Built myself a paint booth.
10-28-2008, 08:15 AM
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i graduated from wyotech in the field and i always live by the fact that u can b successful if u put effort and time into it. u only get out of it what u put into it.
10-28-2008, 08:52 AM
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No I don't want to do it because of thinking i'll make 100k a year. Fact is i'd be happy just to make enough money to have my own house and beable to take care of myself. I was just suprised it was possible to make that much money. I don't think most people realize how much money it's possible to be made from this field.
I imagine myself as being one of the best in the field one day by working very hard. I am very ambitious I plan on moving up and expanding knowledge and practices constantly. Life is a progressing learning experience and knowledge is truely power. I have always been an extremely good artist. I love creating things and working with my hands. And love seeing the product that comes out in the end. I imagine one day my cars being fantastic unique works of art like piccaso.
But to me even a simple shiney paint-job is something beautiful to behold. I will use my intelligence, philosophy, and unique insights to quicky progress and be very succesful in life. And not only that but use many different means to make money, and build systems of making money for me. And one day working on cars will probably just be a really fun hobby. But right now it's a very realistic means of getting started in life and being able to take care of myself. And then anything is possible!
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I imagine myself as being one of the best in the field one day by working very hard. I am very ambitious I plan on moving up and expanding knowledge and practices constantly. Life is a progressing learning experience and knowledge is truely power. I have always been an extremely good artist. I love creating things and working with my hands. And love seeing the product that comes out in the end. I imagine one day my cars being fantastic unique works of art like piccaso.
But to me even a simple shiney paint-job is something beautiful to behold. I will use my intelligence, philosophy, and unique insights to quicky progress and be very succesful in life. And not only that but use many different means to make money, and build systems of making money for me. And one day working on cars will probably just be a really fun hobby. But right now it's a very realistic means of getting started in life and being able to take care of myself. And then anything is possible!
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10-28-2008, 10:18 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99sohcaccord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i always live by the fact that u can b successful if u put effort and time into it. u only get out of it what u put into it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That is very true.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lifesmystery »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No I don't want to do it because of thinking i'll make 100k a year. I don't think most people realize how much money it's possible to be made from this field.
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The same can be said for any field.
You can make 100K doing anything you want, though. Find a niche and go for it.
If I had to do it all over again I would go to a trade/technical school out of high school instead of the regular university setting. I thought I could convince myself to grow into a "professional" type of white-collar career -- but here I am 7 years later and still day dreaming in class about getting my hands dirty.
The one thing that kept me from doing it back then was the old saying "don't make your hobby your career" - I've seen one too many guys burned out that way.
That is very true.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lifesmystery »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No I don't want to do it because of thinking i'll make 100k a year. I don't think most people realize how much money it's possible to be made from this field.
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The same can be said for any field.
You can make 100K doing anything you want, though. Find a niche and go for it.
If I had to do it all over again I would go to a trade/technical school out of high school instead of the regular university setting. I thought I could convince myself to grow into a "professional" type of white-collar career -- but here I am 7 years later and still day dreaming in class about getting my hands dirty.
The one thing that kept me from doing it back then was the old saying "don't make your hobby your career" - I've seen one too many guys burned out that way.
10-28-2008, 02:13 PM
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Thats some great work you've done! I did my EF sedan and I got tons of orange peel but it was my first time ever painting a car! I just bought some guns on ebay and went for it! I save myself about $400 and learned to aprreciate the work I have done to my car! Live and learn right?!
10-28-2008, 06:29 PM
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just a quick suggestion... if you ground your PVC frame (and the car too if you wanna go all out) you might fix that whole problem of static and extra wet sanding.... kinda like when painting a vette.. grounding the car keeps the static down a LOT
10-28-2008, 06:58 PM
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Just looked over the first page so this may have been addressed further, if not here I go. If you plan to do this commercially at your house you may want to think a few things over.
1. That is a MAJOR Health Code violation.
2. That is a MAJOR Fire Code violation.
3. That is a seriously MAJOR EPA violation. Will even be worse if you do not have the proper gun cleaning equipment.
I will not even touch on the many possible local and state violations that are there.
There are reasons why paint shops have a real booth, they do not want to get fined or go to jail or namely both.
If it was a single owner all the above would be minimized or eliminated. But for you to run it as a business set up like that... your begging for trouble.
All it will take is for one neighbor to complain and your on swimming in sh*t creek. I implore you to really rethink this location.
