xc1097

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Techno Tonis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this car is wayyyy too overhyped imo.

some people are acting like this car is going to be god's gift to honda enthiusasts.

sorry, but the heavens are not going to part and a ray of golden light is going to beam down a 500 hp, ferrari killer.

how is this car supposed ot be different between any of the S2000's anyone already owns?

lets see... you could maybe spend 5, maybe 10k max on your already existing S, or for people who don't own one... buy an ap1 for around 17-18 and do the same..

or for probally around what is going to be upwards of 40k, buy a CR. (insert guy getting hit over the head with a mallet symbol, because i can't find it!!)

im not saying its not going to be cool as ****..but... how much better can it be? they are not completly redesigning the car...just adding.. maybe 15-20 hp to the engine, imo. </TD></TR></TABLE>

so you are saying ITR is same car as GS-R with 5k worth of mods?
oh wait, you drive gs-r so you wouldn't know

you can swap engine, add more power, increase rigidity and all but it will never be the same.

eightiesfan

Everything up to this point is just a rumor, how can you say it's overhyped? What if it ends up having a fixed roof? Whatever happens I think it's cool that Honda is releasing ANY S2000's at this point, let alone a special edition. I can't wait to see it.

Nuts

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The article says premanent hardtop. That would suggest that the car no longer has a soft top.</TD></TR></TABLE>

which article?

Techno Tonis

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xc1097 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

so you are saying ITR is same car as GS-R with 5k worth of mods?
oh wait, you drive gs-r so you wouldn't know

you can swap engine, add more power, increase rigidity and all but it will never be the same. </TD></TR></TABLE>

all a Type-R is, is a seriously striped down GS-R, plus a slightly better compression ratio. seriously.

so i am fairly confident that yes, if i spent about $5,000 in mods.. my GS-R would match a Type-R, and be much more refined.

2 of my buddies own Type-R's, and i have driven them...quite a bit, and yeah they are nice but.. i love my GS-R so much more. The GS-R is 100x Smoother, and i would take it over a Type-R anyday.

S@nt0s

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all a Type-R is, is a seriously striped down GS-R, plus a slightly better compression ratio. seriously.

so i am fairly confident that yes, if i spent about $5,000 in mods.. my GS-R would match a Type-R, and be much more refined.

2 of my buddies own Type-R's, and i have driven them...quite a bit, and yeah they are nice but.. i love my GS-R so much more. The GS-R is 100x Smoother, and i would take it over a Type-R anyday. </TD></TR></TABLE>

u do knwo theres more then just more comp in the motor right?
rear sub frame is also different.
now comparing it to a GSR isnt a good one.. a RS on the other hand is different..
the ITR was built off the RS chassis/shell.... the ITR will hold its value unlike the GSR..... but to each their own.
YES you can get any DC chassis to do the same or better then a ITR but its those lil #'s on the VIN that will put $ in your pocket

Techno Tonis

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S@nt0s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

u do knwo theres more then just more comp in the motor right?
rear sub frame is also different.
now comparing it to a GSR isnt a good one.. a RS on the other hand is different..
the ITR was built off the RS chassis/shell.... the ITR will hold its value unlike the GSR..... but to each their own.
YES you can get any DC chassis to do the same or better then a ITR but its those lil #'s on the VIN that will put $ in your pocket </TD></TR></TABLE>

I know there is a lot more difference if you break it down... yeah its got a stiffer chassis.. blah blah, i guess it just all comes down to preference.

I was just trying to say that you can't say the Type-R is better than the GS-R, it all comes down to preference.

Personally I love My leather seats, and air conditioning

maybe if the Type R came in more colors it would be more appealing to me


Modified by Techno Tonis at 6:47 PM 3/19/2007

FOrSfEd

I would have to agree that it comes down to preference. Owning a Type R I would have to say I would take one over A Gs-R anyday, I've driven a couple GSr's and to me they didn't seem to have as smooth a ride. The corner's in a type r were great as well. Granted you can always add this stuff to a GSR but it still does not feel the same. I loved my ac as well. Any hooo back to the topic at hand.

Dave-ROR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Techno Tonis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

all a Type-R is, is a seriously striped down GS-R, plus a slightly better compression ratio. seriously.

so i am fairly confident that yes, if i spent about $5,000 in mods.. my GS-R would match a Type-R, and be much more refined.

2 of my buddies own Type-R's, and i have driven them...quite a bit, and yeah they are nice but.. i love my GS-R so much more. The GS-R is 100x Smoother, and i would take it over a Type-R anyday. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Uhhh yeah.

