endlesswinterco

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Came across this guy, running TC at lime rock park this weekend. not the typical tsx/rsx running in TC.

vtecjj

That's H1 racer Matt Lang-K20a powered integra. Everything is stock except for the Skunk 2 cams & valvetrain. He says it dynos 246whp, 174tq (dynojet).

http://www.k20a.org/forum/show...age=3
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It's gonna be tough against those K24's and Mazda 6's

Good Luck to Matt



Modified by vtecjj at 1:18 AM 5/25/2008

mlrmotorsports

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I will be competing in 2 more races in WC... Mid-Ohio and Mosport

It was very hard to compete with these guys... I had no torque out of the corner but had some top end for them till my motor blew! Rod bearings on stock k20 bottom end couldn't take the abuse.

WC did approve a built motor for me and are allowing me to keep my weight of 2450 so this should help allot with top end and torque. I was also running on PIC's which was a terrible idea for this level of racing and showed as my lap times were a bit off pace. Lex Carson the man in charge of Moton USA had a medical emergency and couldn't return my shocks to me in time for the race. So look for a better showing next time

Hayasa15

thats awesome, good luck to you.

slammed_93_hatch

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I will be competing in 2 more races in WC... Mid-Ohio and Mosport

It was very hard to compete with these guys... I had no torque out of the corner but had some top end for them till my motor blew! Rod bearings on stock k20 bottom end couldn't take the abuse.

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whats the motor package?

mlrmotorsports

I cant tell you... it's a secret! K20 with a 87mm bore supertech pistons 12:5.1 piston I beam IB pro rods, hytech baffled oil pan, r crew header, King motorsports WC prepped head with Supertech valves, springs and retainers, skunk2 stage 2 cams.

slammed_93_hatch

so...... pretty much they just let you run the skunk2 cams instead of the RTR cams?


edit- 87mm bore isn't OEM for k20a, what displacement does that give it?

endlesswinterco

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very nice to hear about the new motor. i was deff surprised to see you trying to compete against the tsxs. since it was only tc i wasn't there in person, but deff pleased to you hear you are running in some more races. ill see you at mosport and mid-ohio. mosport is an awsome track. hopefully your moton problems work out. get her back up and running.

vtecjj

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I will be competing in 2 more races in WC... Mid-Ohio and Mosport

It was very hard to compete with these guys... I had no torque out of the corner but had some top end for them till my motor blew! Rod bearings on stock k20 bottom end couldn't take the abuse.

WC did approve a built motor for me and are allowing me to keep my weight of 2450 so this should help allot with top end and torque. I was also running on PIC's which was a terrible idea for this level of racing and showed as my lap times were a bit off pace. Lex Carson the man in charge of Moton USA had a medical emergency and couldn't return my shocks to me in time for the race. So look for a better showing next time
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Sorry to hear about the engine blowin' up.
Nevermind, pro racing, are you gonna have an engine for nationals???

mlrmotorsports

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Sorry to hear about the engine blowin' up.
Nevermind, pro racing, are you gonna have an engine for nationals???</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes I will have a motor for nationals maybe a k24.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so...... pretty much they just let you run the skunk2 cams instead of the RTR cams?


edit- 87mm bore isn't OEM for k20a, what displacement does that give it?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No 87mm is 1mm over it makes it a 2045cc motor. You dont have to run RTR cams is what my understanding is, they just can exceed the size of the RTR cams. Plus they cost liek 2,000 new and Skunk2 is a sponsor and has good engine parts.

slammed_93_hatch

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Yes I will have a motor for nationals maybe a k24.


No 87mm is 1mm over it makes it a 2045cc motor. You dont have to run RTR cams is what my understanding is, they just can exceed the size of the RTR cams. Plus they cost liek 2,000 new and Skunk2 is a sponsor and has good engine parts. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i think the K20 for WC is an exercise in blowing motors. RTR spent a lot of time doing it as well as PRIMA racing. I'd suggest getting to that 2.4l motor sooner rather then later.

ekim952522000

Why do they blow so much in world challenge?

DO yo ujust have to rev them to high?

vtecjj

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Yes I will have a motor for nationals maybe a k24.
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using a K20 is WC Touring Car is futile. Why would you use a K24 at nationals but not for WC Touring Car? If you want to be competitive in WC Touring Car, you're gonna HAVE to use the K24. Reliability of the K20's have been unsucessful for the most part.
Before you get/buy the pistons, rods, etc. for the K20, since you still have to build the engine, you might as well spend the $$$ and parts for the K24.
that's just my opinion

slammed_93_hatch

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Pretty much, the new motors don't have the "cushion" that the older motors do.

mlrmotorsports

I have a been given engine parts to complete a built k20 and my cost is going to be very low for this build so rather then start over with a K24 and spend a furtune to get it done by early July I am going to run this motor and then sell it complete with the bad *** gearbox it has in it w/carbon clutch

I may even sell the complete car and move to another platform incase anyone wants this car

Andrie Hartanto

Matt,

firstly congrats on your first pro race.

We've talked over the phone. I'm going to repeat my advise and just do the K24 right away. With the way the current rule is written, the K20 will not be reliable. Jimmy knows it has he was with me when we ran K20. To continue with a K20 will just mean burning money.

That being said, pro racing is expensive. Any way to save money is a good way. However, going cheap on engine building is definitely not a way to do it. You should get all the best, or it will be like throwing money away.

mlrmotorsports

Andrie I agree we need to go to the K24 ASAP, you were right the rod bearing went the K20 cant handle that much power for such a long period in time.

It was definitly a experience! Much more fun the club racing... I am really looking forward to Mid-Ohio!

Redcivic92

Matt, Congrats on hittin' the PRO curcuit, hope to catch you next time. Sorry we missed you this weekend; John Oldt, John Whitaker, Chris Drabouski, Tim Rich and I were looking forward to seeing you race on Mon. We had a lot of fun but it just wasn't the same without seeing our buddy on the track.
If you have time come up to Pocono this weekend and hang out.

Ekasey

What do you mean the rod bearing can't handle the power?

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migs

Congratulations in running with WC Matt. Thats awesome. Good luck with your future races.

mlrmotorsports

The stock bottom end with the Skunk2 cams just could handle the rev's.

vinuneuro

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Pretty much, the new motors don't have the "cushion" that the older motors do.

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Less 'cushion' in what form? Is lubrication the issue for everyone?

JohnW

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Ditto, that!

Give em' hell at Mid-Ohio.

Lambinator

Matt looked like you were having fun out there, but tough bunch to try and hang with. We saw the motor letting go out of 2 and finally the big bang out of 3. Hope it wasn't too costly and looking forward to seeing you back at it the next couple of races.

mlrmotorsports

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Yeah I was having a good time. The car needs some changes but I will have more fun at Mid-Ohio.

The Fenton cars looked good, I love the cage in the 4dr SI you drove very nice!