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Old 11-26-2014, 03:28 PM
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And your outfit today looks nice Reyes.
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Everyone have a safe and very Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!
you too, our most mature one
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The Red Bull has an interesting bulge in the side plates.

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Everyone have a safe and very Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!
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good point. i figured the team wanted a DNF instead of a 14th place finish.
So much this.
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Spoiler: Alonso is the best.
Second spoiler: lots of math/statistics.

EXCELLENT reading (if you can stomach Gaussian distributions and the like).

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014...iver-rankings/
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Moar Alonso slurpage:

It’s important to understand that changes to the sport are not so slow and progressive as we sometimes think. Starting from the subject of tyres, it’s interesting to examine the way Fernando Alonso took maximum use of his 2005 and 2006 tyres, to gain an advantage not only against his team-mate Giancarlo Fisichella, but to the rest of the opposition as well. The Renault F1 cars of that time had very particular characteristics, such as a rearwards weight balance which gave to the car very good traction out of the corners. More importantly, Renault, in collaboration with Michelin, had developed a suspension tailor-made to the very specific characteristics of the Michelin tyres.

Michelin, by the end of 2003, already had a better tyre than Bridgestone, with a more square profile that offered a significant wider contact patch, and more grip. The, let’s say, disadvantage of that philosophy was that the grip was not very progressive – especially in slow to medium corners there was a “bite” point for the front tyres that offered higher grip in comparison to Bridgestone, but was arguably harder to switch on. Also, the squarer profile meant that turbulent air coming from the tyre was more disruptive to the car’s aerodynamics. Bridgestone, on the contrary, traditionally had a much rounder tyre, which was a result of years of evolution in collaboration with Ferrari, with a view on minimizing the aero effect of the spinning wheel to the rest of the car. Although Ferrari tended to struggle in tracks with predominant mechanical grip (such as Monaco, Hungary and Monza), this was definitely a successful recipe as evidenced by the 5 WDC’s and 6 WCC’s between 1999 and 2004.

The different tyre philosophy of Michelin gave their teams an opportunity, i.e. an area of development that Ferrari couldn’t tap into. The first and only team to take advantage of that to the maximum degree was Renault. Flashes of the brilliance of the Michelin – Renault combination was evidenced as far back as 2003 (with Alonso’s stunning Hungary victory in which he lapped Michael Schumacher) and their 2004 domination of the Monaco grand prix, amongst others. It was just a matter of time for Renault to catch up with Ferrari on the aerodynamics department (i.e. minimize the disruptive effect of their square tyres), and this happened in 2005 and 2006. We must not underestimate the effect that the ban on tyre-changes during the race had on this overhaul of the F1 pecking order, because Ferrari and Bridgestone struggled massively in 2005 with tyres that had to last a race distance.

Fernando Alonso was the Renault driver who took maximum advantage of the Michelin tyres, and one can see the evolution of his driving style from 2003 and during 2004, working towards the perfection that of 2005 and 2006. It was fascinating stuff, watching a driver adapt to a tyre characteristic from one season to the next – a sign of brilliant skill and dogged determination. But let’s take a break here, and see an example of what we are talking about, to get a visual understanding:


As we can see in the above video clip, the first glimpses of Alonso’s trademark driving style are there (2003), however there some significant ingredients missing, like rear end grip and aerodynamic downforce coming from the car, and even Alonso himself is a bit hesitant in some corners, as if he’s lacking confidence on how the car is going to react. Let us compare what we saw with the following lap from 2005, and do some analysis:


As you can see, Alonso uses a lot of initial steering lock, causing understeer during corner entry. This kind of understeer is not coming from the car so much, as it is induced by Alonso on purpose. He uses an extreme slip angle (i.e. in layman’s terms, the difference between where the tyre is pointed and the car’s trajectory) to bring the car to the apex by sliding the front end. As a result, he tends to brake and turn a little bit earlier. This is quite obvious in corners 01, 05, 07, 09 and 14 (the last corner). An interesting phenomenon is the extreme wobble of the external front tyre, which is a direct result of the extreme slip angle utilized. However, it seems that Renault have tuned their suspension to operate that way, and Alonso is using it to the extreme. Note this wobble on the front right tyre at the 1st corner, and then also note how this phenomenon is gradually reduced as the lap goes on and the tyres pick up temperature.

The most interesting point of observation is the “bite” point that we discussed before. You will notice that once the Renault hits this bite point, Alonso immediately decreases the steering lock and gets on the throttle. As a result, he is much earlier on the throttle than other car/driver combinations and he has a hot, switched-on tyre for the apex and exit of the corner, taking full advantage of Renault’s superior traction. If we focus on turn 07 (the long, uphill right hander immediately after sector 01 and before the infamous turn 08), you can see the extreme initial steering lock (and induced understeer) at 00:41 and the bit point which comes a bit before 00:42. I have heard many fans argue that it is relatively easy to drive like that – you just “whack” it into the corner, and as soon as it bites you’re on the throttle.

