Nicknyce

ive had 2 cobalts already and neither has had 1 single problem. i take care of my **** and it takes care of me, just like any other car. ecotecs are beasts....

leoaa777

09' Cobalt SS owner checking in. I have a warranty bumper to bumper for 48,000 miles and powertrain for 10 years, 100,000 miles. Whatever issues I have, it is covered.


A stock Sti runs this 13.4@102.3, notice mph. Stock SS runs from 13.5 (fastest)-13.9 (most common) with slightly higher trapping speed... (103-105mph)

Unless they are running from a dig, the 3,395 lb Sti will be struggling to keep up with the 2975 lbs SS.

Ubar Jay

So you're saying because it traps 0.7 mph higher, on paper, it's faster from a roll? That's bench racing at its finest.....

Bench racing from a roll to show your car is faster - useless
Comparing FWD hp #'s to a car with 3 diffs and AWD - useless
Comparing curb weight of a 4 door, AWD, sports sedan to a 2 door coupe - useless

I hate being a fan boi, (especially since I don't even drive one anymore) but hate misinformation with a passion. The STi is and never will be competitive from a roll.
It's common knowledge anything after 80mph you have a better chance of getting out and pushing.

I'm sure the Cobalt is a fun/sporty car. But please stop comparing it to another car that's nothing like it.

sgtalda

drove a 2009 sstc a few weeks ago and i must say the no lift shift seems to be a pretty cool feature, didnt drive it long enough to get the feel of it though

integraa972

hahahaha look at all the colbalt fanboys lol

RynoDyno312

15 year old Hondas are the sheeeet, yo. Who wants to run 13s box stock, huge power with little modding, and a car that outlaps EVOs when you can have an EF?!?!

leoaa777

I am not bench racing. I am speaking from experience. Stock Sti vs my stock SS, sti's owner's face was priceless when I walked him...not by a lot but definitely a win. Same as any year Mustang GTs, Mazdaspeed3s, GTIs, 350z, SRT-4s etc.

Just because its 10k more it doesn't mean its faster (from a roll lol, since its not really a race unless they keep on it past 110-120)

The no-lift shift is definitely a race breaker between turbo cars. I keep my boost (15-16 psi) constant depending on the gear while they have to "reload" lol.

bsmith100

Why shouldn't people compare?

In series like the Speed World Challenge FWD, RWD, and AWD cars all race together.

Ubar Jay

They're nothing alike. Plain and simple.

Two totally different platforms based on two totally different concepts. Apples to oranges. There's always going to be that well what if or well if you modded it then...... when people compare.

Telling me you have a 2,900lb fwd, 2 door coupe does not impress me. Telling me you have a 2,900lb AWD, 4 door sedan, I'd throw my hands up and kiss your feet.

Apples to oranges.

Comparing one cars standards to another is just plain weaksauce.
Trying to justify how one car is better than the other solely because it did one thing better is an unfair comparsion. People just look at the facts and easily dismissed one as being "better" when in reality, that's not the truth.

I'd look at a car knowing what my needs and wants are. Then make my decision on which is better suited for me.



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In the Speed World Challenge I can understand. The cars (in their respective classes) are restricted to their respective power output, chassis modifications, tire choice, etc. etc.
These cars are setup for one particular event.

Unlike mass produced cars from the factory which are made for a variety of driving conditions.

BMWLOVE100

very pretty car to wait for

Whats Up DOHC

LMAO ur an idiot


One the STI is like 3400#. I don't even know if there are ANY turbo 4WD cars that weigh less than 3000# on the market now, or even in the past 10 years.

Second of all why would you be impressed by a slower car simply because of its hardware? IIRC the Cobalt laps the Ring faster than the STi- STOCK. Then to boot, from a dig it will keep up with the STi through the quarter mile, again, STOCK. To me, at least performance wise, the Cobalt is much more impressive than the STi, and to say otherwise just speaks to illogical fanboyism.

That said, of the two I would get the STi, simply because I live in the Northeast, I personally just like the look and sound of it better and I feel the Cobalt looks + feels cheap (outside of the powertrain). But I still give respect where its due... stock to stock the Cobalt is just a better performer

Ubar Jay

Resorting to name calling just makes you look juvenile and uneducated. Especially if you can't spell you're.

Please re-read my post.

