Lynn
Commissioner District 1
dlynn@hallcounty.org
Billy Powell
District 2
bpowell@hallcounty.org
Seve Gailey
District 3
sgailey@hallcounty.org
Deborah Mack
District4
dmack@hallcounty.org
Jim Shuler
County Administrator
jshuler@hallcounty.org
Contact Brian Skuza, General Manager Road Atlanta 770/967-6143 or at bskuza@roadatlanta.com if you have questions or comments.
Modified by wildhorsesracing at 6:27 AM 6/10/2006
They are encouraging all to send a letter or email to the Hall County Commissioners supporting our urgent need to deny the residential portion of this rezoning. The project is up for review June 19th at the Hall County Planning Commission meeting.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hall County Commissioners:
Hall County Website
Tom Oliver
Chairman
toliver@hallcounty.org
Deborah Lynn
Commissioner District 1
dlynn@hallcounty.org
Billy Powell
District 2
bpowell@hallcounty.org
Seve Gailey
District 3
sgailey@hallcounty.org
Deborah Mack
District4
dmack@hallcounty.org
Jim Shuler
County Administrator
jshuler@hallcounty.org
Contact Brian Skuza, General Manager Road Atlanta 770/967-6143 or at bskuza@roadatlanta.com if you have questions or comments.
Modified by wildhorsesracing at 6:27 AM 6/10/2006
06-09-2006, 04:16 AM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (MaddMatt)
This is serious! It happens all too often.
Morons build homes next to garbage dumps...and complain about the smell.
Morons build homes next to airports...and complain about the noise.
Morons build homes next to race tracks ...and complain about the noise, smell and rednecks.
It is quite possible that the new home owners could convince the county comissioners to mandate quiet hours on Sunday afternoon, Saturday morning, demand a 80db noise level, or shut the facility down completely.
Welcome to America, where any small group of morons can move mountains.
Morons build homes next to garbage dumps...and complain about the smell.
Morons build homes next to airports...and complain about the noise.
Morons build homes next to race tracks ...and complain about the noise, smell and rednecks.
It is quite possible that the new home owners could convince the county comissioners to mandate quiet hours on Sunday afternoon, Saturday morning, demand a 80db noise level, or shut the facility down completely.
Welcome to America, where any small group of morons can move mountains.
06-09-2006, 05:18 AM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (MaddMatt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MaddMatt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Only a true moron would build a house 50ft from a working racetrack. Only a true sucker would buy it....</TD></TR></TABLE>
See: Laguna Seca
See: Laguna Seca
06-09-2006, 06:28 AM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (Evan55)
I guess I'm just too logical. I kinda scout those things out (dumps, airports, major highways) before I make the sinlge largest purchase I'll ever make. Duh!
Isn't Laguna still in operation???
It's not "the end" of RA, but it certainly could be "the beginning of the end"...
Isn't Laguna still in operation???
It's not "the end" of RA, but it certainly could be "the beginning of the end"...
06-09-2006, 07:00 AM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (MaddMatt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MaddMatt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It's not "the end" of RA, but it certainly could be "the beginning of the end"...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm afraid you're right. There has been a bunch of residential development around Road Atlanta over the past ten years; sooner or later our beloved track will be a golf course.
It's not "the end" of RA, but it certainly could be "the beginning of the end"...</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm afraid you're right. There has been a bunch of residential development around Road Atlanta over the past ten years; sooner or later our beloved track will be a golf course.
06-09-2006, 08:20 AM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (wildhorsesracing)
I guess it really depends on who buys the homes. I'm weird, I'd buy a house and rent it out to race fans or racers, not much different then a ski-lodge.
Heck the NJmotorsport project is planning to build condos inside the track.
Heck the NJmotorsport project is planning to build condos inside the track.
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06-09-2006, 08:21 AM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (Track rat)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Track rat »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It is quite possible that the new home owners could convince the county comissioners to mandate quiet hours on Sunday afternoon, Saturday morning, demand a 80db noise level, or shut the facility down completely.
