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Old 04-12-2006, 12:29 PM
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I have recently considered writing a racing short story/novella or maybe a movie script about a grassroots racer taking on the establishment in the context of a professional production based wheel to wheel racing series (a la SWC). Although the story might have some cliche elements, I wonder if there would be any interest, firstly among my peers here on HC and, more widely, whether it would be worth submitting to some movie people.

I'm talking a bit out of my *** here as I don't know any movie people here and have never written a script, but I would be doing this more for kicks than anything else. Now we've all seen a bunch of racing movies, from the excellent "Le Mans" to the lame "Driven" and a few in between... would the Fast and Furious crowd go see a movie about a guy (or girl) who takes on BMW and Audi in a swapped Honda on road courses accross North America? Would the success of such a movie generate interest in organized motorsports? I know I'm getting waaaay ahead of myself here, but I just wanted to gauge the reaction of my friends here on H-T. I do think that I would be capable of generating a story that would appeal to connaisseurs like us as well as to the masses. What do you think?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Civic44 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">would the Fast and Furious crowd go see a movie about a guy (or girl) who takes on BMW and Audi in a swapped Honda on road courses accross North America? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Here are my suggestions to make it a hit with the F&F set:

There will have to be a bunch of crashes mixed in with a few hot chicks and general asshattery

One of thye hot chicks should be the GF of the factory BMW/Audi driver, but she'll fall in love with the Honda kid because he's a little bit of a loose cannon.

The hero must have a crazy spiked haircut (that will be perfectly spiked after removing his helmet) and talk like he didn't finish the 3rd grade (y0!)

The factory drivers must be evil jock types who intentionally try to keep the kid down cause he drives a Honda. One race they gang up and run him off, another they poke a hole in his rad hose so he overheats just before the checker, then they finally get pissed off and cut a brake line and he must use his mad skillz to race for the win with only his e-brake.

The Honda must be fully body kitted out and running on 19's, practiality isn't important.

Finally Honda boy should win the final race and the girl. Woowoo


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Civic44 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Would the success of such a movie generate interest in organized motorsports?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes every rice boy in the nation will be lining up to do HPDEs to show off their mad skillz. This will in turn lead to people running each other off the road "juss like in dat movie yo". Tracks will not book HPDEs and we will all take up Golf
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Do it! I need more crap to watch on my TV. I mean it in a good way
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Vince,
I've been working on a racing book for what seems forever now, so can appreciate some of the things you'd encounter. To do it right, plan on a ton of time being spent on the project. If you're doing it for the right reasons (primarily for yourself and for others to enjoy and not for the money), it will be worth it.

Maybe a cool idea would be to produce a move about club racing and many of the behind the scenes stuff. Not quite the glamor, I know. But there could be a market for something like that.

When I joined NASA, I received this silly DVD that wasn't exactly the best video. But if there were a good movie and had a good story line too, now that would be cool!

Start taking notes down and see how things go. Break apart the project into small segments otherwise it'll seem way too big. Best of luck and have fun with it!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Here are my suggestions to make it a hit with the F&F set:

There will have to be a bunch of crashes mixed in with a few hot chicks and general asshattery

One of thye hot chicks should be the GF of the factory BMW/Audi driver, but she'll fall in love with the Honda kid because he's a little bit of a loose cannon.

The hero must have a crazy spiked haircut (that will be perfectly spiked after removing his helmet) and talk like he didn't finish the 3rd grade (y0!)

The factory drivers must be evil jock types who intentionally try to keep the kid down cause he drives a Honda. One race they gang up and run him off, another they poke a hole in his rad hose so he overheats just before the checker, then they finally get pissed off and cut a brake line and he must use his mad skillz to race for the win with only his e-brake.

The Honda must be fully body kitted out and running on 19's, practiality isn't important.

Finally Honda boy should win the final race and the girl. Woowoo


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Yeah, kind of like the movie RAD but with cars!