I have a GS-R as well, I had mine caged, with a far better setup suspension than your average GS-R, some engine mods, etc, etc. In all the years it saw track days and autocrossing, it was only passed/beaten by two ITRs, one built supercharged, heavily modified ITR, and one stock ITR. The stock one was driven by me as well.

The GS-R without some welding, new subframe, etc will never touch an ITR on its foundation and anything bolted to that foundation is inherently at a disadvantage.

This is a common belief (the whole GS-R with mods &gt; ITR thing) but it's been proven wrong again and again. Some cars look great on paper, but suck in reality, some look like they aren't worth the premium on paper, but are worlds better in reality.. the ITR falls in the second group.

Mr. Projekt

Why even bother Dave? Few of these guys actually drive an ITR hard enough to appreciate the difference. I've driven only 2 at the tracks, 1 stock, 1 slightly modded but it was on a crappy coilover set-up, so it didn't even feel as good as the stock ITR.

xc1097

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Techno Tonis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I know there is a lot more difference if you break it down... yeah its got a stiffer chassis.. blah blah, i guess it just all comes down to preference.

I was just trying to say that you can't say the Type-R is better than the GS-R, it all comes down to preference.

Personally I love My leather seats, and air conditioning </TD></TR></TABLE>

if you haven't noticed, 00/01 ITRs came with AC stock while 97/98 was an option.
also i'd take alcantra seats over leather seats anyday.

F117

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Personally I love My leather seats, and air conditioning </TD></TR></TABLE>

You must love the longer 2nd gear and sunroof for sure!!!

Dave-ROR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr. Projekt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why even bother Dave? Few of these guys actually drive an ITR hard enough to appreciate the difference. I've driven only 2 at the tracks, 1 stock, 1 slightly modded but it was on a crappy coilover set-up, so it didn't even feel as good as the stock ITR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah I know, I just hate bench racers and that's how his posts read.. just annoys me.

Oh well, at least he didn't post about his GS-R being better at picking up the ladies or something.

Techno Tonis

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Yeah I know, I just hate bench racers and that's how his posts read.. just annoys me.

Oh well, at least he didn't post about his GS-R being better at picking up the ladies or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha my GS-R does do a better job at pickin up the ladies...but its more of a whole package deal, know what im sayin??

Bench Racer?? that is not very nice Mr. Dave.

I sincerely apologize for having a different opinion from you

Techno Tonis

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You must love the longer 2nd gear and sunroof for sure!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

sunroof is baddass

Techno Tonis

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xc1097 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

if you haven't noticed, 00/01 ITRs came with AC stock while 97/98 was an option.
also i'd take alcantra seats over leather seats anyday.

</TD></TR></TABLE>

i actually did not know that, thank you for informing me

make sure when you find that NSX you are looking for, that it has alcantra seats, because they r0x0rz

and just curious...how come 3 of your cars are "R.I.P"? i pray they wern't stolen, what happend?

Dave-ROR

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haha my GS-R does do a better job at pickin up the ladies...but its more of a whole package deal, know what im sayin??

Bench Racer?? that is not very nice Mr. Dave.

I sincerely apologize for having a different opinion from you </TD></TR></TABLE>

Differing opinions are fine, it's that you clearly speak about things that you have no clue on. You don't even know what's standard or optional on the ITR yet you feel that you can make an educated statement about it.

Yes, the ITR isn't for everyone, and the GS-R is certainly better for some, but to say that a GS-R with 5K in mods will beat an ITR all around is just retarded. Sure, a GS-R with a turbo kit will beat an ITR in a drag race.. woohoo I guess.

Glad you are happy with your GS-R, I'm happy with my POS GS-R too It gets good gas mileage and starts everyday, it's a good beater so I can't complain.

xc1097

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i actually did not know that, thank you for informing me

make sure when you find that NSX you are looking for, that it has alcantra seats, because they r0x0rz

and just curious...how come 3 of your cars are "R.I.P"? i pray they wern't stolen, what happend?

</TD></TR></TABLE>

actually, zarnardi edition nsx is not all about alcantra seats

Production: 50 units -- each with a numbered Alex Zanardi signature plaque
149 pound weight reduction from NSX-T
Front & rear shock absorber rebound rates increased 99% and 31%, respectively
Front & rear shock absorber compression rates increased 72% and 50%, respectively
Front & rear spring rates increased by 103% and 32%, respectively
Stiffer, larger diameter rear stabilizer bar with thicker tube wall Alex Zanardi Edition: 0.75 inch diameter, 0.11 inch wall thickness NSX-T: 0.68 inch diameter, 0.09 inch wall thickness
Overall height reduced by 0.4 inch
Front roll center height reduced by 0.6 inch
Rear roll center height reduced by 0.3 inch

this is like saying M3 Comp. package is overpriced M3 when you never drove one before.
If you haven't noticed, it has better gearbox than shitty regular M3's and that alone i would pay extra for comp. package. not to mention suede steering that comes along.

another good example will be 997 C2s is better than 997 GT3 after x amount of mods. HELL NO!!!
these specialty cars weren't built same way as other model in that family.
it has more r&d.
imo, a good car is car that runs in harmony with everything on the car, well balanced.
as dave mentioned, gs-r can be faster on drag strip, but will not be better all around track car. NEVER!!!

