piotrush

Hey guys. I'm deciding between which brake lines to get. I can get a set of Goodrige for $100 shipped, or Stoptech for $150 + shipping. I heard the quality is better on the stoptechs but is the extra cost worth it? If anyone has any feedback on either brand please let me know. Thanks.

Pete

mattjohnston

Make your own... Really..

It will be cheaper, and the fittings are re-usable for later on.

The pre-made ones use junk crimped fittings.

emwavey

I have the Goodridge... had them for about 3 years, no problems.

tunes12

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Same here.

Evan55

I believe the stoptechs have a rubber (or similar) outer coating which should prevent abrasions and wear-through better than the bare braided steel Goodridge lines.

and a quick reminder- SS lines are not a set and forget part. They require regular checks and maintenence. Are also considered a wear item by many people and replaced every year or 2.

stevel

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elgorey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe the stoptechs have a rubber (or similar) outer coating which should prevent abrasions and wear-through better than the bare braided steel Goodridge lines.

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Goodridge lines have a teflon outer coating to prevent abrasions.

Don't be givin out false info!!

edit: I had Goodridge lines on my EK hatch and the quality and fit were very good. Did several track days without a problem. I will buy them again for my current hatch.

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Willard

what is wrong with your current lines?

old?

civicrr

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Goodridge lines have a teflon outer coating to prevent abrasions.

Don't be givin out false info!!

edit: I had Goodridge lines on my EK hatch and the quality and fit were very good. Did several track days without a problem. I will buy them again for my current hatch.

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Mine don't. Both the ones on the car & the spares in the box do not have a coating like the Stoptech or Nuespeed lines.

travis

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Any more info on this? Is it as easy as making oil lines and fuel lines?

jc836

Personal experience says either Goodridge or Russell. Have had the Goodridge lines on the Prelude for 3+ years-no wear issues at all. Our Civic (sold) had them for over 3 years and no problems either. The Russell lines are on the CRX and they are also perfect. BOth brands are priced about the same, BTW. I have no experience with Stoptech.
Now to the "reusable fittings" part-DON'T. That is an Aeroquip RACE ONLY thing and even at that you want them properly crimped. The major brands of premade will have a plastic sleeve on each end that is part of the assembly-this is part of what makes them DOT legal for street use.
Build your own oil and fuel lines-sure can. Be prepared to spend large chunks for fittings. The hose is reasonably priced even with the SS braided cover. We used a premade line from Autometer for the oil pressure gauge; coiled up what we did not need-works fine. Since we still have a stock gas tank the fuel lines are 'hard' stock steel. If you are doing a cooler there are some premade lines for that application or go with the DYI and/or lines built at a hydraulics/Aeroquip shop.

Just my 2 cents

descartesfool

Here is an interesting post on the benefits and problems inherent in the use of non OEM brake lines. There are interesting points to be made for and against the use of SS brake lines, and definitely some dangers in the use of SS braided lines that do not exist with OEM lines.

http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Pe...s.htm

SS brake lines won't make you go any faster, and the regular OEM lines are quite good. The only benefit is to get a slightly firmer pedal due to the reduction in expansion of the line between the fender and the caliper. Some people think that this (SS braided lines) makes for a big change, while others do not. Better brake pads might be a better investment.

Evan55

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stevel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Goodridge lines have a teflon outer coating to prevent abrasions.

Don't be givin out false info!! </TD></TR></TABLE>
No they dont. I have some on my car right now. Bare steel.
I have helped other people install goodrich lines. Bare steel.
Friends who also have them. Bare steel.
Unless goodrich has recently changed the lines they give people, they are still. Bare steel.


(not to be confused with Blue Steel)


Modified by elgorey at 5:35 PM 12/1/2003

GSpeedR

My goodridges are bare steel. I know that the Neuspeed lines have an outer covering.

.RJ

I bought Earl's SS lines for my integra... also bare steel. Just another data point.

piotrush

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Not old, but an a recent HPDE my pedal felt realy spongy, so I want to make it feel a bit firmer.

Edit: after reading that link I'm starting to doubt if I want to get them.


Modified by piotrush at 5:53 PM 12/1/2003

Reid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elgorey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No they dont. I have some on my car right now. Bare steel.
I have helped other people install goodrich lines. Bare steel.
Friends who also have them. Bare steel.
Unless goodrich has recently changed the lines they give people, they are still. Bare steel.</TD></TR></TABLE>

FWIW, mine are bare steel also.

.RJ

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The lines are not your problem.

emwavey

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Not old, but an a recent HPDE my pedal felt realy spongy, ...
Modified by piotrush at 5:53 PM 12/1/2003</TD></TR></TABLE>

Before, after or during the event?... and are they still feeling spongy.

A few things I've learned... new trackday pads, rotors, on the front and higher temp fluid are your friends.

Like you, when I started I thought SS lines would help solve the sponginess, so I bought a whole "Stillen brake upgrade" package. Unlike you I didn't ask, nor did I know about H-T at the time. Now? I learned there are better upgrades out there for track days. The Stillen stuff may have been fine for street driving, but didn't hold up on a track day event.
The SS lines and the rear crossdrilled rotor are the only things still on the car that work... I like the idea, if it isn't broke, don't spend the time fixing it.

If your brakes feel spongy after a session, make sure you're taking the last lap as the cool-down lap. Not doing so, and I speak from experience, can effect your brake's sponginess. (not my doing, track day with a small car club = no cool down lap apparently). So my "mod" was to try and feel out when we were getting ready to end the session and as long as no one was behind me I slowed a bit... one time I pitted on my own.

Good luck, and do some research (search) on brakes. I'm still learning.

piotrush

they started feeling spongy during the 2nd 30 min. session when I started getting more speed into the first turn. I had a new set of axxis ultimates and they worked great. After the event the brakes didn't feel nearly as spongy as on the track, but not as solid as before.

I got some ate superblue so I'll just do a flush once spring comes and see how it feels then. Anyway, thanks for all the feedback guys.

.RJ

yeah, dont waste the money on lines.

stevel

hmmm, must be new.

i put Goodridge SS lines on my EK hatch back in May and they had an teflon outer hose to protect the bare steel.

i guess it's new.

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JeffS

must be. The goodridge lines I bought about two years ago didn't have a coating. They've held up fine.

descartesfool

You might also want to look at more cooling for your brakes to help them from getting soft (as in fluid in the caliper getting too hot). Here is a link to a brake cooling install.

http://www.sandmracing.com/m_b05_ducts.html

I am still looking for a good cooling kit for the ITR brakes. Does anybody make one?

Bbasso

I also have the SS Goodridge lines on my car for about 5 months, I would never had replaced them but the deal I got was close to free and had no choice but to try them
and mine are bare SSlines- no coating.
Between the lines ATE blue and axxis unltimates pads My pedal is rather stiffer compaired to stock. and the feed back seems to have increased too.

When the deal is too good to pass up you go for it, but if I had to pay full price- I might never had tried them..

ITC Racer

Goodrich makes SS lines in both the covered material and where the SS braid is bare on the outside. Not sure if they offer both versions for all applications in their catalog.

I have some with the reuseable fittings on my car currently and they work well. I would not make these myself due to my inexperience using the fittings since the consequenses can be severe.

SS lines are an excellent upgrade to give a more consistent and firm brake pedal. This would be one of the first upgrades I would do to a race or track car since most stock lines are probably unfit for High performance (IMHO) use due to wear and age.