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I'd watch it if it had a musical montage that showed them building the car and driving better. Model it on Rocky IV, and it'll be a hit.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by granracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Vince,
I've been working on a racing book for what seems forever now, so can appreciate some of the things you'd encounter. To do it right, plan on a ton of time being spent on the project. If you're doing it for the right reasons (primarily for yourself and for others to enjoy and not for the money), it will be worth it.

Maybe a cool idea would be to produce a move about club racing and many of the behind the scenes stuff. Not quite the glamor, I know. But there could be a market for something like that.

When I joined NASA, I received this silly DVD that wasn't exactly the best video. But if there were a good movie and had a good story line too, now that would be cool!

Start taking notes down and see how things go. Break apart the project into small segments otherwise it'll seem way too big. Best of luck and have fun with it! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the advice. I've been thinking about an outline and the likes. If I go through with it, 'll start with notes as you suggest and see where it goes from there...
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I wish someone would do a racing movie 'right'. It hasn't been done 'right' since the 1960s.

The sad fact is that there aren't enough of 'us' to support it. An asshat movie like the 'Driven' brings in more cash than an accurate racing movie would. We are way out numbered by idiots willing to pay $8.00 to see crap.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonsense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Here are my suggestions to make it a hit with the F&F set:

There will have to be a bunch of crashes mixed in with a few hot chicks and general asshattery

One of thye hot chicks should be the GF of the factory BMW/Audi driver, but she'll fall in love with the Honda kid because he's a little bit of a loose cannon.

The hero must have a crazy spiked haircut (that will be perfectly spiked after removing his helmet) and talk like he didn't finish the 3rd grade (y0!)

The factory drivers must be evil jock types who intentionally try to keep the kid down cause he drives a Honda. One race they gang up and run him off, another they poke a hole in his rad hose so he overheats just before the checker, then they finally get pissed off and cut a brake line and he must use his mad skillz to race for the win with only his e-brake.

The Honda must be fully body kitted out and running on 19's, practiality isn't important.

Finally Honda boy should win the final race and the girl. Woowoo


Yes every rice boy in the nation will be lining up to do HPDEs to show off their mad skillz. This will in turn lead to people running each other off the road "juss like in dat movie yo". Tracks will not book HPDEs and we will all take up Golf </TD></TR></TABLE>

Now thats funny
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I remember watching an interview with Sly when he was doing the press rounds for Driven (IMO, the worst movie ever) Leno said something about the crashes, making fun of it, and Sly said, "Well, it's hollywood, we have to do something or no-one will watch it."

This is the issue with making a good racing movie I think.. millions of us DO watch it with no Hollywood enhancement. For those that don't already follow racing, the hollywood garbage that makes it in just reinforces their thoughts that racing is a bunch of hotheadredneckborderlinetrekkiautogeek types, and they still don't go see it.. so the movies fail.

Raicng doesn't need crashes to make it exciting, it can be helped by an underdog story but seeing someone become an overdog can be fun as well. (Earnhardt and Penske never seem to have a shortage of fans)

Want to make a good racing movie.. first find a good story. Then just put it in the midst of some motorsports. (Lets say a homosexual black driver overcoming all of societies prejudices, and throw in 4 or 5 motorsports scenes so it can be a "racing" movie.. Ebert and Roeper give it two-thumbs up and call it "Philidelphia at 200mph")

I guess what makes it so hard to find that story is we have seen them, in real life, and don't need the movies to live it.

Young engineer heads south with a car on a trailer to live his dream and succeeds, only to be killed in the midst of his championship reign. (Kulwicki 1992)

Driver has a horrifying crash and a few months later climbs in to sit on the front row/win Indy. (Foyt 1991, Lazier 1996)

Teammate rivalries where they crash each other out, champions falling and underdogs winning... the list goes on..

I hope someone can find a story that captures that essence of motorsport. Untill then, I hope I don't see another one.

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Oddly enough, that ESPN Dale Earnhardt movie is probably the best racing movie to come out in my lifetime.

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Oddly enough, that ESPN Dale Earnhardt movie is probably the best racing movie to come out in my lifetime.

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Yeah, I forgot about that one. I was nicely done .
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Track rat &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wish someone would do a racing movie 'right'. It hasn't been done 'right' since the 1960s.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Haven't seen Faster, Dust 2 Glory, or The World's Fastest Indian eh?

