AV8TER

AP2v1 FTW

LAMBO-LS

^^ thank you... Why not? Just bc its still driven on the street w/out airbag? Would you like it if it was only driven on track, then it would be cool or accetable? Im just curious is all, not trying to be a dick.

BC in my head, air bag is to protect you from hitting head on steering wheel with stock single strap seatbelt. Now I have a Recaro seat, aftermarket harness, once you put the harness on your pretty much WEARING your car. The chances of me hitting my head on the steering wheel are pretty limited unless I smash a wall hard enough head on to crush the front end enough to push dash to me. And if this does happen, and im traveling at a speed great enough to move dash that far for me to impact it then (in my head) i would prob be dead anyway bc of the sheer momentum and force involved with moving the dash that far to strike me.

So please let me see it from another side. Is my way of thinking that "wrong" then? Im no wizzard, just giving my side and thought process.

skater5067

The reason a cage kills people if you use it on the street is if you get in a accident without a helmet on and your head hits a bar you will prob die. As for the harness on a street driven car would be in the case of an accident it would be much harder to get your self out of the car if needed. At a track there are tons of people there to help if anything went wrong.

LAMBO-LS

Ok so if I'm driving a car without a roll cage and get into a wreck I couldn't hit my head on lets say the door jam if it caved in, it's made out of metal too right? I'm just saying this because I believe this is a very opinionated subject, not really a real "right" or "wrong" answer. More like what if's....

And with harness, it's all directly in front of me. Not off to the side tucked aginst my center console and under the side lip of my bucket racing seat, I had to use a screwdriver to get out if stock seat belt ( that was more dangerous to me the anything else) so that's why I put harness in. And a cage just seems a lil safer then driving wit top down and all that's gonna save me from a roll over is....

Boots

the roll bars are actually really good on this car...and it wouldnt matter if the tops down or not, its made out of denim with some tiny *** bars....

LAMBO-LS

@boots what style cave are you talkin about that's made out of denim? Cuz Ive seen the cuosco cages and a mugen roll bar but that's it. Just curious if I didn't research enough on company's that made cages.

HondaKyle

400 isn't much in the s2000 nowadays. You should look into safety a little bit more and make get wider not stretched tires if you don't want traction computers.

LAMBO-LS

Well its 430 not 400, not much nowadays? Really? Whats yours got? DO you even OWN a S2k? Cuz last time I checked 430 on stock pipes is pretty good, but hey I obviously have no idea what I am speaking about.

Werent you the one who commented a while back about how I shouldnt have a cage or harness in my car? But now I should look into saftey more?
So what saftey should I be looking into there you WIZARD you? Wider tires? I have 10.5 wide rims, last time I checked that was the biggest CCW made... And again what does a wider tire have to do with anything about me having better traction?
Your comments are worthless and pointless, maybe if you want to come with a valid point that has to do with this thread then maybe I will enteratain your nonsense, but untill then kid, kick rocks cuz all your doing is wasting everybodys time by posting your stupidity in this thread.....

ReddotsS2K

I just hate the thought of modding a newer s2000 so heavily. I think it's because I'm a broke *** though and since I try to save as much money as possible i would start with a cheaper car.

HondaKyle

Ive had my S2000 for about 5 years now. My old turbo setup had 400 horse but that wasnt enough power. wider tires? better tires? I wouldnt look into a wider rim. Im not a rim and tire expert. I still have stock ap1 rims on my S2000 with 255 tires. Why do you want a cage in your car? Have you even been to the track yet and I highly doubt your S2000 will flip over unless you are doing some real stupid ****. You have a 10.5 in wide rim with what tire size? I could put a 225 on a 10.5 wide rim and it would be pointless or I could put a 255 on a 7.5 inch wide rim and make the whole lot of difference. depending on if its a good tire or not.

Imagine a sphere with your head at the center of it -- now extend it out 18-24 inches in every direction. In even a moderate-speed collision, with either a harness or a 3-point belt, your head is liable to crack itself open on anything in that sphere. That includes your A-pillar, B-pillar and the (sharp, hard) rolled steel edge along the roofline above the window. It also includes big parts of any roll bar, and a lot of the sections of a cage. High-density padding will reduce the amount of injury caused by impact with anything you come in contact with.


Unit body cars by design fold and absorb energy upon collision. Cages on the other hand are rigid and transfer energy. Having a rigid passenger compartment prevents intrusion into that compartment but when a full cage that extends beyond that compartment, to say the suspension, then the energy gets transfered to the passenger area and the safety zone provided by a unit body crumple zone gets compromised.


I've posted links to low-speed sled tests with harnesses that are eye-opening. Your head and limbs go everywhere.

I make zero HP. motor isnt in the car yet. Here are some stuff off the top of my head for little kid build. Im aiming for 450 on low boost and 700 for at the track and hope to get into 9s. I know I have more for it but cant recall some parts.

6262sp turbo
CP pistons
Inline pro rods
darton sleeves
Tial waste gate
tial 55mm BOV
RCautoworks sider winder ehxuast manifold
RCautoworks down pipe and dump tube
hondata Kpro
hondata map sensor
Full-Race 5 foot extension harness
comp clutch and pressure plate
koyo rad
ap2 valve retainers
ID1000 injectors
dual 255 fuel pumps

and a have a bride and buddy club seat because I'm jdm.

Here are some shitty pics of my ****.







