20CiviC02Si

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Very interesting technology in spring design and technology. Was bored and stumbled on this. Should give it a read! Hopefully suspension design will continue making advancements!

http://www.hypercoils.com/bellows-springs.html

miamirice

When the guys running Daytona prototype and GT cars have used this a few seasons it might be more interesting. At this point I put this with run flat tires.

20CiviC02Si

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Yeah i'm sure they are still going to be refining this technology, but it's interesting.

dirty19

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You are about a year too late on this one.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...rbon+Composite

Not many thought it was anything worth looking into despite over 1800 views

Robin6

Seen this on TV last night, biker build off type show.
Very cool ! It something to keep our eyes on for sure!

dirty19

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At 75.00 per coil?

Robin6

Being expensive does not mean they are bad products.

20CiviC02Si

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I'm sure prices will go down eventually, all new technology starts out expensive. And as time goes by, the cost of producing carbon composites will drop. They are coming out with more efficient means of producing due to the higher demand for the stuff. More auto manufacturers are utilizing composites into their cars, eventually i see full monocoque cars being developed for affordable automobiles. It will have to happen eventually with the higher demand for lighter more fuel efficient vehicles.

Just a cool technology. Didn't know someone made a thread on it a year ago.... Better late than never!

dirty19

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Didnt say it was a bad product.
Just not an affordable one.

Robin6

not affordable to most, correct you are sir!
on the biker build off they only needed one with maybe about 6 disks, making it very affordable in my eyes. 6x$75=$450...not that bad.
weight savings must be insane!

Hyperco is pleased to announce the inclusion of our Carbon Composite Bellows Spring system in the 2nd annual American Chopper Live competition.

American Chopper Live is a no holds barred bike build-off, where the biggest part of the grand prize is the bragging rights.

Paul, Sr. and Paul, Jr. - the stars of the American Chopper series, along with Outlaw Garage star Jesse James and the stars of Discovery's Fast N' Loud - Richard Rawlings and Aaron Kaufman - are among the competitors in this year's ultimate bike building contest.

Beginning with a lead-in episode of American Chopper on Dec 10th, the bellows spring system will be utilized in one of the builds. The competition portion of the contest will be aired live from Las Vegas' Hard Rock Casino on Dec 11th. Both nights begin at 9/8c on Discovery.

Will Hyperco help claim the title this year? Tune in with us to find out!

UPDATE: After this post ran, Discovery released some important news of its own...

dirty19

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That was for a bike not a car.
I was reading on the Subaru forums that they would need about 21-25 per corner, give or take.
That would include a various amount of coils for changing the spring rates at various tracks.
With that known on a Subaru it takes the affordability right out of the question.
However i think more research is needed to get a good idea of what it would cost for a Honda to include variations in the spring weights one wishes to use.
Again this would vary from track to track for me, as I dont always use the same springs at every track.
Then there are other questions..
Do the known sanctioning bodys, allow them in every class?
Are they ok to use in TA or AutoX.
Perhaps more investigation is needed.

known

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I saw these on some type of open wheel car at my last scca event, formula car was something like 1200 a corner for the discs.

not worth it when you are barely saving any weight at that price for our cars, plus its not legal for my class.

Robin6

You might be on to something buddy!
Had it not been for motorcycles, a ton of the technology for cars would not even exist.

Davidss

A few people were already using them at the SCCA Runoffs over a year ago.

dirty19

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[QUOTE=Davidss;48210602]A few people were already using them at the SCCA Runoffs over a year ago.[/QUOTE

Any ideas on their costs?

Robin6

some folks just can not afford them i guess. "some" people.

njn63

As I said in the other topic, the OD on these is ~1" larger than a coil spring for a 2.5". My car doesn't have the clearance for these to fit even if I could afford them.

10cjennings

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dirty19

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That was for an open wheel car genius.
Im looking for a sedan/coupe application.

njn63

Here's a calculator to determine how many washers you need:
http://www.hypercoils.com/bellows-calculator/

They're $75/washer list. I got $1425-$1725 a corner for 6" tall 2.5" ID springs depending on spring rate.

10cjennings

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Calm your nuts, tryng to help *******.

Robin6

For "some" people communications online is a serious struggle.

Water off your back buddy.

Robin6

Thanks buddy.
hummmm...66% lighter, outstanding in my book!

dirty19

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For "some" people communications online is a serious struggle.



Then help like the other post that appeared above mine.
Dont try and 1 up me by pointing out the obvious.
I saw all that already.

Larry you need to chill with your snarky remarks too.

10cjennings

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If you saw it already then ignore my post or just say that you had already seen it, without being a douchebag.

1 up you? I spent literally 5 seconds clicking quote on the 2 posts to make sure you had seen it, this wasn't an elaborate plan to undermine your credibility or some ****. Get over yourself.

I'd like to know more about these springs and I'm sure you'll have some snarky comeback even though you know you were the first to talk ****, I don't plan on responding.