funkfnamna

there are provisions to allow it to go through the lower part underneath the trunk if additonal bracing is used.
also My head isn't higher than the bars even with a helmet on.
I don't have anymore time for this, so have fun bashing away

TeamSlowdotOrg

Additional bracing was not used. There is no petty bar, therefore your cage is not legal.

Stinkycheezmonky

Some food for though:

First, the proper belt-looping guide, similar to yours, but just to have it here for reference: http://www.sparcousa.com/resourceFiles/36.pdf

Second, this shows the range of acceptability/unacceptability as far as belt angle is concerned:

Grumpy

Dear Sir:

You are so wrong!

Please bring this car to SCCA or NASA where I have been teching cars for over 30 years so I can tell you to go home.


For example:

d'ancrage sont montrées sur le dessin n° 253-42.
Les sangles d'épaules doivent être dirigées en arrière vers le bas
et ne doivent pas être montées de façon à créer un angle de plus
de 45° par rapport à l'horizontale, à partir du bord supérieur du
dossier, et il est conseillé de ne pas dépasser 10°.

You are clearly in violation of this FIA requirement.

CRXSiR71777

Just as an example, this is how close the tubes should be to the roof.
Speaking from experience since this is my car.

jc836

Although the cage looks quite good in these pictures there are several serious issues I have with it. First is the lack of a horizontal bar for the harness located on a plane with the openings in the back of the seat. The Simpson catalog has an excellent drawing of how it should be done. Next is the location of the forward facing halo tubes. They are way too low to be of value except maybe for a drag car. The side ones in particular do not provide any roll-over protection. The downward leg of these tubes is also problematic as to locatio; they should be closer or go thru the dash. The Del Sol is allowed a Petty bar in place of the standard rear facing supports.
Fact is I would not want to be in any type of accident where I might wind up with the car overturned as escape becomes a serious problem with this design. I seriously doubt that any reasonable Tech Inspector would stamp this cage and logbook-but who am I. Check for it. Did I mention that the padding is not the current variety of SFI45-1 hard stuff. And where is the window net. I have no idea where the builder got his drawings from but our CRX in no way resembles what we see here. I also wonder about the FIA thing in this case. Both SCCA and NASA have spelled out exactly what they want and this is not it. Remember there is also a 2" rule for head clearance.
Just my 2 cents

Track rat

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I'm inclined to agree, Just let Darwin do his work with this guy.

That harness mounting should be on FIA's instructions as "whatever you do, don't do it like this".

jisu009

Sweet !

What is the specs on the audio? What size subs are you running?

GBRacing

...nothing like asking for punishment

Sean O'Gorman

1/4 of an inch???? What, were you looking at it through a circus mirror???

Have fun dying in that thing, ricer.

allablur

no he means if you measure it from the picture its a 1/4 of an inch

.RJ

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As much as we like to chastise people for their stupidity, I wouldnt want to see anyone hurt on the street (god forbid that car sees frequent street use) or the track due to poor workmanship and a shoddy cage build.

The owner of the car will probably get very defensive and say the car is legal and call everyone who is saying that it is a poor cage ********, take his ball and go home and just drive the damn thing anyways. But the '********' that are telling you this is a poor cage do it because they have many years race experience and know how a racecar should be built, so take their advice to heart - it could save your life.

Track rat

Well put RJ.

.dave

http://www.ompusa.com/harness_notes.htm

Actual FIA guidelines say no more than 45 degrees. I think it can be assumed this means 45 in either direction, but they don't recommend going over 10.

TeamSlowdotOrg

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Who had a huge wing on his trunk
He went down to tech
The inspector said "Heck!"
"This cage is a pile of junk!"

Sorry. I had to do it.

All kidding aside, at the very least, you should run in by another inspector.
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Dave-ROR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by funkfnamna &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ummm.... too low.....??????. it sits a 1/4 inch from the roof of the car so I don't see how it's too low, or better how a cage could be too low.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I can see at LEAST 1-1.5" of space between the bars are the roof in the pics, it's probably 2" or more in reality. Come on man, the pics are pretty obvious on that point.

Marauder

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I can see at LEAST 1-1.5" of space between the bars are the roof in the pics, it's probably 2" or more in reality. Come on man, the pics are pretty obvious on that point.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No kidding! Look like you can stick your arm between the roof and the cage!

Look at the first pic, with the window rolled down, look like you can still stick your arm between the top of the door frame and the cage!

That cage is gonna kill someone!

bb6h22a

Numerous errors made here; namely, getting into a debate with someone who's car has got to be the vehicular equivalent of a anorexic cross dressing hermaphrodite with a garnish of multiple personality disorder. But, I digress.

Nonetheless, a resolution to this thread is simple.

Here goes:

"Never argue with idiots; first they'll drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience."

Mr Hammond

RAD - The best movie.
Ever.

Rock the **** on!!!!!



Oh yeah, and uhhh have your cage checked out and stuff.

kb58

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by funkfnamna &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the cage was made by a steward at a shop owned by a cermont region SCCA tech inspector and he approved the cage before it was done and after. if you guys b=would read the FIA specs that I posted in the other thread you would see that it is proper and you can't say anything about where the harnesses are going to sit without seeing the driver in that car. I've noticed alot of you "H-T Experts" make up your own **** and don't really know anything. The cage and harness setup in the care are done to the 03 GCR, cause thats when it was done and to the current FIA specs. Say whatever any of you like but I know its done right and if you knew anything you would know the same.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are violating every seatbelt manufacturer's installation instructions. Argue with that. Oh, and when... no, if, you ever show up at a Real event, you will not be allowed on track. Argue with that.

stormy

it's nice to see all the love given in this forum

If a steward signs it off and he wants to drive in it like that it's really only hurting himself



this pic is nice but what the owner did'nt mention is the roof is probably permanently attached now since to get one in my car that close would require removing the latching mechanism (since I am kinda tall I wanted to do this anyway since my helmet would rattle off the tubing) which is kinda a big draw back on a t top car for the street.

also the nascar bars don't seem to extend into the door cavity, nor is the drivers side door brace mid way between the shoulder and elbow

I really don't like the cage and I would feel unsafe in the car for sure but I am perplexed by the owners refusal to add a cross bar for a better harness mouting, and why go through the vents so the dash can never be removed also baffles me.

here are some better pics of another cage for spacing reference to people who asked

it was designed by the owner for when he converted it to RHD and the cross bar is perfect height for floor mounted aftermarket seats otherwise it's got good and bad points

Stinkycheezmonky

Yer pics aren't working.

Goullish

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Cages aren't meant for the street. Not saying I wouldn't cage a street car, if I was forced to, but, you have to expect a lot, a whole lot, of loss in functionality of street features, such as the top. But you knew that.

Erik95LS

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RAD - The best movie.
Ever.

Rock the **** on!!!!!

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Could not possibly agree more. The big race at the end is killer.

And as all the other people here have said. You really to rethnk that cage. I can't think of a single intelligent person that would be caught dead in that car. But then again being in that car creates a high chance of dying so maybe they would.

black3door

Can i ask why some of you on here are so HELL BENT into getting other people to listen to you even tho what you are saying is right?

You did your part by bringing the issues out and the corresponding correction procedure. Whether he listens or choose to take action or not is HIS PROBLEM.

so maybe he has a death wish, who are we to stop him.

I'm all for educating people, I'm just not that insistent on making people listen..you can't cure every idiot on this planet you know