PS - about my cars....
DC5 - after 3weeks of ownership, at 1072mi my lil bro spun on ice and totalled it
DC2 - some retard ran redlight on me, which gave me herniated disc
AP1 - 1 of 6 victim on rt.95 in CT. there were 5 other incident that day on same location. CT District court ruled - NOT RESPONSIBLE!!!

Mr. Projekt

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sunroof is baddass </TD></TR></TABLE>



Quit while you're ahead... or not that far behind.. yet.

George Knighton

tap tap tap....

Hulloooo?

We're talking about the S2000 CR, right?

Techno Tonis

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xc1097 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

actually, zarnardi edition nsx is not all about alcantra seats

Production: 50 units -- each with a numbered Alex Zanardi signature plaque
149 pound weight reduction from NSX-T
Front & rear shock absorber rebound rates increased 99% and 31%, respectively
Front & rear shock absorber compression rates increased 72% and 50%, respectively
Front & rear spring rates increased by 103% and 32%, respectively
Stiffer, larger diameter rear stabilizer bar with thicker tube wall Alex Zanardi Edition: 0.75 inch diameter, 0.11 inch wall thickness NSX-T: 0.68 inch diameter, 0.09 inch wall thickness
Overall height reduced by 0.4 inch
Front roll center height reduced by 0.6 inch
Rear roll center height reduced by 0.3 inch

this is like saying M3 Comp. package is overpriced M3 when you never drove one before.
If you haven't noticed, it has better gearbox than shitty regular M3's and that alone i would pay extra for comp. package. not to mention suede steering that comes along.

another good example will be 997 C2s is better than 997 GT3 after x amount of mods. HELL NO!!!
these specialty cars weren't built same way as other model in that family.
it has more r&d.
imo, a good car is car that runs in harmony with everything on the car, well balanced.
as dave mentioned, gs-r can be faster on drag strip, but will not be better all around track car. NEVER!!!

PS - about my cars....
DC5 - after 3weeks of ownership, at 1072mi my lil bro spun on ice and totalled it
DC2 - some retard ran redlight on me, which gave me herniated disc
AP1 - 1 of 6 victim on rt.95 in CT. there were 5 other incident that day on same location. CT District court ruled - NOT RESPONSIBLE!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

How much does one of those NSX's cost??

you got some serious bank brother if you can afford a 97 up NSX as it...or you are willing to go into a long long debt .

I don't care what anyone says...sun roof is BADDASS

sorry about your cars bro...

xc1097

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How much does one of those NSX's cost??

you got some serious bank brother if you can afford a 97 up NSX as it...or you are willing to go into a long long debt .

I don't care what anyone says...sun roof is BADDASS

sorry about your cars bro...</TD></TR></TABLE>

didn't u read my post?
DC2 - some retard ran redlight on me, which gave me herniated disc

have you heard something called insurance settlements?
zarnardi nsx costed same as regular nsx when it was released.
i've saw zarnardi running around 50-60k with low mileage before but mostly tuned or SCed which is not one i want
i want virgin nsx which i can't seem to find since there were only 50 made

i thought about buying M3 but not a big fan of it since every other korean kid drives one.
also thought of buying cayman s, but i can't justify spending 60k for basic model. with options, it reachs 100k which doesn't make sense for spending on cayman.

probably wait and buy 08 S2000CR or buy low-mile 03 AP1 and put rest in CD or something

S@nt0s

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tap tap tap....

Hulloooo?

We're talking about the S2000 CR, right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

dang only if we had a ? mark face...

WowOzYouRock

this S2000 CR is like M3 CSL... not worth it if they cost a lot more...


Modified by FR-MOB: Jerk at 11:51 AM 3/20/2007

S@nt0s

but since it will haev AP2 headlights and tails i wouldnt want it.. or ill just put AP1 front/rear lights on it then ill be butta

18psi sohc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S@nt0s &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but since it will haev AP2 headlights and tails i wouldnt want it.. or ill just put AP1 front/rear lights on it then ill be butta </TD></TR></TABLE>

What !? You're a trip dude!