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1. That is a MAJOR Health Code violation.
2. That is a MAJOR Fire Code violation.
3. That is a seriously MAJOR EPA violation. Will even be worse if you do not have the proper gun cleaning equipment.
I will not even touch on the many possible local and state violations that are there.
There are reasons why paint shops have a real booth, they do not want to get fined or go to jail or namely both.
If it was a single owner all the above would be minimized or eliminated. But for you to run it as a business set up like that... your begging for trouble.
All it will take is for one neighbor to complain and your on swimming in sh*t creek. I implore you to really rethink this location.
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10-29-2008, 05:19 PM
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you must be a city official or something man, mind your business let the guy do his thing. Sweet deal bro, i been trying to find something at lowes and homedepot to make 4 posts that i can put up and take down quickly because i paint in my garage as well, lol That is super sweet
Hope your using a bigger compressor too
That is super sweet Hope your using a bigger compressor too
10-29-2008, 07:24 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rukusmasta2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you must be a city official or something man, mind your business let the guy do his thing. </TD></TR></TABLE>
What if you caught somebody pouring oil down a drain? Would you "mind your own business"?? It's a stretch to make that kind of comparison, but the ethics behind the idea are the same.
What if you caught somebody pouring oil down a drain? Would you "mind your own business"?? It's a stretch to make that kind of comparison, but the ethics behind the idea are the same.
10-30-2008, 03:56 PM
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10-30-2008, 08:31 PM
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No I am not a city official.
But I do know the law.
What he plans on doing is HIGHLY ILLEGAL. It comes down with jail time and heavy fines in the tens of thousands of dollars. Don't believe me go call a real paint shop and ask them about illegally painting a car. It does not matter who I am all it takes is one person to complain and he is in some SERIOUS DEEP trouble. I am doing nothing but warning him and ask him to use his given brain to think about this twice. Like I said all it takes is one person to report him either to the cops or even the EPA and he is royally screwed.
Like I said, if it were a homeowner doing his own cars every once in a while that is one thing, but he intends to run this as a business, that changes the rules considerably. That means he has to follow EPA guidelines to the letter, which he clearly will not be doing.
All it takes is the cops to show up after a complaint and run the VIN/plates and the first car that comes back as not his they are forced to call the EPA and report it. They do not have a choice. If they do not and the person that called goes to follow up, that cop is out of a job.
But I do know the law.
What he plans on doing is HIGHLY ILLEGAL. It comes down with jail time and heavy fines in the tens of thousands of dollars. Don't believe me go call a real paint shop and ask them about illegally painting a car. It does not matter who I am all it takes is one person to complain and he is in some SERIOUS DEEP trouble. I am doing nothing but warning him and ask him to use his given brain to think about this twice. Like I said all it takes is one person to report him either to the cops or even the EPA and he is royally screwed.
Like I said, if it were a homeowner doing his own cars every once in a while that is one thing, but he intends to run this as a business, that changes the rules considerably. That means he has to follow EPA guidelines to the letter, which he clearly will not be doing.
All it takes is the cops to show up after a complaint and run the VIN/plates and the first car that comes back as not his they are forced to call the EPA and report it. They do not have a choice. If they do not and the person that called goes to follow up, that cop is out of a job.
10-30-2008, 08:40 PM
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actually pouring oil down the drain is about on par pollution wise to what the painter will be doing. The oil will just have a faster damage reaction in the environment.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostedtsi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No I am not a city official.
But I do know the law.
What he plans on doing is HIGHLY ILLEGAL. It comes down with jail time and heavy fines in the tens of thousands of dollars. Don't believe me go call a real paint shop and ask them about illegally painting a car. It does not matter who I am all it takes is one person to complain and he is in some SERIOUS DEEP trouble. I am doing nothing but warning him and ask him to use his given brain to think about this twice. Like I said all it takes is one person to report him either to the cops or even the EPA and he is royally screwed.
Like I said, if it were a homeowner doing his own cars every once in a while that is one thing, but he intends to run this as a business, that changes the rules considerably. That means he has to follow EPA guidelines to the letter, which he clearly will not be doing.
All it takes is the cops to show up after a complaint and run the VIN/plates and the first car that comes back as not his they are forced to call the EPA and report it. They do not have a choice. If they do not and the person that called goes to follow up, that cop is out of a job.