I never once said the sti was 2,900lbs. NEVER.

I said, you cannot compare the weight of a 2 door, fwd coupe to that of a AWD, 4 door sedan and be impressed because that car weighs less. Sure the coupe weighs less, but only because it has half as many doors and half the drivetrain as the sedan.

EVO-STi

Those 2 cars have the same layout and would be evenly compared to each other. (both have 4 doors, both have awd and both come equipped with a turbocharger from the factory)


You just answered your own question.

No doubt in my mind the cobalt is a fun car and quicker then most for the money. I will say flat out the STi is not the holy grail. I know its shortcomings and its strengths. If all I cared about was drag racing, it wouldn't be my first choice.



/Staying out of this thread

leoaa777

What he said....oh and I am buying the tune soon.

leoaa777

You obviously have not driven one.

Morasso

i love the comparison to a wrx.

So your 2 door coupe can barely beat, in a straight line, a 3000lb+ 4 door sedan...

great job...

RynoDyno312

Almost everything weighs over 3000lbs nowadays, and the number of doors on either car is completely irrelvant.

What are you trying to say?

Morasso

Not the 2 door Cobalt, and the number of doors isnt irrelevant considering more doors = more weight.

I'm trying to say that the argument that a cobalt is slightly faster than WRX and then running around acting like its the greatest value of all time is only half of the story.

They're 2 different cars and the Cobalt, which is considered a sports car by word of people in this thread, is only slightly faster in a straight line than a 4 door subaru WRX sedan, which isnt even the top trim of the impreza. Unlike the SS Turbocharged which is the "best" Cobalt you can get.

So using that argument as a means to convince people that its a "worthy" car is retarded.

RynoDyno312

The G35/G37 coupe is heavier than the sedan. The CTS and Accord both weigh basically the same in coupe and sedan form. The only reason the M3 coupe is loighter than the sedan is it has a carbon fiber roof and no sunroof.

Being a coupe or a sedan doesn't make a car weigh more or less.

Whats Up DOHC

I don't think anyone is arguing that the Cobalt is the better car here

And it was being compared to the STI... at least from post #27 on

I was wrong about it being faster than an STI around the ring... but it is faster than the WRX (which weighs the same)

And faster than the STI in a straight line, from a dig, which is impressive given its specs.

Again nobody said the Cobalt is BETTER... I would NEVER buy a Cobalt over even a base WRX... but it is faster, and at least in stock form a real threat to both a base and STI WRX at a light and on the racetrack. Given the cars' class that is pretty important.

leoaa777

Hey look, this guy actually read the thread.

leoaa777

Test. Cobalt.

mattyfo0z

They don't look too bad when wingless + lowered IMO, and considering the interior is much more attractive in comparison to an SRT4, I'd steer toward the Cobalt if I had to decide between the two.

__oversea

yes, between srt4 and SS, of course SS.

not bad for what you pay.

however, those two are not even on my list. lol

fuko

the Cobalt SS/TC is an impressive fwd coupe no doubt, but if we were to be spewing numbers and bench race i say just get an Evo 9 since they could be had for cheap nowadays. although they're pigs from the factory, they could make a ton of power (its easy to hit 400+awhp with only bolt ons and meth/E85, trapping 120mph+), handle and brake well, and could actually put down the power.

for example, the record for the fastest stock turbo/stock block Evo 9 @410awhp
10.8@123mph

if you count stock "appearing" turbo (ex. FP Red - stock [TD05 16G] frame with a 30R wheel), the record is 9.53@145mph. but really, who cares about drag racing? hell, my GSX-R1000 is capable of doing almost 150mph traps stock, but nobody cares because its apple vs. oranges.


here is some concrete info on the C&D Lightning Laps

SS/TC (2008)
lap time at VIR - 3:13.0
max speed - 126.9mph

Evo 9 MR (2006)
lap time at VIR - 3:13.5
max speed - 124.0mph

not to say the Cobalt doesn't handle well, but it would be fair to say that it edged out the Evo at VIR because of its straight line power, as 3mph is quite a big margin. i'm going to try to dig through my old magazine stash to see and compare the detailed numbers on peak lateral G's and corner speeds between the 2.

fuko

actually, scratch all the econoboxes that were suggested in this thread, [given the price] give me a C5 Z06