The Official Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
12-12-2021, 06:27 AM
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Professional sports haha no its entertainment!
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12-12-2021, 06:29 AM
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Originally Posted by falcongsr
only letting some cars unlap isn't sitting well with me. i think this is more spectacle than sport and i didn't feel that way until these last few races.
i thought they would red flag it to reset the order and give us a four lap battle
i thought they would red flag it to reset the order and give us a four lap battle
Either way, good to finally have a new world champion, first in 5 years. Will raise the stakes for their future battles.
12-12-2021, 06:33 AM
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
nah. this is sim racing now. divebombs are ok as long as you stay on track. with the halo the risk of death is so low that it's no problem.
i was waiting for PER to start tossing banana peels out the cockpit when he was weaving.
i was waiting for PER to start tossing banana peels out the cockpit when he was weaving.
12-12-2021, 06:44 AM
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
12-12-2021, 06:57 AM
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Mercedes have protested "against the classification established at the end of the Competition", relating to alleged breaches of Articles 48.8 and 48.12 of the FIA Sporting Regulations
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12-12-2021, 02:35 PM
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Why HAM not protecting the inside line into the corners? Did the risk of contact taking both drivers out basically give VER the green light to elbows out every single opportunity?
12-12-2021, 03:42 PM
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
On a side note, in the replay of the start, i saw HAM's left hand holding on top of the left side steering wheel until he changed maybe to 2nd or 3rd gear.
Why is that so?
Why is that so?
12-13-2021, 02:58 AM
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Originally Posted by Jonathan Noble
This interpretation of certain regulations overruling others – and of the race director having complete free reign over the safety car and other aspects of the race weekend – could set an alarming precedent for the future.
This carte blanche approach from the stewards in handing power to the race director means that there is potential for races to be influenced even more by the decisions of the regulator in ways that are not laid down in the rulebook.
Such a concern comes off the back of unease within the F1 paddock about the FIA playing fast and loose with decisions this year, such as the 'play on' mentality of incidents like Verstappen/Hamilton in Brazil or yellow flags being withdrawn quickly in qualifying if cars run off track.
Furthermore, a lack of consistency over penalties this year, allied to confusion from drivers about racing rules, has led to discomfort about the role race control is having in deciding the outcomes of races.
Instead, F1 heads into a winter now facing the prospect of an Appeal Court hearing, and, on what should have been grand prix racing's greatest day, accusations from the public that the championship is rigged.
If the desire to get the race finished under green was so important, then it could have been done in a much fairer and more transparent way with a red flag and then a complete fresh restart.
With both Hamilton and Verstappen allowed to start on fresh tyres, a simple shoot out over one or more laps would have left the competition being decided on track on equal terms – with no outside interference.
It would have been edge-of-your seat entertainment, and would have marked a spectacular end to an amazing season.
This carte blanche approach from the stewards in handing power to the race director means that there is potential for races to be influenced even more by the decisions of the regulator in ways that are not laid down in the rulebook.
Such a concern comes off the back of unease within the F1 paddock about the FIA playing fast and loose with decisions this year, such as the 'play on' mentality of incidents like Verstappen/Hamilton in Brazil or yellow flags being withdrawn quickly in qualifying if cars run off track.
Furthermore, a lack of consistency over penalties this year, allied to confusion from drivers about racing rules, has led to discomfort about the role race control is having in deciding the outcomes of races.
Instead, F1 heads into a winter now facing the prospect of an Appeal Court hearing, and, on what should have been grand prix racing's greatest day, accusations from the public that the championship is rigged.
If the desire to get the race finished under green was so important, then it could have been done in a much fairer and more transparent way with a red flag and then a complete fresh restart.
With both Hamilton and Verstappen allowed to start on fresh tyres, a simple shoot out over one or more laps would have left the competition being decided on track on equal terms – with no outside interference.
It would have been edge-of-your seat entertainment, and would have marked a spectacular end to an amazing season.
