TypeR0207

I know that at least one cyclinder has some blow by because I burn oil like a champ and got some cods for the #1 cylinder that sound like they are piston related. My car has 127k miles on it now (bought it when it had 72k).

So I'm thinking about swapping out the pistons for some oversized or maybe Type S pistons.

For those that have done it, what is involved? I know for oversize they have to bore it out for them to fit (I think the factory ones can be gotten .25 over if I recall). How much are we talking about here?? A few hundred bucks, a couple thousand????

And what else should I get done at the same time that a shop would be doing this (talking straight forward maint. stuff here, not performance mods)??

Thanks.

mgags7

It shouldn't be any more than a few hundred dollars to get a set of OS type-s pistons/rings and have the cylinders bored/honed for them.

If you're not planning on doing the engine removal and taking the head off etc yourself the costs go up, but that stuff is easy, if you don't know what you're doing w/pistons, just have the shop install them and do everything else yourself.

It can be tough to find shops that have the correct equipment to hone FRM sleeves. I don't know of any around (I'm in NC so same area)

117

I haven't run across a shop that will properly hone FRM Honda blocks for less than $400.

The block will need to be stripped completely bare. There's no way to do this properly with the engine in the car.

mgags7

My reference was to having to pay for engine removal, not that there is a more expensive procedure for doing the job with it in the car. Just to be clear.

Billy, do you know of multiple shops that do this work properly? From what I know, not many people know of even one.

TypeR0207

So what about just pulling the factory pistons and replacing them with the same size? And is it really worth it to go with Type S or afternarket without honing the sleeves and any other work?

Thanks for the responses!

mgags7

Replacing the pistons and rings is not going to fully fix your blowby/oil buring problem.

You'll need a full hone job, and since you can get type s pistons for damn near the same price as stock pistons, that decision should be pretty easy.

117

I'd be concerned about the rings not fully seating without a proper hone job.

Matt, I used to know of two, one is no longer doing the work, and the other still does it. He doesn't much care for doing it, but will do it. Cost is not cheap, though.

There is supposedly a shop in Chicago as well that someone referred me to, but I know nothing about it.

Ghost 5.9

as far as "freshening up" your motor w/ regular maint. stuff, this is what is needed to PROPERLY do the job.

PARTS:
1-new oversized pistons/rings/wristpins
2-new main/rod bearings
3-bottom end gasket kit
4-new oil pump
5-waterpump
6-new t-belt/balance shaft belt
7-new t-belt tensioner
8-balance shaft seal retainer


MACHINE SHOP LABOR:
1-bore/hone cylinders
2-resurface deck
3-press new (usdm) pistons onto rods
4-pressure wash block

you will still need to thuroughly clean the block yourself after getting it back and i would also recommend disassembling the head and having it resurfaced and cleaned and also clean your valves and lapp them into the seats. add a top end gasket kit to go along w/ it and this will truly freshen up your entire motor and will make putting it back together very clean and headache free. you would also be surprised how much power can be gained just from cleaning your cylinder head, intake manifold, and t-body. goodluck


Modified by Ghost 5.9 at 1:44 PM 12/13/2007

vinuneuro

Matt, do RLZ and P1 do machining in-house? I'm sure they have at least some experience with it.

117

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MACHINE SHOP LABOR:
3-press new (usdm) pistons onto rods
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Note that the 97+ H22s use a floating wrist pin, so this step is not needed for 97+ engines.

slamdlude

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Note that the 97+ H22s use a floating wrist pin, so this step is not needed for 97+ engines.</TD></TR></TABLE>
My Wisecos use floating wrist pins as well.

Shirp

I had my block sleeved and had new pistons put in as well as a handfull of other items (port and polish, new valves, fuel injectors, new bearings/gaskets, etc) After it was said and done I think it was around 4 grand. Remember, this was for my whole shabang and most likely won't reflect you endevour. However, it gives you an idea if you wanted to do more.

NirVTEC

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 117 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd be concerned about the rings not fully seating without a proper hone job.

Matt, I used to know of two, one is no longer doing the work, and the other still does it. He doesn't much care for doing it, but will do it. Cost is not cheap, though.

There is supposedly a shop in Chicago as well that someone referred me to, but I know nothing about it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Name? I wonder if its the place my shop uses...

117

Ask vinuneuro, he's the one that told me about it. I don't recall off the top of my head. It would be nice to get some other referrals, if it is indeed the same shop.

vinuneuro

Clint, I think it is. The shop is Land Air in Arlington Heights. He said he does all the work for One Six.

NirVTEC

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They built my Turbo motor!

Lewd Nate

There was an arcticle in Honda Tuning a few years ago where they had bore/hone an H22. In it they said that the FRM cylinders were similar to the Porsche 944. So maybe a shop that does this work for the 944s might be good, although I can't imagine cheap. I seem to have lost the magazine, but I do remember them writing there was a lot involved.

subydoored

you guys should live in maine i got a shop about 20 miles from me that been building honda engines for years and have done a few frm sleeved blocks

Rosko

iTrader: (1)

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I think I remember Randy aka MissingGears saying that Justice Racing Engines could do the work properly. I believe they are now in VA.

117

Jim Justice will no longer do that work from what I've been told. He doesn't have a machine shop that will do it.

Rosko

iTrader: (1)

ahhh so they didn't do it in house?

117

No. I don't think Jim Justice did much machine work in house, as he sent cranks out for crank work as well. That's what he told me when I was having some work quoted. I'm not sure if he does heads in house or not.

Ghost 5.9

Coleman Bros. does frm sleeves. i have had several done by them and never any problems they are here in MD, ask for Bill.

Jim Justice also did frm sleeves in the past, not sure about now. he does do his own machining. not sure about headwork as he used to send that out and then flow it in house upon getting it back in. i would recommend contacting him again, they do the best work around but VERY pricey.

shrirag

I'm pretty sure he did do them in house. I got my block installed with darton flanged sleeves installed by Jim. He is a great guy to work with, but like you mentioned I think he moved and no longer does that sort of work anymore.

OP finding a shop to do FRM sleeves is not easy honestly. I don't know if you wanna get a h22a swap and part out your motor to help for costs? Or you can take my route and get sleeves put in.

preludin

i just got done doing a type s standard size piston install with eagle rods, 5 angle valve grind. i was having cylinder blow by in cylinder number 4 but i ended up needing a new block so hope u don't have the same prob!