Head & neck restraint systems and the politics behind them
12-28-2011, 04:59 PM
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Re: Head & neck restraint systems and the politics behind them
For what it's worth, Greg (the second video there) was a part of our testing. He was wearing an older HANS which the wings were made higher on subsequent models. High enough? Hopefully I don't need to be the test person to find out.
01-02-2012, 12:17 PM
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It's a simple way to get around some taxes. And at the end of the year you can't show a "profit" it doesn't mean that you didn't make a profit though.
Jake you are smarter then that...
01-02-2012, 01:29 PM
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Building something... hahaha i've got my hands involved in a few things... Not sure what it will turn out to be... but it will be built for something that i enjoy doing and love. I lost that before.
01-03-2012, 12:00 PM
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Re: Head & neck restraint systems and the politics behind them
Also, why should my non-moveable safety item be re-certified ever if it's never involved in an accident? How does it actually wear out? I could be an accident, involving fire and assuming my suit didn't burn off of me I'd still be able to use THAT again. But if the SFI can find a way to get rich by making Sparco richer by requiring that I re-certify my suit every 2 years I'm sure they'll try.
01-16-2012, 11:49 AM
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Key word there is *could*. How do you know that the other devices are better? You don't. We don't. It's not really economically feasible to setup an independent testing environment by people who know what they're doing which makes it tough to say that we could be using something better.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the HANS is marketed as a device that will decrease the chances of a BSF in an impact. Agree? I think based on the evidence presented so far it's a fair *assumption*, based on the evidence that we have at our disposal, to say that their product does this. Do you disagree with this statement: A driver wearing a HANS is less likely to have a BSF in an impact than a driver without one. <--that's their "hey this car will go 0-60 in less than 10 seconds". I think any educated person knows that the HANS device can't protect a driver from all neck related injuries, in any and every situation.
"no idea" really?
I think the slow motion sled video of their product shows exactly what it does. I think the lack of injuries noted in professional racing since the implementation of this device gives us a pretty good idea of how it works.
Are the competiting products better? I think you have to qualify what "better" is. What is "better"?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the HANS is marketed as a device that will decrease the chances of a BSF in an impact. Agree? I think based on the evidence presented so far it's a fair *assumption*, based on the evidence that we have at our disposal, to say that their product does this. Do you disagree with this statement: A driver wearing a HANS is less likely to have a BSF in an impact than a driver without one. <--that's their "hey this car will go 0-60 in less than 10 seconds". I think any educated person knows that the HANS device can't protect a driver from all neck related injuries, in any and every situation.
"no idea" really?
I think the slow motion sled video of their product shows exactly what it does. I think the lack of injuries noted in professional racing since the implementation of this device gives us a pretty good idea of how it works.Are the competiting products better? I think you have to qualify what "better" is. What is "better"?
Same is true for other items...or it should be. But face it, most racers are livin the dream, and don't look too closely at the fine print on stuff like this.
I want to know what the damn numbers ARE. How much did it get under the minimum by? How does it perform in all tests?
So, the HANS helps reduce injuries. That's great. So lets all just buy it.
To suggest we shouldn't consider other factors is ridiculous. You wouldn't buy a microwave based on the fact that it boils a cup of water in under 2 minutes, but you buy safety gear that way? Mmmmkay.
01-16-2012, 11:57 AM
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Re: Head & neck restraint systems and the politics behind them
But it's only one facet of the business model.
Snell accepts any (that meet basic minimum requirements) helmet for testing.
Snell isn't a 'club' with closed doors, that you must apply for entrance to, and pay dues.
Snell doesn't get all the belt folks (or the whatever folks) together and say "Write yourself a standard for your products".
SFI might be Gods gift to motorsports, but it's set up in a manner that creates obvious conflicts of interest, and some standards, such as the 38.1 are written in such a narrow manner as to limit innovation.
In an industry that lives and breaths innovation, I find it odd we all just drink their koolaid.
They aren't even Apple!
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