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12-13-2021, 05:36 AM
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Agreed. Should have been red flagged. I imagine that will be the rule going forward. If there's a safety car in the last, say 10 laps, red flag it and do a standing start.
12-14-2021, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex Kalinauckas
There is a pervading sense that things have just been made up as situations arise and that F1’s extensive sporting rulebook is now pretty pointless if one regulation can apparently supersede another and the race director can overrule rules if he deems it necessary. F1’s rules simply do not seem equipped to cover what happened last Sunday and that isn’t a good thing. Drivers are confused. So are fans and that has contributed to the horrendous toxicity that has surrounded this amazing campaign. And it’s pretty significant that even Red Bull thinks “the whole system needs to be rethought” for “consistency”, per its motorsport advisor, Helmut Marko.
There is a real problem in how the lapped cars were allowed to overtake and how the FIA essentially cleared Masi’s call afterwards. The next stage for this saga would be for an FIA International Court of Appeal hearing, but it could yet go beyond that to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. That would be massive.
There is a real problem in how the lapped cars were allowed to overtake and how the FIA essentially cleared Masi’s call afterwards. The next stage for this saga would be for an FIA International Court of Appeal hearing, but it could yet go beyond that to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. That would be massive.
12-14-2021, 10:37 AM
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
“I thought the IndyCar was fast and… my eyes… it was just crazy, man, I don’t know what else to say. Since the first lap, as soon as I went out, I felt the power and the grip, the braking. The thing does whatever you want it to do.
“When you take it to the limit it might not be doing certain things you want it to do a bit better, but whenever you start tweaking it here and there, there’s so many things to help you get a better balance on what you currently might have or whatever. But, man, wow. Like, insane. What a great experience, and what a car!
“This is the best experience I’ve ever had in a race car in my life. I don’t think anything has come close to it in terms of driving, in terms of feeling what it’s capable of, in feeling its limits, nothing comes close to it. The feeling for example an IndyCar gives you is crazy, but you get into this and just the way it’s able to do everything so fast, and everything is so compressed, it’s like a video game. It’s unreal.
“I have to say to extract the last bit of it for sure it takes a lot more commitment with the car. I didn’t get to the limit in certain areas, I did in others. It’s normal, it’ll take time to build what it’s capable of and not go over the limit. I didn’t want to go ‘you know I’ve got big *****, let me just send it’ and end up in the wall.”
O’Ward did get time to run the softest tire compounds on low fuel late on Tuesday and ended up fourth overall – less than 0.1s off Liam Lawson in second place – but says his fitness is what cost him a quicker lap time.
“I’m a bit annoyed, as I know I had a bit more pace than what I ended with, at least with the soft, putting a lap together. I got a pretty solid one with mediums, the C4, but with the C5 I did three flyers but I did my best sectors on different laps so I didn’t get one lap of putting everything together, which I know would come with time and knowing the car and tires a bit more.
“It just feels so good! The change of direction, the downforce, the stopping power – it’s unlike anything. Nothing I’ve driven comes close to this. Not even a hint. It is unbelievable. So cool.
“Honestly,at the end of the day, another part where I didn’t get everything together on one lap is, I was about to lose my head. Man, my neck is destroyed. In the morning I got to a good point, but then we did some race running before we did some qualifying runs at the end, and as soon as we put the softs on and we went through the fast corners my head was about to (give up).
“The issue for me – and I know where I lost some time – is the corners where you’re limited by neck strength, which I knew was going to be a problem, at least at the end of the day, as it’s completely different to what’s available to drive out there. So my last few laps were definitely… I was like looking down with my eyes up, trying to see where I was going at 180mph, looking straight down in Turn 9!”
“When you take it to the limit it might not be doing certain things you want it to do a bit better, but whenever you start tweaking it here and there, there’s so many things to help you get a better balance on what you currently might have or whatever. But, man, wow. Like, insane. What a great experience, and what a car!