I am afraid it’s a bit more complicated than that, for two main reasons. The first reason has to do purely with geometry; trajectory, if you prefer. What Alonso is doing is counter intuitive, i.e. instead of driving the car into the apex, he is sliding with the front end towards it instead. As a result you must have a perfect understanding in advance of how much the car is going to slide, to hit the apex perfectly. And if it’s hard enough to do it with a settled F1 car, imagine how difficult it is to do it like that. In fact, Alonso only barely misses two apex in the 2005 lap – the one at turn 09, but he gets a decent exit nevertheless, and the one at turn 12, at the end of the long straight, which was due to wind from the back that made him misjudge his braking point. You must also possess a great feeling of what the tyre is doing, to always be on top of that initial slide and understand the bite point as soon as it manifests itself.

The other reason has to do with oversteer. In order to drive like that, you need a very strong rear end, that will remain planted, no matter how much you are “hacking” the steering wheel. Furthermore, you need to be incredibly alert inside the corner because it’s very easy for this understeer to turn to snap oversteer at the bite point. Since your hands are already committed to a very big steering lock, it’s difficult to make small corrections to the oversteer once it exhibits itself. As an example of that, I am showing you the following lap, which is from Silverstone qualifying in 2006. You can see after he goes under the Bridge and as he turns into Priory towards the end of the lap, the kind of oversteer that we are talking about, which he is able to correct with tiny corrections on the steering wheel and by cutting the corner slightly.


As we all know, Michelin left the sport in 2007 and Fernando moved to McLaren which had a completely different design philosophy and driving characteristics. Fernando had to adjust within a very short period of time to a driving style he hadn’t used since, basically, his 2001 Minardi days. Despite all the negativity that surrounded his 2007 season and the off and on track shenanigans, he managed to make this transition smoothly and still be at the sharp end of the grid, fighting for the championship until the last race. It’s this kind of adjustments and ability to adapt to very different requirements that separate the great drivers from the merely good ones.
Now for the haters say that Alonso was "whipped by a rookie". This overlooks a few things.

1) Hami has proven to be no ordinary rookie. Grosjean and Piquet were thrashed, and they both had excellent (if non alien like) Junior careers.

2) Tied at 107 pts, 4 wins a piece, is NOT a thrashing, or whipping by either driver. Fred finished 10-7 in races (9-6 excluding retirements, each had 1 ), and qualifying Hami led the way 10-7.

3) As outlined above, Fred has proven that he is able to adapt to any of these cars/tires/regs and get results.

Yea, two aliens that were very evenly matched. You may not like Fred's politics (hello understatement), but I'd say he more than held his own against Hami.
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He's still an alien.
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Anyone get this issue of RACER? I'm gonna look for it this weekend. Looks interestering.
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Not a huge fan of that mag. Had a sub once, did not renew.
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Old 11-27-2014, 12:38 AM
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When did you have a sub? I had a sub to Champ Car, which rolled over to Racer after two years when it was discontinued back in '99-00 or so. I didn't renew cuz I had other stuff to pay for. I also think it had a new owner in mid 2000s and only recently it was bought back by its founder and new staff were brought in.

I think former Super Street editor Richard S. Chang was a writer for them.
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You and I are rocking these next year together



Booley too.
Totally would rock that.

COTA has a deal going on right now. For $222...

F1 GA Weekend
MotoGP GA Weekend
WEC GA Weekend
US Vintage Champ Weekend
World Challenge GA Weekend

Yea, consider my tickets booked for the year. I'll probably pass on the GA F1 tickets for cheap too.
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The Hulk is racing in a 919 for next year's Le Mans. That's a good set of hands for Porsche. I'd say they want that title next year, no excuses.
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Looks like Alonso his self be modeling that ****.
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Stupid autocorrect.

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Hair is too long, beard not long enough.

Wait, is it weird that I know that?
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so HUL will race a porsche 919 at le mans and still be in F1 next year. sweet for him!
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Williams got a new test driver.
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-cosworth developed pneumatic-valved V4...

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YAY no more double points BS!!!!! Great Montoya pics too.....thanks Outrun!!

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Double points YUK
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-because RedBull and Spanish....

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JEV might get Williams reserve driver.
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JEV might get Williams reserve driver.
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-because RedBull and Spanish....

Like dear ole' dad.
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Poor JEV. Hoped he got that Test Role at Williams.
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