How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out....
06-22-2008, 02:02 AM
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How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out....
Took my Civic EG4 with a stock d15b2 motor to the track the other day.
The slowest onboard video you've ever seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHljR5o4fMY
Take the video for what it is ; Seeing how a basically stock old Honda performs at a race track. Hopefully someone will find it useful.
Quick specs:
Car: 1992 Civic EG4
Motor: Stock d15b2, 230000km, aprox 75-80hp
Tires: Nokian NRVi regular street tires
Brakes and suspension: Stock ITR
Modified by Pompiuses at 6:44 PM 6/23/2008
The slowest onboard video you've ever seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHljR5o4fMY
Take the video for what it is ; Seeing how a basically stock old Honda performs at a race track. Hopefully someone will find it useful.
Quick specs:
Car: 1992 Civic EG4
Motor: Stock d15b2, 230000km, aprox 75-80hp
Tires: Nokian NRVi regular street tires
Brakes and suspension: Stock ITR
Modified by Pompiuses at 6:44 PM 6/23/2008
06-22-2008, 10:44 AM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Pompiuses)
So you plan to blow a hole in your block and dump oil all over the track surfaces and harm others that are on the track with you? Stupid place messing around in. Double check your method. 
06-22-2008, 10:56 AM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (.:Made in OC:.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .:Made in OC:. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So you plan to blow a hole in your block and dump oil all over the track surfaces and harm others that are on the track with you? Stupid place messing around in. Double check your method. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Haha, that won't happen by just getting high enough oil temps. If you want to blow a hole in the block you either need a lot of boost or to over rev big time.
If you have bad/old enough oil, high oil temps just kills the bearings and piston rings.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Haha, that won't happen by just getting high enough oil temps. If you want to blow a hole in the block you either need a lot of boost or to over rev big time.
If you have bad/old enough oil, high oil temps just kills the bearings and piston rings.
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (.:Made in OC:.)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pompiuses »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my tires was starting to melt
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06-22-2008, 11:35 AM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (sporkcrx)
Yeah, FF cars arn't too kind with the front tires. Especially with little negative camber.
With my old ITR I used to roast the front tires all the time at track events before I started using R compounds. Even so they would also start overheating after about 10-15 minutes of all out driving.
With my old ITR I used to roast the front tires all the time at track events before I started using R compounds. Even so they would also start overheating after about 10-15 minutes of all out driving.
06-22-2008, 12:59 PM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Pompiuses)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pompiuses »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Haha, that won't happen by just getting high enough oil temps. If you want to blow a hole in the block you either need a lot of boost or to over rev big time.
If you have bad/old enough oil, high oil temps just kills the bearings and piston rings.
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your kidding me right?
a spun bearing at high rpm in high temperature can easily fuse metal and put a hole in your block.
you are an idiot for doing that on a track with other people.
that **** is not a game especially if you dont know how engines work.
Haha, that won't happen by just getting high enough oil temps. If you want to blow a hole in the block you either need a lot of boost or to over rev big time.
If you have bad/old enough oil, high oil temps just kills the bearings and piston rings.
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your kidding me right?
a spun bearing at high rpm in high temperature can easily fuse metal and put a hole in your block.
you are an idiot for doing that on a track with other people.
that **** is not a game especially if you dont know how engines work.
06-22-2008, 01:21 PM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Pompiuses)
i'm about 1 second away from docking this guy points.....you are intentionally trying to blow your engine on a track i'm on.....yeah you are messing with my life....
yeah....someone talk me out of docking points from this guy
yeah....someone talk me out of docking points from this guy
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06-22-2008, 05:34 PM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (chad)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.....you are intentionally trying to blow your engine on a track i'm on.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not a good example of track etiquette, for sure, but he's in Norway, so I think you're safe.
Not a good example of track etiquette, for sure, but he's in Norway, so I think you're safe.
06-22-2008, 06:50 PM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Pompiuses)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pompiuses »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, FF cars arn't too kind with the front tires. Especially with little negative camber.
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You're right that FWD cars eat up front tires, but...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pompiuses »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">YEven so they would also start overheating after about 10-15 minutes of all out driving.
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If they're not totally garbage tires, they should last longer than 10-15 minutes, unless you're driving like an *******.
For your motor plan, since it's essentially worthless (the D15B2) how about just pull it out right now? There's not any good reason not to.
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You're right that FWD cars eat up front tires, but...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pompiuses »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">YEven so they would also start overheating after about 10-15 minutes of all out driving.
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If they're not totally garbage tires, they should last longer than 10-15 minutes, unless you're driving like an *******.
