Siegfried

Boosted prelude owners :]
Did you just upgrade your pads or went with a big brake kit ?

Could you tell me what are your brake set ups ?
Thanks



Modified by Siegfried at 4:59 AM 10/18/2006

madcatz

drive into a wall your 60-0 time is unbelievable

just because your boosted doesnt mean you need a BBK

you should be fine with some Brembo Blanks and some Hawk HP+ pads.....Or if you want get Rotora, or......insert band name here. Its all personal Preference.

I have the 13.1" Rotora 4pot unit.....but again the car was a track abused car by the previous owner

Attaus

Improving the brakes is a must with any boosted car, but as madcatz said getting a $2000 big brake kit isn't necessary.

If you're really concered, get the powerslot upgrade. I think its $400 and uses the stock calipers, so just mate those with some HPS's and you're golden.

Prudz_lude

iTrader: (1)

dont forget to slap on some stainless steel brake lines those help out all too

Silver Surfer

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yeah that's what you want to do....decrease the surface area of your rotors

the only reason you would want cross drilled or slotted rotors is if you needed the extra cooling for tracking the car

better set of pads and maybe some ss lines you think it will help petal feel

another thing to keep in mind is that you can only stop as fast as your tires will let you

Siegfried

I forgot to mention, I have a 92 Prelude S.
I'm interested in the Fastbrakes 12.2" rotors + 4 pistons calipers kit, not a 2000$ BBK
You guys think only pads will be OK, so all I need would be an upgrade to VTEC rotors & calipers then get a good pads set ?

bb_one

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another thing to keep in mind is that you can only stop as fast as your tires will let you</TD></TR></TABLE>

, if you can activate the ABS or lock up your wheels then your braking system is doing its job. Upgrading the tires would be the solution to that.

Silver Surfer

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Siegfried &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You guys think only pads will be OK, so all I need would be an upgrade to VTEC rotors & calipers then get a good pads set ?
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yeah that should be plenty....i know i have no problem locking the wheels and i haven't done anything

the prelude stops pretty quick stock....the only thing holding it back(or not i guess) is the tires....i am on 225/45/16 bfg kdw and they still lock up easy if i want them to

i wouldn't bother with the braking system unless you plan to make it a track car

McLude2nR

I had my turbo lude for a week before it went down the first time. It was putting down about 300 MDWHP. Let's just say I definitely lost faith and confidence in the stock braking system haha.

petern101

and i dunno where ppl get the idea holes / slots in your rotors = better cooling.

air doesn't cool or have heat diffusing properties as metal does.

you can get better brakes if you like. but don't think you are stopping insanely faster/shorter than someone with vtec calipers + good pads

hu

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petern101 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and i dunno where ppl get the idea holes / slots in your rotors = better cooling.

air doesn't cool or have heat diffusing properties as metal does.

you can get better brakes if you like. but don't think you are stopping insanely faster/shorter than someone with vtec calipers + good pads</TD></TR></TABLE>

Brembo makes rotors with holes for a reason... Whatever that reason is, I don't go for it!

Do the Legend caliper swap. You will be happy with the stopping power. Its a 2 piston caliper vs. our 1 piston.

Siegfried

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by McLude2nR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had my turbo lude for a week before it went down the first time. It was putting down about 300 MDWHP. Let's just say I definitely lost faith and confidence in the stock braking system haha. </TD></TR></TABLE>

did you upgrade your brake system after that ?

AndyD

iTrader: (1)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petern101 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and i dunno where ppl get the idea holes / slots in your rotors = better cooling.</TD></TR></TABLE>

They are ricers....just like pretty much all of the people who gave advice in this thread. ****** losers!!!

Silver Surfer

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petern101 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and i dunno where ppl get the idea holes / slots in your rotors = better cooling.

air doesn't cool or have heat diffusing properties as metal does.

you can get better brakes if you like. but don't think you are stopping insanely faster/shorter than someone with vtec calipers + good pads</TD></TR></TABLE>

you're kidding right?
it's not about heat diffusion....it's about heat retention
if you have a solid rotor then the heat will be retained at the core of the rotor thus giving it a higher starting temp for the next instance of braking. You're right that the slots are just for "cleaning" when you glaze the pads, but the holes allow for less retention and do provide some cooling

but this is really not relevent unless you are tracking the car......driving on the street you will not make enough repeated stops to see any advantage

so you are right to say that a blank rotor will diffuse better for the first stop which is all you need on the street.....which is what i said before

McLude2nR

No. The car only lasted a week But it definitely scared me enough to consider upgrading. I felt this difference after doing repeated high speed passes and slow downs. **** got really mushy. Probably go with a rotora kit w/ steel braided brakelines etc...