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it all depends. Just about every state has breeze period. Meaning they will give you a warning and give you 20-30 days to be EPA complient. For a home business that is not enough time unless you have the funds to comply. But at least they give you time to change instead of just slapping the law on you.
But I do know the law.
What he plans on doing is HIGHLY ILLEGAL. It comes down with jail time and heavy fines in the tens of thousands of dollars. Don't believe me go call a real paint shop and ask them about illegally painting a car. It does not matter who I am all it takes is one person to complain and he is in some SERIOUS DEEP trouble. I am doing nothing but warning him and ask him to use his given brain to think about this twice. Like I said all it takes is one person to report him either to the cops or even the EPA and he is royally screwed.
Like I said, if it were a homeowner doing his own cars every once in a while that is one thing, but he intends to run this as a business, that changes the rules considerably. That means he has to follow EPA guidelines to the letter, which he clearly will not be doing.
All it takes is the cops to show up after a complaint and run the VIN/plates and the first car that comes back as not his they are forced to call the EPA and report it. They do not have a choice. If they do not and the person that called goes to follow up, that cop is out of a job.
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it all depends. Just about every state has breeze period. Meaning they will give you a warning and give you 20-30 days to be EPA complient. For a home business that is not enough time unless you have the funds to comply. But at least they give you time to change instead of just slapping the law on you.
10-31-2008, 01:32 PM
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I have seen this situation before.
The Police are called. They verify what is going on.
They call both the local EPA office (Requirement) and the local Heath Inspector (Required) and possibly call the City Code Inspector.
If that happens and it is found that you are running an unauthorized business in an area that is not designated for such activity, they will immediately put a halt to everything going on and begin an investigation of who owns the property, who is playing what role in the offense and most likely deal out charges and fines if it is found that the person knew that they were breaking the law. Ignorance is not your friend here, it is no defense.
The Heath Inspector shows up, does his inspection and shuts it down until things are brought up to code. However, they can also bring charges and fines immediately given the nature of the chemicals that he will be using.
The EPA shows up and does basically the same thing. They however may conduct an investigation or do a field ruling depending on the severity of the chemicals being used (which they all automotive paint is VOC controlled substance waterbourne may be the only one that is not - so that is not a good thing). And upon that investigation/field finding they may arrest, fine, ticket you accordingly.
The breeze period depends on the nature, severity and willing participation of the offense. In all instances, claiming innocence through ignorance will land you squarely in jail. And being that he is a graduate of a body refinishing school, he knows all the hazmat precautions and health precautions given with the chemicals that he is using, so it will simply make it look like an intentional and willful breaking of the law.
This is what I am desperately trying to get this OP to understand. I however will not continue to harp over it except to respond to other posts about mine where I delve into the legal consequences.
The Police are called. They verify what is going on.
They call both the local EPA office (Requirement) and the local Heath Inspector (Required) and possibly call the City Code Inspector.
If that happens and it is found that you are running an unauthorized business in an area that is not designated for such activity, they will immediately put a halt to everything going on and begin an investigation of who owns the property, who is playing what role in the offense and most likely deal out charges and fines if it is found that the person knew that they were breaking the law. Ignorance is not your friend here, it is no defense.
The Heath Inspector shows up, does his inspection and shuts it down until things are brought up to code. However, they can also bring charges and fines immediately given the nature of the chemicals that he will be using.
The EPA shows up and does basically the same thing. They however may conduct an investigation or do a field ruling depending on the severity of the chemicals being used (which they all automotive paint is VOC controlled substance waterbourne may be the only one that is not - so that is not a good thing). And upon that investigation/field finding they may arrest, fine, ticket you accordingly.
The breeze period depends on the nature, severity and willing participation of the offense. In all instances, claiming innocence through ignorance will land you squarely in jail. And being that he is a graduate of a body refinishing school, he knows all the hazmat precautions and health precautions given with the chemicals that he is using, so it will simply make it look like an intentional and willful breaking of the law.
This is what I am desperately trying to get this OP to understand. I however will not continue to harp over it except to respond to other posts about mine where I delve into the legal consequences.
11-03-2008, 12:28 AM
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im a bit confused as to why youd build such a thing? you obviously have painted in a booth before. so why would you build this contraption if you know its not going to work near as well as a cross or downdraft booth? i mean what do you use to get the fumes out...the fact that your ceiling is exposed is also alarming...im not trying to be an *******. please dont read it that way. im just wondering why youd make this if you obviously know what youre doing(going from the pics of your work)?
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