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Old 10-12-2006, 12:55 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">-1 for C5 reliability here.

My fathers garage queen '99 corvette with only 25k on it is about to get traded in because the rear differential (its an AUTO!) has gone bad. The "steering column lock" has also took a dump and is a $741 fix. It needs new tires, which are gonna cost well over $1000 too. The leather driver seat is also falling apart too, and its barely used...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think it's fair to scrutinize another car for its rear diff problems on a S2k forum.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">-1 for C5 reliability here.

My fathers garage queen '99 corvette with only 25k on it is about to get traded in because the rear differential (its an AUTO!) has gone bad. The "steering column lock" has also took a dump and is a $741 fix. It needs new tires, which are gonna cost well over $1000 too. The leather driver seat is also falling apart too, and its barely used...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thank you, kids. hear that... true life story of the good old american car... who cares if it could perform "better" if its gonna break down on you at the end of the race

DOMESTICS= GARBAGE. enough said lock this up
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gabspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thank you, kids. hear that... true life story of the good old american car... who cares if it could perform "better" if its gonna break down on you at the end of the race

DOMESTICS= GARBAGE. enough said lock this up</TD></TR></TABLE>

no way dood...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by P Nut &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think it's fair to scrutinize another car for its rear diff problems on a S2k forum. </TD></TR></TABLE>
lol. I shamefully agree
Old 10-12-2006, 01:58 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gabspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Thank you, kids. hear that... true life story of the good old american car... who cares if it could perform "better" if its gonna break down on you at the end of the race

DOMESTICS= GARBAGE. enough said lock this up</TD></TR></TABLE>

My Z28 has 85k on it and runs like a top. Sure it has a couple cracks in the interior and squeaks and rattles, but mechanically it's still great. In terms of build quality and practicality, it's not as good as a Honda, but if I wanted a nice practical economy car i would have kept my GSR. I wanted to go fast, stay CARB leagal, and not have to do a whole lot of work to get there--thus the Camaro.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">-1 for C5 reliability here.

My fathers garage queen '99 corvette with only 25k on it is about to get traded in because the rear differential (its an AUTO!) has gone bad. The "steering column lock" has also took a dump and is a $741 fix. It needs new tires, which are gonna cost well over $1000 too. The leather driver seat is also falling apart too, and its barely used...</TD></TR></TABLE>


A vette rear diff going that early, especially stock on an auto, is pretty rare. There are plenty of guys putting way more power than stock through them with no problems. As for the tires, of course they will be expensive--they are very wide low profile performance tires.

The "leather" is vettes (and most GMs of that vintage) is a joke though, as is most of the interior. No argument there.
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^^^^^^^^


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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">-1 for C5 reliability here.

My fathers garage queen '99 corvette with only 25k on it is about to get traded in because the rear differential (its an AUTO!) has gone bad. The "steering column lock" has also took a dump and is a $741 fix. It needs new tires, which are gonna cost well over $1000 too. The leather driver seat is also falling apart too, and its barely used...</TD></TR></TABLE>

from what i've heard some rear diff's have a leak problem... there was a recall to fix it.

the steering column lock is another problem that's had a recall

the S has its' share of recalls and diff problems as well so it's not like the S is perfect.

and the tires... well they're not narrow tires like on the S and not to mention they're run flats. they run 245/275's on the regular vettes and the z06's are wider... you can't expect them to be cheap.

the interiors have always needed improvement which i think was greatly improved with the C6 vette.
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I would say that the S2000 is inferior C6 (especially the Z06), but to not acknowledge how competitive it is with the Corvette (in general) is very naive.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmhonda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">everybody is jelous that honda makes a sick machine thats all, they cant handle the truth!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah!!!!!!
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ever heard of the event where GM did R&D about the longevity of certain parts back iN the day? And by longevity i mean make then last maybe 3 years and then the parts will fail or whatever...just to make money. Kinda low for a company as big as GM to of done some **** like that back in the day


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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RynoDyno312 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

My Z28 has 85k on it and runs like a top. Sure it has a couple cracks in the interior and squeaks and rattles, but mechanically it's still great. In terms of build quality and practicality, it's not as good as a Honda, but if I wanted a nice practical economy car i would have kept my GSR. I wanted to go fast, stay CARB leagal, and not have to do a whole lot of work to get there--thus the Camaro.

