The Official Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
12-15-2021, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Dieter Rencken
Mercedes has refused to take part in an official FIA photoshoot commemorating the constructors champions of 2021 as the team considers whether to appeal the results of last weekend’s Formula 1 title-deciding Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
Since issuing that notification on Sunday the F1 team has gone silent. No official material has been distributed to the press and its main social media accounts have not been updated.
Since issuing that notification on Sunday the F1 team has gone silent. No official material has been distributed to the press and its main social media accounts have not been updated.
12-15-2021, 05:40 AM
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Since issuing that notification on Sunday the F1 team has gone silent. No official material has been distributed to the press and its main social media accounts have not been updated.
12-15-2021, 05:52 AM
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The end of the race was a like a game of poker. Merc and Red Bull had to make a call based on the situation on the odds of whether or not the race would end under yellow or not. Merc put all their chips on yellow flag finish and lost the bet. Red Bull had nothing to lose so they went all in on a green flag finish and won.
Merc could have pitted and put Lewis on fresh rubber but obviously would have been screwed if the race ended under yellow, but with a green flag finish, I think Lewis would have been able to overtake Max, but we'll never know.
Of course it sucks for Merc, and Lewis had that race in the bag, but as Murray Walker once said, "anything can happen in grand prix racing, and it usually does"
I don't feel that bad for them, they still won the WCC which is more important. I don't blame them for protesting and trying everything they can within their power to appeal, even if its a bad look.
Merc could have pitted and put Lewis on fresh rubber but obviously would have been screwed if the race ended under yellow, but with a green flag finish, I think Lewis would have been able to overtake Max, but we'll never know.
Of course it sucks for Merc, and Lewis had that race in the bag, but as Murray Walker once said, "anything can happen in grand prix racing, and it usually does"
I don't feel that bad for them, they still won the WCC which is more important. I don't blame them for protesting and trying everything they can within their power to appeal, even if its a bad look.
12-15-2021, 05:57 AM
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a game of poker with new rules created on the fly. which, apparently, is in the rules.
Merc didn't bet on a SC finish. They bet on the rules indicating they'd have a SC finish or backmarkers between HAM and VER. There is no scenario where you'd give up track position in this case.
Merc didn't bet on a SC finish. They bet on the rules indicating they'd have a SC finish or backmarkers between HAM and VER. There is no scenario where you'd give up track position in this case.
12-15-2021, 06:04 AM
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According to Masi, prior to the race, he said the team bosses said they would not want the race to end behind the safety car if at all possible. I think based on that, he did everything he could to have that happen.
12-15-2021, 06:09 AM
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12-15-2021, 06:16 AM
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then why unlap only cars between HAM and VER? for the show? can you imagine how awesome it would have been to have SAI right up there?
12-15-2021, 06:25 AM
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until they changed the rules.
12-15-2021, 06:26 AM
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Yes. They ran out of time to have everyone unlap, the race would have finished under SC. They've been over this many times. They fucked up, nothing we can do to change it now.
Going forward if there's a SC within x laps they need to agree to red flag and restart, or add extra laps ala NASCAR to get a green/checker finish.
Going forward if there's a SC within x laps they need to agree to red flag and restart, or add extra laps ala NASCAR to get a green/checker finish.
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12-15-2021, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mika Hakkinen
Was Race Director Michael Masi right to speed up the end of the Safety Car period, letting the cars between Max and Lewis unlap themselves and setting up a race over one lap? I think it would have been much worse if this World Championship had finished behind a Safety Car. That really would have been such an anti-climax.
The Race Director’s decision, later supported by the four Stewards, is based on his understanding of the rules including his responsibility for deciding when the Safety Car returns to the pits. Balancing decisions between ensuring safety and promoting racing is the toughest job facing the Race Director. Looking at the result, in terms of safety and promoting racing, Michael did his job.
If Mercedes decides to protest the result of the race, and the World Championship for Drivers, the decisions which were made and the way the rules were applied will be examined in detail. I don’t believe the results will change.
The Race Director’s decision, later supported by the four Stewards, is based on his understanding of the rules including his responsibility for deciding when the Safety Car returns to the pits. Balancing decisions between ensuring safety and promoting racing is the toughest job facing the Race Director. Looking at the result, in terms of safety and promoting racing, Michael did his job.
If Mercedes decides to protest the result of the race, and the World Championship for Drivers, the decisions which were made and the way the rules were applied will be examined in detail. I don’t believe the results will change.