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This is exactly what happened to the best track in AZ (www.arizonamotorsportspark.com). You should take this seriously. It was a privately funded track that had all the zoning approvals and stuff before building. It was open for 2-3 years until several new developments went up around it. It wasn't long before people complained about the noise and traffic and voila!, the race track has been shutdown for over 2 years while the owner fights in court. Now we're stuck with our shitty drag strip track and our roval while a pristine, excellent road course sits dormant through years of litigation. It just defies reason that people would buy a house next to a race track, then complain about noise, but unfortunately they do.
Now, here's the real kicker. The race track literally backs up against an air force base, where they have jets taking off and landing constantly. Some of the residents there have even been trying (semi-successfully I've heard) to restrict the usage of the runways by the air force via noise complaints to the city council.
It is quite possible that the new home owners could convince the county comissioners to mandate quiet hours on Sunday afternoon, Saturday morning, demand a 80db noise level, or shut the facility down completely.
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This is exactly what happened to the best track in AZ (www.arizonamotorsportspark.com). You should take this seriously. It was a privately funded track that had all the zoning approvals and stuff before building. It was open for 2-3 years until several new developments went up around it. It wasn't long before people complained about the noise and traffic and voila!, the race track has been shutdown for over 2 years while the owner fights in court. Now we're stuck with our shitty drag strip track and our roval while a pristine, excellent road course sits dormant through years of litigation. It just defies reason that people would buy a house next to a race track, then complain about noise, but unfortunately they do.
Now, here's the real kicker. The race track literally backs up against an air force base, where they have jets taking off and landing constantly. Some of the residents there have even been trying (semi-successfully I've heard) to restrict the usage of the runways by the air force via noise complaints to the city council.
06-09-2006, 08:57 AM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (FlyZlow)
Yep. This crap happens all the time.
I sure hope they deny the request!
I want to race at RA someday!
I sure hope they deny the request!
I want to race at RA someday!
06-09-2006, 09:11 AM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (MaddMatt)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MaddMatt »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess I'm just too logical. I kinda scout those things out (dumps, airports, major highways) before I make the sinlge largest purchase I'll ever make. Duh!
Isn't Laguna still in operation???
It's not "the end" of RA, but it certainly could be "the beginning of the end"...</TD></TR></TABLE>
laguna's still in operation, but w/ crazy noise restrictions. I believe it's 92 dB for people who don't have tons of $$$$ to have the restriction lifted. Makes me wonder what those rich dummies do when there's a motoGP race, or champ car or WC race there.
Isn't Laguna still in operation???
It's not "the end" of RA, but it certainly could be "the beginning of the end"...</TD></TR></TABLE>
laguna's still in operation, but w/ crazy noise restrictions. I believe it's 92 dB for people who don't have tons of $$$$ to have the restriction lifted. Makes me wonder what those rich dummies do when there's a motoGP race, or champ car or WC race there.
06-09-2006, 09:46 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Track rat »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Welcome to America, where any small group of morons can move mountains.
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And as the sticker says on my motorcycle helmet "Never Underestimate the Power of Idiots in Large Groups"
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FlyZlow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
This is exactly what happened to the best track in AZ (www.arizonamotorsportspark.com). You should take this seriously. It was a privately funded track that had all the zoning approvals and stuff before building. It was open for 2-3 years until several new developments went up around it. It wasn't long before people complained about the noise and traffic and voila!, the race track has been shutdown for over 2 years while the owner fights in court. Now we're stuck with our shitty drag strip track and our roval while a pristine, excellent road course sits dormant through years of litigation. It just defies reason that people would buy a house next to a race track, then complain about noise, but unfortunately they do.
Now, here's the real kicker. The race track literally backs up against an air force base, where they have jets taking off and landing constantly. Some of the residents there have even been trying (semi-successfully I've heard) to restrict the usage of the runways by the air force via noise complaints to the city council.</TD></TR></TABLE>
When I read this that was the first thing I thought of was what happened out in AZ. AZ people are noise ****'s too, hence why they are putting "rubber" down on the highways to make them quieter.
Welcome to America, where any small group of morons can move mountains.