Silver Surfer

^how would that be any different than doing multiple slowdowns in a stock car? you wouldn't be doing that everytime you drive

McLude2nR

different how? well on a given length of road, lets say half a mile, a turbo prelude which has nearly doubled its original factory power (300ish) is going to attain a much higher speed than a stock prelude and will therefore need more stopping power to slow down in that same length of road. A stock prelude in that same half a mile may just creep over the 100 mark, as where a turbo prelude may get up past 130-140. Therefore, since your car can attain a much higher speed, in a much shorter time/length of road, your multiple slowdowns will be much more intense than before. On the same stretch of road that you used to start slowing down at 50 or 60, now you're doing 90 and guess what, your brakes are not designed to slow down from 90 to 0 in the same lenghth of road. Slowing multiple times from higher speeds than before is what makes it different than in a stock car. Obviously you wouldn't do this every time you drive, but when you do, it'd be nice to be able to have a little more faith in your brakes. Do you absolutely need to upgrade or else your going to crash and die? Of course not. Is it good to modify your car as a whole so that your stopping power compliments your increased hp? yes.


Modified by McLude2nR at 3:18 AM 10/18/2006


Modified by McLude2nR at 3:19 AM 10/18/2006


Modified by McLude2nR at 4:52 AM 10/18/2006

Siegfried

That's what I was thinking
like the S & SI share the same set up, and that the VTEC have "upgraded" brakes (bigger rotors).
Isn' t it better to upgrade the brake set up for a boosted prelude ? as it has more power & torque than a stock VTEC car.
I would like to know if prelude owners who boosted their car could tell what brake upgrade they did.

petern101

even with those speeds, you are only stopping once and then cool down.

lets just say i know of 2 h-classed preludes that track all day, and they are on stock calipers with autozone rotors and good pads.

if you think you get your temps up like they do, you would be wrong.

but it seems like you have convinced yourself that you need bigger brakes, go ahead and get them

Siegfried

I'm not sure yet, that's why I asked if guys that have turbo lude could tell me what are their brake set ups, if most of them only have stock VTEC brakes with pads then I can save some money and go with that.

How do you determine if your car need a big brake kit or not beside the track use (as you need to stop several times at high speeds)
Aren' t there like some kind of power "levels" where you need bigger brakes to help you stop a car that accelerate faster ? (like the VTEC models that comes with bigger rotor for 40hp difference in power, don' t know what other differences there are that explain the upper size of the rotors)

I don' t want to upgrade to VTEC calipers + rotors and find out that I should have gone with a kit.

By the way are the 2 cars, that track all day, boosted ?

jsprelude

SSBC force 10 big brake kit in the front, powerslot rotors with axxis pads in the rear.

petern101

well put it this way. the nsx (i think a tad bit lighter) has the same brake setup as us.

and it doesn't matter if the two track preludes are boosted, you are using the example of your ending speeds of 140ish and then slowing down.

i was at texas world speedway, from the straightaway to turn 1, you go from 120ish (on my stock h23 at the time) to around 30-40 for the left hander. and i did this for 30 minutes, 5 times a day on SI brakes with just pads and i was fine.

now i have vtec and vtec sized rotors. imagine what the 5th gens (some stock ones at the track with me) and the two track preludes were getting from that straightaway to 1st turn.

but alas these are singular events. my other buddy has a boosted 4th gen probably putting near the 300 mark. he's on stock brakes (not even good pads) he seems fine when he goes to ennis (local 1/4 mile).

Silver Surfer

maybe we need to clarify that bigger does not equal a higher coefficient of friction

the friction on the pad and the temp. range are what you need to look at

a bigger rotor will allow the heat to diffuse better, and the holes/slots will help with retention and cleaning the pads......but i promise you none of that is even remotely close to needed on the street

upgrading the rotors/calipers/lines is all for gaining consistant stopping power on the track and is just for "bling on the street".......this is probably why you aren't getting much of a response, not many have felt the need to upgrade

if you think you will be doing high speed stops, look into hawk pads, i believe they have some of the higher temp ranges......personally i like the coefficient of friction on the satisfied gs 5 pads

md23vtec

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Attaus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Improving the brakes is a must with any boosted car, but as madcatz said getting a $2000 big brake kit isn't necessary.

If you're really concered, get the powerslot upgrade. I think its $400 and uses the stock calipers, so just mate those with some HPS's and you're golden.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Stock brakes and I do over 130 in the 1/4 and stop just fine. Its not a must.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by McLude2nR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had my turbo lude for a week before it went down the first time. It was putting down about 300 MDWHP. Let's just say I definitely lost faith and confidence in the stock braking system haha. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It doesn't matter if your boosted or not your still slowing down from a speed you can do 100mph n/a or 100mph FI its still 100mph no matter how you slice it. Before you go spending money because you made a whopping 300whp I'd atleast look into stainless steel lines and go from there.

F.Y.I I more then doubled your hp and still on stock brakes thinking of getting rid of the ABS

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by petern101 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">even with those speeds, you are only stopping once and then cool down.

lets just say i know of 2 h-classed preludes that track all day, and they are on stock calipers with autozone rotors and good pads.

if you think you get your temps up like they do, you would be wrong.

but it seems like you have convinced yourself that you need bigger brakes, go ahead and get them</TD></TR></TABLE>

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They are ricers....just like pretty much all of the people who gave advice in this thread. ****** losers!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

So true so true

Mykizism

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They are ricers....just like pretty much all of the people who gave advice in this thread. ****** losers!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

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So true so true</TD></TR></TABLE>

you guys are just jealous of the bbk owners.. LOL