For your motor plan, since it's essentially worthless (the D15B2) how about just pull it out right now? There's not any good reason not to.
06-22-2008, 07:29 PM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Stinkycheezmonky)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stinkycheezmonky »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You're right that FWD cars eat up front tires, but...
If they're not totally garbage tires, they should last longer than 10-15 minutes, unless you're driving like an *******.
For your motor plan, since it's essentially worthless (the D15B2) how about just pull it out right now? There's not any good reason not to.</TD></TR></TABLE>
my money is on drives like an *******. i bet he plows through corners yelling at his passengers "listen to those tires squeal! that means im fast!"
You're right that FWD cars eat up front tires, but...
If they're not totally garbage tires, they should last longer than 10-15 minutes, unless you're driving like an *******.
For your motor plan, since it's essentially worthless (the D15B2) how about just pull it out right now? There's not any good reason not to.</TD></TR></TABLE>
my money is on drives like an *******. i bet he plows through corners yelling at his passengers "listen to those tires squeal! that means im fast!"
06-22-2008, 08:59 PM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Kamin)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kamin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
my money is on drives like an *******. i bet he plows through corners yelling at his passengers "listen to those tires squeal! that means im fast!"</TD></TR></TABLE>
He's probably the people i hate at the track. Dive bombing into corners and entering hot and sliding his car. And yes i am speculating... but this is the perfect time. People who like to dump oil on high speed track surfaces on purpose fill these characteristics perfectly.
my money is on drives like an *******. i bet he plows through corners yelling at his passengers "listen to those tires squeal! that means im fast!"</TD></TR></TABLE>
He's probably the people i hate at the track. Dive bombing into corners and entering hot and sliding his car. And yes i am speculating... but this is the perfect time. People who like to dump oil on high speed track surfaces on purpose fill these characteristics perfectly.
06-22-2008, 10:17 PM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (.:Made in OC:.)
All I can say is wow . Did any of you actually watch the film? Did it look like I was driving like a moron plowing through corners?
Instead of taking the video for what it is, seeing how a basically stock old Honda performs at a race track, which I tought some people would find useful, everyone starts to speculate and hate.
It's not like this was an actual race. It's just an open trackday with all kinds of cars. The point is having fun.
And for the mechanically less inclined people here ; High oil temps will not blow a hole the motor.
Mods feel free to lock this thread before more useless crap are posted here.
. Did any of you actually watch the film? Did it look like I was driving like a moron plowing through corners?Instead of taking the video for what it is, seeing how a basically stock old Honda performs at a race track, which I tought some people would find useful, everyone starts to speculate and hate.
It's not like this was an actual race. It's just an open trackday with all kinds of cars. The point is having fun.
And for the mechanically less inclined people here ; High oil temps will not blow a hole the motor.
Mods feel free to lock this thread before more useless crap are posted here.
06-22-2008, 10:20 PM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Pompiuses)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pompiuses »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
And for the mechanically less inclined people here ; High oil temps will not blow a hole the motor.
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BULLSHIT
high enough temp will cause oil failure and CAN seize a motor. and if you seize a motor at high rpm you can lose a block.
you seem to be the mechanically less inclined one.
And for the mechanically less inclined people here ; High oil temps will not blow a hole the motor.
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BULLSHIT
high enough temp will cause oil failure and CAN seize a motor. and if you seize a motor at high rpm you can lose a block.
you seem to be the mechanically less inclined one.
06-22-2008, 10:24 PM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Kamin)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kamin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">high enough temp will cause oil failure and CAN seize a motor. and if you seize a motor at high rpm you can lose a block. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Really, when was the last time you saw that on a stock motor?
Really, when was the last time you saw that on a stock motor?
06-22-2008, 10:54 PM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Pompiuses)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pompiuses »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Really, when was the last time you saw that on a stock motor?
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what does it matter the level of the motors modification?
are you really this ignorant? what the hell do you think would happen to an engine when you basically stop giving it usable oil?
Really, when was the last time you saw that on a stock motor?
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what does it matter the level of the motors modification?
are you really this ignorant? what the hell do you think would happen to an engine when you basically stop giving it usable oil?
06-22-2008, 11:05 PM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Kamin)
It matters a lot. Stock motors actually run for a long time even if you drain all the oil. Off course the bearings gets destroyed, but it keeps on going.
It seems to me you need to get off the internet and on to a real race track. A few hours of aggression management might do you good as well it seems.
Anyway, I'm getting tired of this. Mods
It seems to me you need to get off the internet and on to a real race track. A few hours of aggression management might do you good as well it seems.