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And as the sticker says on my motorcycle helmet "Never Underestimate the Power of Idiots in Large Groups"
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FlyZlow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
This is exactly what happened to the best track in AZ (www.arizonamotorsportspark.com). You should take this seriously. It was a privately funded track that had all the zoning approvals and stuff before building. It was open for 2-3 years until several new developments went up around it. It wasn't long before people complained about the noise and traffic and voila!, the race track has been shutdown for over 2 years while the owner fights in court. Now we're stuck with our shitty drag strip track and our roval while a pristine, excellent road course sits dormant through years of litigation. It just defies reason that people would buy a house next to a race track, then complain about noise, but unfortunately they do.
Now, here's the real kicker. The race track literally backs up against an air force base, where they have jets taking off and landing constantly. Some of the residents there have even been trying (semi-successfully I've heard) to restrict the usage of the runways by the air force via noise complaints to the city council.</TD></TR></TABLE>
When I read this that was the first thing I thought of was what happened out in AZ. AZ people are noise ****'s too, hence why they are putting "rubber" down on the highways to make them quieter.
06-09-2006, 11:00 AM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (CRX Toad)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX Toad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">AZ people are noise ****'s too, hence why they are putting "rubber" down on the highways to make them quieter. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, I've driven on a couple of those patches. The difference is amazing, but good lord is that stuff expensive. They spent millions of dollars just to do one little section of loop 101 in Phx.
I really hope that AMP can reopen one of these days. Even with a sound limit, I'd rather run there than our other tracks. Rumor has it the owner is looking at building a similar track out in buckeye, but at the rate Phoenix is expanding, it will only be a few years before the same thing would happen again. People are such pansies.
Yeah, I've driven on a couple of those patches. The difference is amazing, but good lord is that stuff expensive. They spent millions of dollars just to do one little section of loop 101 in Phx.
I really hope that AMP can reopen one of these days. Even with a sound limit, I'd rather run there than our other tracks. Rumor has it the owner is looking at building a similar track out in buckeye, but at the rate Phoenix is expanding, it will only be a few years before the same thing would happen again. People are such pansies.
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (FlyZlow)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FlyZlow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yeah, I've driven on a couple of those patches. The difference is amazing, but good lord is that stuff expensive. They spent millions of dollars just to do one little section of loop 101 in Phx.
I really hope that AMP can reopen one of these days. Even with a sound limit, I'd rather run there than our other tracks. Rumor has it the owner is looking at building a similar track out in buckeye, but at the rate Phoenix is expanding, it will only be a few years before the same thing would happen again. People are such pansies.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah the rubberized asphalt is amazing.. They just did a good portion of the 202 also!
I wouldn't hold your breath for AMP.. I have heard som pretty neagtive stuff lately.
Wish they could get it open though.
Yeah, I've driven on a couple of those patches. The difference is amazing, but good lord is that stuff expensive. They spent millions of dollars just to do one little section of loop 101 in Phx.
I really hope that AMP can reopen one of these days. Even with a sound limit, I'd rather run there than our other tracks. Rumor has it the owner is looking at building a similar track out in buckeye, but at the rate Phoenix is expanding, it will only be a few years before the same thing would happen again. People are such pansies.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah the rubberized asphalt is amazing.. They just did a good portion of the 202 also!
I wouldn't hold your breath for AMP.. I have heard som pretty neagtive stuff lately.
Wish they could get it open though.
06-09-2006, 01:17 PM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (wildhorsesracing)
You need to make sure the local restaurants and hotels help out. They will be big losers if it gets shut down.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SMSP »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You need to make sure the local restaurants and hotels help out. They will be big losers if it gets shut down.</TD></TR></TABLE>
They tried to do the same thing at Beaverun.
The people complain about some noise but the businesses there are really profitable for the first time in years.
They tried to do the same thing at Beaverun.
The people complain about some noise but the businesses there are really profitable for the first time in years.
06-09-2006, 03:58 PM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (wildhorsesracing)
Damn, I live in Hall County. I'll look into this a little.