IMO if you wanna do a movie about racing it has to be about one of the best periods, best rivalries, and best personalities. For cars you've gotta do Senna vs Prost. Bikes, Rainey vs Schwantz. A subject that has a lot of depth and action to build on.

World Challenge is cool, but I would do a F1 or motorcycle racing movie before that.
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For whatever reson most bike movies usually come out pretty damn good but I have yet to see a car movie that I haven't felt embarassed to watch.
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Special Projects was aproached by a TV Production company just before the filming of the Final of the 2005 HONDA CUP recently aired by Redline TV.
I'm currently producing a TV Show based around the build up of a "New car" and competition in a Touring car series/s - Probably Honda Cup.
Of course this will attract new members when people realize there is a chance of getting some TV footage! I'm working on the Story Boards now and we already have some great Sponsors and a Car/s lined up.

It will cover all facets, trials and tribulations of Touring car racing at an Amatuer level. Car construction, Sponsorship, opposition teams, personalities etc. etc. And of course racing. It will probably cover a lot of the things you have suggested.
This show may be a one time thing? Or it might become a series like "Unique Whips" "Chop Cut Rebuild" or similar. The important thing is that this show will be entertaining, informative, and not just another boring look at the usual "Bling" and T&A!
Prep & filming will start in a few weeks when we move into our new Building in the City of Orange CA. And will begin to get serious around October/November with the car/s on display at SEMA.

Sounds like you have a good idea, pm me and we can perhaps compare notes.

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Haven't seen Faster, Dust 2 Glory, or The World's Fastest Indian eh?

IMO if you wanna do a movie about racing it has to be about one of the best periods, best rivalries, and best personalities. For cars you've gotta do Senna vs Prost. Bikes, Rainey vs Schwantz. A subject that has a lot of depth and action to build on.

World Challenge is cool, but I would do a F1 or motorcycle racing movie before that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Faster is a great movie and would be a perfect style for this type of movie. I think it would be great to see a documentary style movie about SWC or even club racing. If anyone here hasn't seen Faster, I recommend renting it some time. It really is good.

Kiwi,

Is that fat guy with the S2000 going to be on your show? The one who talked so much crap about FWD cars, then while getting rolled by them lost his wheel and ended up in the weeds? He's so cool
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Kiwi,
Is that fat guy with the S2000 going to be on your show? The one who talked so much crap about FWD cars, then while getting rolled by them lost his wheel and ended up in the weeds? He's so cool </TD></TR></TABLE>


LOL Actually yes, There is a pretty good chance that Marty will be on it some where. As I said, It will cover a cross section of Racers, Personalities, Cars, constructors and Touring car racing. Obviously Marty's comments on the Red Line show sure attracted attention... And there is no such thing as "Bad Ink"
But the Karmah was pretty cool huh?

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Le Mans &gt; *

Steve McQueen was a true badass.
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They should do a movie about Zanardi, but I'm not aware of any good Italian actors that could play him.
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I was thinking the Zanardi story too. I think they could get a relatively unknown home grown Italian actor to play the part. The accent will be natural.

I think the underdog story is too cliche, unless it has some unexpected twists to it. An exciting documentary with great in and out of car footage would be something I would go see, but as mentioned above, may not something the general movie crowd would go see.
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Vince,

You need to write a good story, and set it in racing. If you try to write a story ABOUT racing it will pretty much suck (based on what others have accomplished over the years with that formula). Figure out the point of the story first, then worry about throwing in the SWC....

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Interesting suggestions, as I expected. I'll think on all this...
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There's such a thing as bad television though I guess the whole "reality TV" thing is based on conflict and negativity. People seem to like watching it and it seems that the producers try to spin some sort of conflict in there even when there's really not any.

You can do the whole American Chopper/American Hot Rod theme. You can yell and scream at your employees to get stuff done cause you only have 1 week to re-build a race car before the next Honda-Cup race. Then you guys get into a shouting match, throw stuff and slam doors. People never seem to get tired of that stuff.
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