drewbie

well, since f1 teams actually <u>do</u> have a budget, i wonder what technology is out there that they could be using but it is not economically possible. Does anyone have any ideas?

Johnny Mac

Robot driver, and I don't mean Kimi since he only seems robotic in post race interviews.

Ten full-sized wind tunnels, all moving ground plane (with precision boundary layer thickness monitors) with computer controlled turbulence on-demand for the freestream air. This way, they can test their cars with real time atmospheric turbulence as well as the turbulence created by the car(s) in front of them. Then, using sophisticated statistical models based on previous race information, they can come up with a best case setup for their cars.

Computer systems (mega-massively parallel units) that can compute CFD for full-bodied flow fields using three-equation turbulence models (instead of just one or two equation models they run now) BTW, the teams usually only use one-equation Spalart-Almaras turbulence models due to the fact that they can't usually get the two equation models to work (i.e. they crash).

Use nano technology on just about everything in the car to gain strength, minimize size of structural components, to improve aerodynamics even more. Need a few university PhD's for this program. No problem with an unlimited budget.

With an unlimited budget, like the Iraq war plan, a better F1 car could be created. Hire one hundred PhD's at $250,000 a year a pop, and who knows what could be achieved?

...esteban

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lol, I don't know what was more funny, that you mention the plan, or even call it a "plan"[/end shameless W hack]

hybridmoments

with unlimited budget.

1. Time Travel may become possible with the available research funds.
a team could run the race, if their car or strategy didn't work and allow them to place 1st, they could continue to travel back in time until they made the necessary changes which allowed them to place 1st.

2. If F1 teams had unlimited budgets, they could afford to sport JDM rims , and also convert to JDM front ends

3. " robot driver", that does sound pretty good. Or no robot at all. cars would be remote controlled by a supercomputer that could analyze billions of inputs per millisecond.

gotocrx

I like the idea of nano-robots operating with swarm intelligence that would constantly be repairing the rubber in the tires, so the tires never go off.

swarms of robots make everything better...

MSchu

active suspension would be the place to start... second would be exotic fuel concoctions with xylene or tolulene etc

Baggy Spandex

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2. If F1 teams had unlimited budgets, they could afford to sport JDM rims , and also convert to JDM front ends
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ahem...but I do believe that Toyota's F1 cars run Volk's And some massive front end Aero package, probably JDM.

Johnny Mac

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This wouldn't require any more of a budget than they already have. Active suspension has been done already with much more meager budgets than current F1 teams have. The fuel issue is one of safety and that's why tolulene and xylene aren't used - not budget.

MSchu

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This wouldn't require any more of a budget than they already have. Active suspension has been done already with much more meager budgets than current F1 teams have. The fuel issue is one of safety and that's why tolulene and xylene aren't used - not budget.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Johnsan... how wrong can you be

drewbie

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This wouldn't require any more of a budget than they already have. Active suspension has been done already with much more meager budgets than current F1 teams have. The fuel issue is one of safety and that's why tolulene and xylene aren't used - not budget.</TD></TR></TABLE>

whats different about those fuels?
why wouldnt they just run nitromethane?

MSchu

indeed, if they wanted to make maximum power for the shortest possible period. The fuel blends are very exotic and are engineered for the distance required to finish the race(or in this instance tear down intervals). they include lubricants and other additives to maintain/achieve the flame front characteristics that are required for a specific manufacturer engine philosophy.


And yes active suspension has been done before JMac, and outlawed before... why? cost controls/level the playing field

DB2-R81

Why? Wrong it had little to do with leveling the field, it was banned in order reduce corner speed, similar too current tires.

DB2-R81

Modified by DB2-R81 at 10:29 AM 4/19/2007

Johnny Mac

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Wow, I got vetoed by MSchu. BTW, MSchu, there are more exotic fuel ingredients than tolulene and xylene. But you already knew that and their organic compositions.

The point about active suspensions is that it has been done already with much less money than teams are currently spending. Regardless of whether it has been outlawed because of whatever reason is not the point, the point is that it can easily by accomplished with current budgets.

MSchu

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have you ever personally seen a active suspension race.

Johnny Mac

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Now I see why all the people in the F1 forum dislike you. You're irrelevant and you don't seem to understand much about what is being discussed. Like the old saying goes, It is better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool, than to speak [type] and remove all doubt". Certainly this applies to you.

DB2-R81

Hello MSchu,

Nice to see you are feeling better however your judgment is still unwell.

Sorry to dishearten you but I am a number of years older than you and have attended more F1 races than you have even had the lifetime to think about. Do your research and come back when you are able to discuss/debate the topic instead of attempting to attack me.




Modified by DB2-R81 at 12:17 PM 4/19/2007