I wouldn't be too concerned with it though. 50 acres in that part of Hall county is peanuts for development, and a peanut developer going up against Don Panoz? That racetrack brings in real money to Hall county, and the commissioners aren't that stupid.
Also, I'm pretty familiar with Road Atlanta, and the area along the back straight, and turn 9 is already part of the track facility I think. I could be wrong about this though.
I wouldn't be too concerned with it though. 50 acres in that part of Hall county is peanuts for development, and a peanut developer going up against Don Panoz? That racetrack brings in real money to Hall county, and the commissioners aren't that stupid.
Also, I'm pretty familiar with Road Atlanta, and the area along the back straight, and turn 9 is already part of the track facility I think. I could be wrong about this though.
06-09-2006, 04:54 PM
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I did my part. Sent this this afternoon:
"Dear Hall County Commissioners;
It is my understanding that rezoning is being considered to allow a high denisty residential development, "Park at Riverside", adjacent to the Road Atlanta property in Hall county. I wish to express my concern for residential development near one of the best road racing circuits in the world. My concern is that residents will not fully understand that property near a race track is a horrible place for a residence until after they've moved in. Complaints to the commissioners will follow until you are forced to change the track's operating proceedures, or close the track entirely to accomodate residents. This would have a severe economic impact on the hotels and merchants in Hall County.
I'm certain you have a clear understanding of the economic impact that large spectator events at Road Atlanta have on Hall County and the surrounding businesses, but you may not have a grasp on the impact of numerous amateur racing events held at Road Atlanta almost every weekend. Most events draw at least 150 - 200 participants plus event workers, family and friends that spend their money in Hall County. I have traveled 275 miles each way from North Carolina to participate in events at Road Atlanta 3-4 times each year since 1990. I've spent an average of $300 per weekend in Hall county hotels, resturants, and convenience stores during each event.
Please understand the total impact your decision will have on employees of Road Atlanta, thousands of racers that support both the facility and Hall County business where we collectively spend upwards of $50,000 per weekend.
Thank you!
Allan Haggai – Amateur Road Racer"
PS - anyone stupid enough to build a home next to a fuggin' race track should be beaten slowly to death with a rubber hose!
(Guys, feel free to use parts of... or all of my letter if it helps you compose a letter to send to the commissioners)
"Dear Hall County Commissioners;
It is my understanding that rezoning is being considered to allow a high denisty residential development, "Park at Riverside", adjacent to the Road Atlanta property in Hall county. I wish to express my concern for residential development near one of the best road racing circuits in the world. My concern is that residents will not fully understand that property near a race track is a horrible place for a residence until after they've moved in. Complaints to the commissioners will follow until you are forced to change the track's operating proceedures, or close the track entirely to accomodate residents. This would have a severe economic impact on the hotels and merchants in Hall County.
I'm certain you have a clear understanding of the economic impact that large spectator events at Road Atlanta have on Hall County and the surrounding businesses, but you may not have a grasp on the impact of numerous amateur racing events held at Road Atlanta almost every weekend. Most events draw at least 150 - 200 participants plus event workers, family and friends that spend their money in Hall County. I have traveled 275 miles each way from North Carolina to participate in events at Road Atlanta 3-4 times each year since 1990. I've spent an average of $300 per weekend in Hall county hotels, resturants, and convenience stores during each event.
Please understand the total impact your decision will have on employees of Road Atlanta, thousands of racers that support both the facility and Hall County business where we collectively spend upwards of $50,000 per weekend.
Thank you!
Allan Haggai – Amateur Road Racer"
PS - anyone stupid enough to build a home next to a fuggin' race track should be beaten slowly to death with a rubber hose!
(Guys, feel free to use parts of... or all of my letter if it helps you compose a letter to send to the commissioners)
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">laguna's still in operation, but w/ crazy noise restrictions. I believe it's 92 dB for people who don't have tons of $$$$ to have the restriction lifted.</TD></TR></TABLE>
When I went to Laguna Seca, the noise DB limit was 90-
But STREET LEGAL IS 92!! Made no sense...