I'm ignorant.

njn63

-The stock rollover protection in the s2000 is more than adequate. Very few organizations even require a roll bar for the s2000 despite it being a convertible.
-Cusco is junk, you'd be safer without it. No idea what the Mugen bar looks like but I'm sure it's about 5x more expensive than it should be.
-If you want a roll bar, Hard Dog makes a quality product. I don't have the s2000 version but I've had 2 different Hard Dog roll bars in the Miata and they were great: http://www.bethania-garage.com/s2000.htm
-If you want a cage, find a good cage builder that builds things to SCCA/NASA spec. Unless you're gutting the doors and putting door bars in I don't see the point though.
Um... he said wider tires, not wheels. What size/model tire is on that rim?
Are you serious?

LAMBO-LS

[QUOTE=HondaKyle;45190664]Ive had my S2000 for about 5 years now. My old turbo setup had 400 horse but that wasnt enough power. wider tires? better tires? I wouldnt look into a wider rim. Im not a rim and tire expert. I still have stock ap1 rims on my S2000 with 255 tires. Why do you want a cage in your car? Have you even been to the track yet and I highly doubt your S2000 will flip over unless you are doing some real stupid ****. You have a 10.5 in wide rim with what tire size? I could put a 225 on a 10.5 wide rim and it would be pointless or I could put a 255 on a 7.5 inch wide rim and make the whole lot of difference. depending on if its a good tire or not.

**Currently at work and can not remember off the top of my head, but yes they are stretched, but thats not the point of why i started the thread, VSA not actual traction problem....

Imagine a sphere with your head at the center of it -- now extend it out 18-24 inches in every direction. In even a moderate-speed collision, with either a harness or a 3-point belt, your head is liable to crack itself open on anything in that sphere. That includes your A-pillar, B-pillar and the (sharp, hard) rolled steel edge along the roofline above the window. It also includes big parts of any roll bar, and a lot of the sections of a cage. High-density padding will reduce the amount of injury caused by impact with anything you come in contact with.

**Ok so you wouldnt do the same with a stock seat belt? It will still send you flying fowward. I dont see how your point helps with keeping the stock seat belts, either way you hit somthing you will fly foward in whatever direction. But post them again any way if you dont mind I would like to see them


Unit body cars by design fold and absorb energy upon collision. Cages on the other hand are rigid and transfer energy. Having a rigid passenger compartment prevents intrusion into that compartment but when a full cage that extends beyond that compartment, to say the suspension, then the energy gets transfered to the passenger area and the safety zone provided by a unit body crumple zone gets compromised.


I've posted links to low-speed sled tests with harnesses that are eye-opening. Your head and limbs go everywhere.

I make zero HP. motor isnt in the car yet. Here are some stuff off the top of my head for little kid build. Im aiming for 450 on low boost and 700 for at the track and hope to get into 9s. I know I have more for it but cant recall some parts.

6262sp turbo
CP pistons
Inline pro rods
darton sleeves
Tial waste gate
tial 55mm BOV
RCautoworks sider winder ehxuast manifold
RCautoworks down pipe and dump tube
hondata Kpro
hondata map sensor
Full-Race 5 foot extension harness
comp clutch and pressure plate
koyo rad
ap2 valve retainers
ID1000 injectors
dual 255 fuel pumps

and a have a bride and buddy club seat because I'm jdm.

Here are some shitty pics of my ****.

**Sounds pretty close to mine, we chose alot of similar parts, IMHO I would pick a different clutch, mine sucks and i got the same... Ive read alot of hit or miss on the comp clutches, but im sure you know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LAMBO-LS
And again what does a wider tire have to do with anything about me having better traction?

Are you serious?

**what I was getting at what does this have to do with my VSA problem, didnt actually mean what does a "wider" tire have to do with traction. (Sorry I tend to think it in my head while i write it and seem to miss that other people cant read what im thinking.. lol)

**I started the thread asking about VSA, not should I get a cage or harnes, or is it safer, or how wide are my tires etc, so hopefully you undestand the resoning behind my sarcasim and smart ***'ness that I posted.

marshman

IBTL

LAMBO-LS

what does that mean?

bigmacnfries

in before thread lock i believe.

But i don't think mods will lock it - eventually someone will help you..

maybe..

ReddotsS2K

Posts will just be deleted. OP, keep us posted. I'm curious for the answer.

HondaKyle

learn to quote a post. Yes, that is what happens in a crash and you have the airbags to stop you and dont have bars in front of your face. I'm not gonna sift threw the rest of that jumble of words. Remember you are the one who came off as a dick first. No one was trying to fight or insult you. I'm done wasting my time.

camoy

Man Kyle that is some serious junk you are running there

LAMBO-LS

My bad Idk how to quote mutiple things, or sections so I can comment on parts.. again none of ur comments were towards the problem at hand on the reason I created the thread. I wouldn't say a dick but maybe more of a smartass, I can be a dick and it's nothing like that...

But I am still looking for advice, hard to find ppl that will do alignments on lowered cars...

HondaKyle

Have you checked S2ki?

bigmacnfries

Sounds like you may have found the answer though - get that alignment checked out asap

LAMBO-LS

Found a guy but he works a full time job so I gotta wait in line...

bigmacnfries

report back dude.

LAMBO-LS

Still waiting as soon as somthing happens I'll let ya know. Gotta get a new clutch while I'm at it, starting to slip real bad..... Any suggestions on on that will hold 500+and not a competion clutch either I have one... Thanks again ahead of time

HondaKyle

Science of Speed Billet Twin Carbon Clutch & Flywheel

http://www.scienceofspeed.com/produc...carbon_clutch/