“This is the best experience I’ve ever had in a race car in my life. I don’t think anything has come close to it in terms of driving, in terms of feeling what it’s capable of, in feeling its limits, nothing comes close to it. The feeling for example an IndyCar gives you is crazy, but you get into this and just the way it’s able to do everything so fast, and everything is so compressed, it’s like a video game. It’s unreal.
“I have to say to extract the last bit of it for sure it takes a lot more commitment with the car. I didn’t get to the limit in certain areas, I did in others. It’s normal, it’ll take time to build what it’s capable of and not go over the limit. I didn’t want to go ‘you know I’ve got big *****, let me just send it’ and end up in the wall.”
O’Ward did get time to run the softest tire compounds on low fuel late on Tuesday and ended up fourth overall – less than 0.1s off Liam Lawson in second place – but says his fitness is what cost him a quicker lap time.
“I’m a bit annoyed, as I know I had a bit more pace than what I ended with, at least with the soft, putting a lap together. I got a pretty solid one with mediums, the C4, but with the C5 I did three flyers but I did my best sectors on different laps so I didn’t get one lap of putting everything together, which I know would come with time and knowing the car and tires a bit more.
“It just feels so good! The change of direction, the downforce, the stopping power – it’s unlike anything. Nothing I’ve driven comes close to this. Not even a hint. It is unbelievable. So cool.
“Honestly,at the end of the day, another part where I didn’t get everything together on one lap is, I was about to lose my head. Man, my neck is destroyed. In the morning I got to a good point, but then we did some race running before we did some qualifying runs at the end, and as soon as we put the softs on and we went through the fast corners my head was about to (give up).
“The issue for me – and I know where I lost some time – is the corners where you’re limited by neck strength, which I knew was going to be a problem, at least at the end of the day, as it’s completely different to what’s available to drive out there. So my last few laps were definitely… I was like looking down with my eyes up, trying to see where I was going at 180mph, looking straight down in Turn 9!”
12-14-2021, 10:44 AM
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
“I thought the IndyCar was fast and… my eyes… it was just crazy, man, I don’t know what else to say. Since the first lap, as soon as I went out, I felt the power and the grip, the braking. The thing does whatever you want it to do.
“When you take it to the limit it might not be doing certain things you want it to do a bit better, but whenever you start tweaking it here and there, there’s so many things to help you get a better balance on what you currently might have or whatever. But, man, wow. Like, insane. What a great experience, and what a car!
“This is the best experience I’ve ever had in a race car in my life. I don’t think anything has come close to it in terms of driving, in terms of feeling what it’s capable of, in feeling its limits, nothing comes close to it. The feeling for example an IndyCar gives you is crazy, but you get into this and just the way it’s able to do everything so fast, and everything is so compressed, it’s like a video game. It’s unreal.
“I have to say to extract the last bit of it for sure it takes a lot more commitment with the car. I didn’t get to the limit in certain areas, I did in others. It’s normal, it’ll take time to build what it’s capable of and not go over the limit. I didn’t want to go ‘you know I’ve got big *****, let me just send it’ and end up in the wall.”
O’Ward did get time to run the softest tire compounds on low fuel late on Tuesday and ended up fourth overall – less than 0.1s off Liam Lawson in second place – but says his fitness is what cost him a quicker lap time.
“I’m a bit annoyed, as I know I had a bit more pace than what I ended with, at least with the soft, putting a lap together. I got a pretty solid one with mediums, the C4, but with the C5 I did three flyers but I did my best sectors on different laps so I didn’t get one lap of putting everything together, which I know would come with time and knowing the car and tires a bit more.
“It just feels so good! The change of direction, the downforce, the stopping power – it’s unlike anything. Nothing I’ve driven comes close to this. Not even a hint. It is unbelievable. So cool.