-Dennis
When I went to Laguna Seca, the noise DB limit was 90-
But STREET LEGAL IS 92!! Made no sense...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Evan55 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
See: Laguna Seca</TD></TR></TABLE>
See: Waerford hills
at waterford there is a constant fight between the track and the resident (many who moved in after the road course went in) over noise, traffic, etc, requiring a relativley low-budget track to constantly build bigger and more expensive sound walls, and strictly limiting the number of days per summer they are allowed to run any cars, much less race cars.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=...&om=1
See: Laguna Seca</TD></TR></TABLE>
See: Waerford hills
at waterford there is a constant fight between the track and the resident (many who moved in after the road course went in) over noise, traffic, etc, requiring a relativley low-budget track to constantly build bigger and more expensive sound walls, and strictly limiting the number of days per summer they are allowed to run any cars, much less race cars.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=...&om=1
06-10-2006, 09:58 AM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (FlyZlow)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FlyZlow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is exactly what happened to the best track in AZ (www.arizonamotorsportspark.com). You should take this seriously. It was a privately funded track that had all the zoning approvals and stuff before building. It was open for 2-3 years until several new developments went up around it. It wasn't long before people complained about the noise and traffic and voila!, the race track has been shutdown for over 2 years while the owner fights in court. Now we're stuck with our shitty drag strip track and our roval while a pristine, excellent road course sits dormant through years of litigation. It just defies reason that people would buy a house next to a race track, then complain about noise, but unfortunately they do.
Now, here's the real kicker. The race track literally backs up against an air force base, where they have jets taking off and landing constantly. Some of the residents there have even been trying (semi-successfully I've heard) to restrict the usage of the runways by the air force via noise complaints to the city council.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i was just gonna mention that.
i was on the front stretch at AMP and a f16 took off. my vision went blurry it was so loud yet they complain about car noises.
people are retarded
this is definatley a serious threat all you RA locals. id do what you can.
Now, here's the real kicker. The race track literally backs up against an air force base, where they have jets taking off and landing constantly. Some of the residents there have even been trying (semi-successfully I've heard) to restrict the usage of the runways by the air force via noise complaints to the city council.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i was just gonna mention that.
i was on the front stretch at AMP and a f16 took off. my vision went blurry it was so loud yet they complain about car noises.
people are retarded
this is definatley a serious threat all you RA locals. id do what you can.
06-12-2006, 03:58 AM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (Track rat)
Be afraid, very afraid.
It happened to East Windsor Speedway (local circle dirt track) in Jersey a few years back.
The track had been there 30 years then $600K homes were built in 1996 about a mile away. Guess what, no more track.
The good news for RA, this is happening in Georgia (a red state). If it was The Peoples Republic of Jersey the dirty politicians would have already closed Road Atlanta.
Good Luck and be VERY Vocal!!!!!!!
It happened to East Windsor Speedway (local circle dirt track) in Jersey a few years back.
The track had been there 30 years then $600K homes were built in 1996 about a mile away. Guess what, no more track.
The good news for RA, this is happening in Georgia (a red state). If it was The Peoples Republic of Jersey the dirty politicians would have already closed Road Atlanta.
Good Luck and be VERY Vocal!!!!!!!
06-12-2006, 01:19 PM
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Re: SAVE Road Atlanta! (JohnW)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JohnW »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Be afraid, very afraid.
It happened to East Windsor Speedway (local circle dirt track) in Jersey a few years back.
The track had been there 30 years then $600K homes were built in 1996 about a mile away. Guess what, no more track.
The good news for RA, this is happening in Georgia (a red state). If it was The Peoples Republic of Jersey the dirty politicians would have already closed Road Atlanta.
Good Luck and be VERY Vocal!!!!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Red or blue, the only pertinent color is GREEN.
It happened to East Windsor Speedway (local circle dirt track) in Jersey a few years back.
The track had been there 30 years then $600K homes were built in 1996 about a mile away. Guess what, no more track.
The good news for RA, this is happening in Georgia (a red state). If it was The Peoples Republic of Jersey the dirty politicians would have already closed Road Atlanta.
Good Luck and be VERY Vocal!!!!!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Red or blue, the only pertinent color is GREEN.