Voodooboy520

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If you can't afford $14 for a half-liter bottle of brake fluid (or $28 for two bottles, but you probably won't need the second one), then you can't afford to go to the track.
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I use the Syn-Power fluid you can get at autozone in the beige bottle. I boiled it with stock pads, but after a full system flush and some carbotechs, my 9.2" brakes hauled the car down quickly and didnt boil the fluid. And its like $4/litre

TeamNextGenChris

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I use the Syn-Power fluid you can get at autozone in the beige bottle. I boiled it with stock pads, but after a full system flush and some carbotechs, my 9.2" brakes hauled the car down quickly and didnt boil the fluid. And its like $4/litre</TD></TR></TABLE>
this si the fluid i've always used,and i've never had a problem until this past weekend.in the almost 100 degree heat,i did get the fluid too hot during one session.i took it easy for a lap,and it was fine after that.i did buy some Super Blue though,and will be swapping over to it.
Chris

B18CXr

not synthetic?i always run Mobil 1 in my turbo car.



Don's engine builder advised him to stay away from crappy synthetic.

OEM oil cooler FTW!

Lo-Buck EF

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Don's engine builder advised him to stay away from crappy synthetic.

OEM oil cooler FTW!

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synthetic defiantely FTMFL. but oem oil cooler?? i know don's engine builder knows his stuff. but still....

TeamNextGenChris

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not trying to go totally off-topic(or start the great oil debate),but why all the anti-synthetic oil sentiment?
Chris

B18CXr

but oem oil cooler??

Why add an external oil cooler that will/could add pressure loss (due to added volume) and WILL add the risk of leaks if oil temps do not warrant the need for??

P.S.

K.I.S.S. has always been my thought process.

Weel

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K.I.S.S. has always been my thought process.

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mrlegoman

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Why add an external oil cooler that will/could add pressure loss (due to added volume)....
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Lo-Buck EF

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Why add an external oil cooler that will/could add pressure loss (due to added volume) and WILL add the risk of leaks if oil temps do not warrant the need for??

P.S.

K.I.S.S. has always been my thought process.


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i figured that application would NEED it with out question. but i guess not. the oil temps must not reach over 300* then. but your right. alot of these cooler kits drop pressure (mainly the ones that relocate the filter and use a huge one) and leaks are a possibility (saw that happen at hyperfest).

Targa250R

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Maintenance is not the issue.

Anything that will wear out on the track will also wear out on the street, just at a slower rate. Consumables like brakes, tires, fuel, and oil are obviously going to take up the largest portion of the maintenance budget for a track car. The advantage of tracking a car is that you must keep up on inspections and maintenance in order to pass tech inspection and keep yourself (and others) safe - while I see many people driving unsafe, neglected cars on the street that really belong in a crusher.

The real issue is the risk of wrecking the car into a solid object, without insurance to cover your *** as it does on the street.

If it's your only car and you have to drive it to work on Monday morning, don't track it. It's pretty simple.

I track my "daily driven" car, but I also paid $400 for it - and I have a second car that will get me to work if need be.

B18CXr

but i guess not. the oil temps must not reach over 300* then. but your right. alot of these cooler kits drop pressure (mainly the ones that relocate the filter and use a huge one) and leaks are a possibility (saw that happen at hyperfest).




Yep, O-man tried to clown me out also, got him an OEM cooler on the B16chitbox also, never over 260F (even at 9300rpms).....got him straightened out just like legomanpasseveryoneontrackhitantilaginparkinglotph latscreenhaulingsissyphourpotsaregheybtw.

o-man

I didn't try to clown you. I told you if it crosses 260* I will put an aftermarket cooler on it Bish. Now, call me about dyno plots before I have to open the can of whup *** on ya

CRX Toad

Jack just threaten him with Y49 paint he'll back off!!!!!

OSCAR LOVES Y49

Db1_77

Had my first NASA event at Road Atlanta this weekend, with my daily driver.

I was HDPE class1, with an instructor riding along. And everything that's been said here, he told me while we were in our briefing. He gave me a new respect for automobile dynamics and the risks involved when you put your car onto the track.

I DO have my RC51 in the garage if i ball up my DB, but I'd much rather drive the car when it's raining.

I think I'm hooked. I'll def. be at the next event in September down in Savannah.
-jonathan

BETO736

Here, here, pick me, pick me!!!
I did track my daily driver regularly, autox and HPDE's. I started with all oem, then started upgradring suspension, tyres and brakes. Didin't notice/have any problems, just more maintainance like oil/fluids changes and pads and rotors, not to mention tyres.
My first track day three years ago:

So much water has passed under the bridge.

igyloo

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I wouldn't recommend it either. If anything happens you can still get to work/school.

I totalled a car, blew a motor, and blew a clutch at the track. I'm glad that I always had a DD though.

pgibbs

I've been tracking my daily driver for about a year...about 8 2-day weekends. I really enjoy my car at the track. And, while I've gone through the exercise of buying a track car to spare any risk to my DD, I've come to the conclusion that I will continue to track my DD, on a little less frequent basis.

I think there's a big difference between HPDE and being "competitive." My daily driver will never be competitive and I'm cool with that. It is totally stock and I am among the faster HPDE 3 drivers in SoCal. I would only mod the car if I planned to dedicate it to the track only.

Once you learn the limits of your car (I've heard this can be an expensive lesson) it's not hard to keep within those limits. Doing so significantly reduces the risks beyond normal wear and tear discussed in this thread. Pushing you car for an extra second per lap just isn't a risk you should take with your DD.

Some may argue this point, but I believe the cost of buying a track car and the cost of maintenace can be considerably more than tracking your DD, even considering the risks.

The bottom line is if you are content with being fast while staying within your cars limits, track your DD. If you want to go beyond that, and have the extra time and money to spend, buy another car. Just another opinion...

Targa250R

"Staying within your limits" is all well and dandy, but it doesn't leave you any better off if someone drops fluid on the track in front of you, or if you spin in a blind curve and another car hits you while rounding the corner.

And yes, I've seen both of these events happen to people's daily driven street cars. At the same HPDE event, no less.

You don't have to be driving at the edge to get into trouble very quickly.

As has been said - if you can't afford to write the vehicle off, and you have no other way to make it to work on Monday morning, tracking it makes no sense.

pgibbs

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I have had several occassions when someone was dumping fluid immediately in front of me, both oil and radiator. In each case, it was obvious they were dropping fluid because I was paying attention and just drove offline, pitted and made the tower aware of the problem. Again, I'm not racing, just driving. I'm not bump drafting people. With a safe distance you can visualize and adjust for problems. As far as spinning in a blind corner, I have never spun while operating within the limits of my car.

There 's a big difference between HPDE 1 and 3. As I said before, learning the limits of your car and track protocol can be an expensive lesson....so I hear.


Modified by pgibbs at 12:01 AM 8/24/2007