Anyway, I'm getting tired of this. Mods
06-22-2008, 11:24 PM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Pompiuses)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pompiuses »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It matters a lot. Stock motors actually run for a long time even if you drain all the oil. Off course the bearings gets destroyed, but it keeps on going.
It seems to me you need to get off the internet and on to a real race track. A few hours of aggression management might do you good as well it seems.
Anyway, I'm getting tired of this. Mods
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whats a race track?
and i wouldnt go begging for mods. chad (the mod) was close to docking you points for your idiocy earlier today. he probably isnt on your side.
It seems to me you need to get off the internet and on to a real race track. A few hours of aggression management might do you good as well it seems.
Anyway, I'm getting tired of this. Mods
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whats a race track?
and i wouldnt go begging for mods. chad (the mod) was close to docking you points for your idiocy earlier today. he probably isnt on your side.
06-23-2008, 12:02 AM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Pompiuses)
-i kinda laughed, but then thought to myself.....wait, he's from norway. they do this kind of stuff regularly at Rudskogen. gatebil/track events usually have cars pukking fluids all weekend, its part of the "lifestyle" over there. although dumb to americans, blowing stuff up is pretty normal/common in norway. henrik's....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meC3-28vG10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHIJxT19SR4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meC3-28vG10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHIJxT19SR4
06-23-2008, 12:28 AM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (wesvailco)
Well, yeah you're all probably right.
A few years back ago I was driving my old ITR at the same track. But I guess my hopeless plowing driving and the obvious dangers of tracking a stock motor are too low a standard for the HT road racing forum:
http://video.google.com/videop...75477
It's afterall the lifestyle over here beeing reckless.
A few years back ago I was driving my old ITR at the same track. But I guess my hopeless plowing driving and the obvious dangers of tracking a stock motor are too low a standard for the HT road racing forum:
http://video.google.com/videop...75477
It's afterall the lifestyle over here beeing reckless.
06-23-2008, 06:34 AM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Pompiuses)
Hey, I watched the video right after you posted it, and laughed.
125C oil temp is NOWHERE NEAR the failure point of oils. (257F?). I ran my ITR at 320F and I run my Honda Prelude without an oil temp gauge, I'm sure it's around 300F too. I'm sure most of the stock Vettes and things you see at the track that are making power are near 300F oil temps.
Come on, no one here has taken an underpowered or high mileage car out on track and driven it as hard as they can? It's not like he ran the car without oil or coolant or something. Just because he doesn't care about the motor doesn't mean it's going to spontaneously explode.
It seems like he's less likely to ventilate his d15 block on this car at 7000 RPM (or whatever) than on any of his faster cars at higher RPM.
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125C oil temp is NOWHERE NEAR the failure point of oils. (257F?). I ran my ITR at 320F and I run my Honda Prelude without an oil temp gauge, I'm sure it's around 300F too. I'm sure most of the stock Vettes and things you see at the track that are making power are near 300F oil temps.
Come on, no one here has taken an underpowered or high mileage car out on track and driven it as hard as they can? It's not like he ran the car without oil or coolant or something. Just because he doesn't care about the motor doesn't mean it's going to spontaneously explode.
It seems like he's less likely to ventilate his d15 block on this car at 7000 RPM (or whatever) than on any of his faster cars at higher RPM.
-Chris
06-23-2008, 06:48 AM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Chris F)
I feel compelled to state this...let's all tone it down a bit. Be reasonable and stay away from insulting each other in each (or every other) post.
Thanks.
Thanks.
06-23-2008, 07:27 AM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (Chris F)
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Just because he doesn't care about the motor doesn't mean it's going to spontaneously explode.
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Thank you!
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Hey, I watched the video right after you posted it, and laughed.
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Yeah, it's all about having good fun. Even in a stock powered old Civic
Just because he doesn't care about the motor doesn't mean it's going to spontaneously explode.
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Thank you!
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Hey, I watched the video right after you posted it, and laughed.
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Yeah, it's all about having good fun. Even in a stock powered old Civic
06-23-2008, 09:14 AM
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Re: How slow can a road race Honda be? Well, I found out.... (chad)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chad »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm about 1 second away from docking this guy points.....you are intentionally trying to blow your engine on a track i'm on.....yeah you are messing with my life....
yeah....someone talk me out of docking points from this guy</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dock him points and give me some back
Why even post something this stupid on here... put the car on jack stand and run it in your driveway blow it up at your own expense with out potentially harming others.
yeah....someone talk me out of docking points from this guy</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dock him points and give me some back
Why even post something this stupid on here... put the car on jack stand and run it in your driveway blow it up at your own expense with out potentially harming others.