12-15-2021, 06:43 AM
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tyre allocations, fuel limits, engine/gearbox durability. the max race distance is set in stone unless Masi decides to change it.
Didn't realize you were such a HAMfosi
12-15-2021, 06:58 AM
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Not sure if anyone answered yet! Lewis changed his starting procedure in holding his clutch paddle in this manner. Apparently it helps him release/work the paddle better to his preference.
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12-15-2021, 06:59 AM
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I still have a ton of feelings about what I watched on Sunday.
Also, do we have a source on this? I'd love to read it.
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12-15-2021, 09:34 AM
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Jolyon Palmer suggests Valtteri Bottas cost Lewis Hamilton the World Championship (planetf1.com)
12-15-2021, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile
The circumstances surrounding the use of the Safety Car following the incident of driver Nicholas Latifi, and the related communications between the FIA Race Direction team and the Formula 1 teams, have notably generated significant misunderstanding and reactions from Formula 1 teams, drivers and fans, an argument that is currently tarnishing the image of the Championship and the due celebration of the first Drivers' World Championship title won by Max Verstappen and the eighth consecutive Constructors' World Championship title won by Mercedes.
Following the presentation of a report regarding the sequence of events that took place following the incident on Lap 53 of the Grand Prix and in a constant drive for improvement, the FIA President proposed to the World Motor Sport Council that a detailed analysis and clarification exercise for the future with all relevant parties will now take place.
Following the presentation of a report regarding the sequence of events that took place following the incident on Lap 53 of the Grand Prix and in a constant drive for improvement, the FIA President proposed to the World Motor Sport Council that a detailed analysis and clarification exercise for the future with all relevant parties will now take place.
12-16-2021, 04:17 AM
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eh, the rule thing really gets me. the whole reason sports are so popular is that they are a contest played out within a framework. (unlike real life which is often unfair.) at the end of the event everyone (usually) goes home with the understanding that a contest was held and winners and losers were declared, and it makes sense why.
even when luck is involved, people accept things like safety cars happen, and it favors one driver over another, and for many possible reasons the fastest car/driver doesn't win. this is luck. this is chance. things like the timing of the safety car has been questioned in the past, because when it is declared can cause a lead car can miss the pit entry. but even in these cases, there is plausible deniability for the race director. he's doing his job. he's managing the race. but Sunday was a step beyond...
imagine Max led the whole race until the safety car, and HAM wins the race on a last-lap pass in the exact same scenario. do you expect fans to go, 'ah well, that's racing! Congrats to HAM earning his 8x WDC even though he wasn't in the faster car, and hat's off to the FIA for a fantastic '21 season, including that new rule that allowed HAM to win on the last lap once more!'
Masi "touched the 3rd rail" here, at least among the F1 fans that have been watching since before DTS first aired on Netflix. The FIA knows it.
but anyways. Merc withdrew their appeal as expected. the show must go on
even when luck is involved, people accept things like safety cars happen, and it favors one driver over another, and for many possible reasons the fastest car/driver doesn't win. this is luck. this is chance. things like the timing of the safety car has been questioned in the past, because when it is declared can cause a lead car can miss the pit entry. but even in these cases, there is plausible deniability for the race director. he's doing his job. he's managing the race. but Sunday was a step beyond...
imagine Max led the whole race until the safety car, and HAM wins the race on a last-lap pass in the exact same scenario. do you expect fans to go, 'ah well, that's racing! Congrats to HAM earning his 8x WDC even though he wasn't in the faster car, and hat's off to the FIA for a fantastic '21 season, including that new rule that allowed HAM to win on the last lap once more!'
Masi "touched the 3rd rail" here, at least among the F1 fans that have been watching since before DTS first aired on Netflix. The FIA knows it.
but anyways. Merc withdrew their appeal as expected. the show must go on
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12-16-2021, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Noble
The FIA blaming the Abu Dhabi GP fallout on fans, teams and media ‘misunderstanding’ the situation is a little baffling. If anything it shows a clear misunderstanding of why it is such a big issue for Formula 1’s integrity.
12-16-2021, 04:23 AM
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HAM and Toto will not attend F1's prize gala tonight. James Allison will receive the constructor's trophy for the team.
Hamilton's absence from the event is a breach of F1's sporting regulations. We'll see if Masi refers it to the stewards or not.
Hamilton's absence from the event is a breach of F1's sporting regulations. We'll see if Masi refers it to the stewards or not.