“Honestly,at the end of the day, another part where I didn’t get everything together on one lap is, I was about to lose my head. Man, my neck is destroyed. In the morning I got to a good point, but then we did some race running before we did some qualifying runs at the end, and as soon as we put the softs on and we went through the fast corners my head was about to (give up).
“The issue for me – and I know where I lost some time – is the corners where you’re limited by neck strength, which I knew was going to be a problem, at least at the end of the day, as it’s completely different to what’s available to drive out there. So my last few laps were definitely… I was like looking down with my eyes up, trying to see where I was going at 180mph, looking straight down in Turn 9!”
“When you take it to the limit it might not be doing certain things you want it to do a bit better, but whenever you start tweaking it here and there, there’s so many things to help you get a better balance on what you currently might have or whatever. But, man, wow. Like, insane. What a great experience, and what a car!
“This is the best experience I’ve ever had in a race car in my life. I don’t think anything has come close to it in terms of driving, in terms of feeling what it’s capable of, in feeling its limits, nothing comes close to it. The feeling for example an IndyCar gives you is crazy, but you get into this and just the way it’s able to do everything so fast, and everything is so compressed, it’s like a video game. It’s unreal.
“I have to say to extract the last bit of it for sure it takes a lot more commitment with the car. I didn’t get to the limit in certain areas, I did in others. It’s normal, it’ll take time to build what it’s capable of and not go over the limit. I didn’t want to go ‘you know I’ve got big *****, let me just send it’ and end up in the wall.”
O’Ward did get time to run the softest tire compounds on low fuel late on Tuesday and ended up fourth overall – less than 0.1s off Liam Lawson in second place – but says his fitness is what cost him a quicker lap time.
“I’m a bit annoyed, as I know I had a bit more pace than what I ended with, at least with the soft, putting a lap together. I got a pretty solid one with mediums, the C4, but with the C5 I did three flyers but I did my best sectors on different laps so I didn’t get one lap of putting everything together, which I know would come with time and knowing the car and tires a bit more.
“It just feels so good! The change of direction, the downforce, the stopping power – it’s unlike anything. Nothing I’ve driven comes close to this. Not even a hint. It is unbelievable. So cool.
“Honestly,at the end of the day, another part where I didn’t get everything together on one lap is, I was about to lose my head. Man, my neck is destroyed. In the morning I got to a good point, but then we did some race running before we did some qualifying runs at the end, and as soon as we put the softs on and we went through the fast corners my head was about to (give up).
“The issue for me – and I know where I lost some time – is the corners where you’re limited by neck strength, which I knew was going to be a problem, at least at the end of the day, as it’s completely different to what’s available to drive out there. So my last few laps were definitely… I was like looking down with my eyes up, trying to see where I was going at 180mph, looking straight down in Turn 9!”
12-14-2021, 10:45 AM
#823
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12-14-2021, 11:23 AM
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Re: The Official Formula 1 2021 Season Thread
Originally Posted by Joe Saward
It wasn’t fair perhaps, but it was within the rules. Live sport has a habit of creating such insane situations and referees have to deal with them. Masi did nothing wrong. He used the powers he has to do what he felt was best was the World Championship. What happened was no-one’s fault. Max was lucky. Lewis was not. I never want to hear Max complain again that the FIA has got it in for him, and I want Christian Horner to learn a lot about stewarding when he attends the FIA Stewards event later this winter. Lewis took his defeat with grace and style. Toto and his cohorts reacted as one would expect them to react, but is appealing the various decisions going to help F1? No, probably not. It was the sporting gods having their say. Losing with grace is better than losing with lawyers. But I feel their pain. It wasn’t fair and it wasn’t right, but it was the way the rules are.
He insists it is in the rules. I reviewed Article 15.3, but I don't see it. But after the FIA protest ruling, Mercedes has no basis to continue the challenge, the race director can do whatever they want to ensure safety, or spice up the show.
Last edited by falcongsr; 12-14-2021 at 12:25 PM.