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thus staying CHEAP ("not have to do a whole lot of work"), yes you might get more HP for the buck..and? does that make it better??? i don't think so. face it Chevy (or any other domestic car company) should feel ashame to see how an "inferior" (so called in this thread) 4 cylinder car can keep up or even take a c5 on the track, half the engine, yet 100 times more reliable + actuall good built quality (the S) etc etc. + not even have been made to compete with it, the S is just in a different class period. if Honda would have made the S engine the size of a corvettes or even a "camaros" they would be competing with Ferrari and lambos... again this is just my ignorant opinion ..


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my S has a lot of shakes, squeaks, and rattles.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by M.A.R.C. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my S has a lot of shakes, squeaks, and rattles.</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL AP2 FTW
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gabspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

thus staying CHEAP ("not have to do a whole lot of work"), yes you might get more HP for the buck..and? does that make it better??? i don't think so. face it Chevy (or any other domestic car company) should feel ashame to see how an "inferior" (so called in this thread) 4 cylinder car can keep up or even take a c5 on the track, half the engine, yet 100 times more reliable + actuall good built quality (the S) etc etc. + not even have been made to compete with it, the S is just in a different class period. if Honda would have made the S engine the size of a corvettes or even a "camaros" they would be competing with Ferrari and lambos... again this is just my ignorant opinion .. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I never said either car was "better." Other than that I really don't know how to respond since I can't decipher what you just said.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gabspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thus staying CHEAP ("not have to do a whole lot of work"), yes you might get more HP for the buck..and? does that make it better??? i don't think so. face it Chevy (or any other domestic car company) should feel ashame to see how an "inferior" (so called in this thread) 4 cylinder car can keep up or even take a c5 on the track, half the engine, yet 100 times more reliable + actuall good built quality (the S) etc etc. + not even have been made to compete with it, the S is just in a different class period. if Honda would have made the S engine the size of a corvettes or even a "camaros" they would be competing with Ferrari and lambos... again this is just my ignorant opinion .. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You are so wrong, it's pathetic. Get your head of out your *** bro; the C5 ***** all over the S2K. Period. And sadly, we're just discussing the 'base' model Corvette; care to consider the Z? Both are great cars, but the C5 is a better 'racing' car.
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lol...the corvette's actually scare the big name manufacturers in real circuit racing. They have been outperforming Ferrari's, Aston Martin's etc...If you were to take all the money in the world and build both a new z06 corvette and a new s2000. The corvette would walk all over the s2000. Don't get me wrong. I love my s2k but a new corvette is not something to take lightly. end this thread
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the c6 is setting the standard on "sports car" now IMO,


whoever called the corvette garbage doesn't know wtf their talking. their not perfect by any meens
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dkim48 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol...the corvette's actually scare the big name manufacturers in real circuit racing. They have been outperforming Ferrari's, Aston Martin's etc...If you were to take all the money in the world and build both a new z06 corvette and a new s2000. The corvette would walk all over the s2000. Don't get me wrong. I love my s2k but a new corvette is not something to take lightly. end this thread </TD></TR></TABLE>

i think his whole concern was that it's not as "nice" as a s2000. i dunno s2000's are nice but it's funny this thread came up considering i was thinkin about replacing the S with a C5 Z06 in the near future
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RTE117 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You are so wrong, it's pathetic. Get your head of out your *** bro; the C5 ***** all over the S2K. Period. And sadly, we're just discussing the 'base' model Corvette; care to consider the Z? Both are great cars, but the C5 is a better 'racing' car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

aparently you didn't read my post completely , im sure it "could" be beter racing car, again THESE ARE NOT IN THE SAME CLASS period, you can't compare them let me put it in easy terms for those of you slow people specially the TP:

Corvertte C5- curb weight (lbs) 3616.8 5.7L 405 hp 400 lbs-ft trq V8 MSRP $40,500+
S2000 curb weight (lbs) 2,835 AP1 2.0L 240HP 153 lbs-ft tq I4
AP2 2.2L ~240HP 162 lbs-ft trq I4 MSRP $30,633

Your damm right the vette "could" take it with those specs! ... ITS CLOSE TO TWICE THE ENGINE who in their right mind would compare them 1 on 1 NOT THE SAME CLASS, and even so the S could put up a good fight to a BASE Vette look at resoults and prove me wrong.

Either way my statement remains, and don't belive me just look at the hard cold facts of many many years DOMESTICS ARE GARBAGE.


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Can a C5 engine make 100+ HP per litter?

The S2000 DOES
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gabspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can a C5 engine make 100+ HP per litter?

The S2000 DOES
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#1 ricer excuse ever. That doesn't mean **** does it? What does it take to make an S2K hang with a bolt-on C5? A blower? lol gimme a break ricer.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gabspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">aparently you didn't read my post completely , im sure it "could" be beter racing car, again THESE ARE NOT IN THE SAME CLASS period, you can't compare them let me put it in easy terms for those of you slow people specially the TP:

Corvertte C5- curb weight (lbs) 3616.8 5.7L 405 hp 400 lbs-ft trq V8
S2000 curb weight (lbs) 2,835 AP1 2.0L 240HP 153 lbs-ft tq I4
AP2 2.2L ~240HP 162 lbs-ft trq I4

Your damm right the vette "could" take it with those specs! ... ITS CLOSE TO TWICE THE ENGINE who in their right mind would compare them 1 on 1 NOT THE SAME CLASS, and even so the S could put up a good fight to a BASE Vette look at resoults and prove me wrong.

Either way my statement remains, and don't belive me just look at the hard cold facts of many many years DOMESTICS ARE GARBAGE.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Were you not the one speaking of how the S2K can 'take' a C5 on a track earlier? You're very correct, they are a completely different class of cars. With that being said, The C5 OWNS the S2K when it comes to, racing. The C5 can take abuse the S2K could only hope to. C5's have held their own against the six-figure exotics and have shown they are extremely stout. Not too bad for primordial 'pushrod' engine technology and leaf springs. Torque &gt; high revs. Compare the S2K with its own class - Miatas and Z3's.

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">should feel ashame to see how an "inferior" (so called in this thread) 4 cylinder car can keep up or even take a c5 on the track, half the engine, yet 100 times more reliable + actuall good built quality (the S) etc etc. + not even have been made to compete with it</TD></TR></TABLE>


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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RTE117 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

#1 ricer excuse ever. That doesn't mean **** does it? What does it take to make an S2K hang with a bolt-on C5? A blower? lol gimme a break ricer.</TD></TR></TABLE>

look idiot, did i say the S was faster? you need to read again.

ofcourse the S is a slower car..... its HALF a C5
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gabspeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can a C5 engine make 100+ HP per litter?

The S2000 DOES
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gaby... the bottom line is it's still faster. if i made 1000hp per liter and had a .2L motor... i'd still have a measily 200hp. it's a good way to compare efficiency but efficiency won't do you much in this topic.
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Can a C5 engine make 100+ HP per litter?

The S2000 DOES
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A Civic Si also makes 100hp/liter. What's your point?

I challenge you to tell me one aspect of performance determined by specific output.

It doesn't even give you real-world efficiency. Hp/engine weight or hp/engine size or hp/mpg would be a much better measurement of efficiency than hp/displacement.

And where the hell does the 3600lb curb weight of a vette come from? My f-body weighs around that much--a C5 vette is closer to 3200, and a C6 is lighter than that.


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