Strut Bars
09-27-2005, 07:35 AM
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Strut Bars
What are good ones to use for 5th Gen?
I've seen Spoon ones.. they available for our cars I presume... and should fit? Anyone own one? Pics?
Can anyone recommend anything else?
I've seen Spoon ones.. they available for our cars I presume... and should fit? Anyone own one? Pics?
Can anyone recommend anything else?
09-27-2005, 08:35 AM
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Re: Strut Bars ([ S7H ])
PasswordJDM is working on a solid 1-peice, 3-point strut tower bar design for 4 and 5g Preludes that should be out sometime in the near future. That would be most functional type of bar...
09-27-2005, 09:22 AM
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Re: Strut Bars (Hawkze_2.3)
They are all not the same, many of the ones sold on ebay do not fit right in the front. I bought a Megan and it was garbage, returned it and got a Neuspeed 
fit perfect.
fit perfect.
09-27-2005, 09:57 AM
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Re: Strut Bars (integra15)
^ X2. word.
I would start with a good spring and shock set up or coilovers first for this will yield the most results. Then compliment that setup with some front and rear bars.
But I recommend the Spoon Sports ones. I have them and they are awsome. Finding a used one should not be too hard. Be patient, Look around, and you'll get your hands on one.
I would start with a good spring and shock set up or coilovers first for this will yield the most results. Then compliment that setup with some front and rear bars.
But I recommend the Spoon Sports ones. I have them and they are awsome. Finding a used one should not be too hard. Be patient, Look around, and you'll get your hands on one.
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09-27-2005, 01:16 PM
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Re: Strut Bars (ny_blue_01)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ny_blue_01 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^ X2. word.
I would start with a good spring and shock set up or coilovers first for this will yield the most results. Then compliment that setup with some front and rear bars.
But I recommend the Spoon Sports ones. I have them and they are awsome. Finding a used one should not be too hard. Be patient, Look around, and you'll get your hands on one.</TD></TR></TABLE>
there's no way in hell one should be spending money on strut barZ when there's plenty of more important **** to do on a prelude suspension, including a rear sway & camber adjustment.
i can argue til i'm blue in the face about how i think these strut bars things are a waste of money, but everyone who understands will never dispute the fact that a sway bar is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000 times more effective than some gay strut bar, tie bar, or anything that comes in anodized red, has some JDM sticker on it, and costs 10x more than it should considering how little it does.
I would start with a good spring and shock set up or coilovers first for this will yield the most results. Then compliment that setup with some front and rear bars.
But I recommend the Spoon Sports ones. I have them and they are awsome. Finding a used one should not be too hard. Be patient, Look around, and you'll get your hands on one.</TD></TR></TABLE>
there's no way in hell one should be spending money on strut barZ when there's plenty of more important **** to do on a prelude suspension, including a rear sway & camber adjustment.
i can argue til i'm blue in the face about how i think these strut bars things are a waste of money, but everyone who understands will never dispute the fact that a sway bar is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000 times more effective than some gay strut bar, tie bar, or anything that comes in anodized red, has some JDM sticker on it, and costs 10x more than it should considering how little it does.
09-27-2005, 01:26 PM
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Re: Strut Bars (bad-monkey)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
but everyone who understands will never dispute the fact that a sway bar is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000 times more effective than some gay strut bar</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sway bars are the ****. Night and day difference .
but everyone who understands will never dispute the fact that a sway bar is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000 times more effective than some gay strut bar</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sway bars are the ****. Night and day difference
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09-27-2005, 01:57 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a cusco on my 4th gen, it will fit a 5th....</TD></TR></TABLE>
are they all interchangeable? Ive got a neuspeed from my 4th gen.. never tried it on my 5th..
are they all interchangeable? Ive got a neuspeed from my 4th gen.. never tried it on my 5th..
09-27-2005, 02:47 PM
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Re: Strut Bars (bad-monkey)
well, your statement may have been taken farther than it had to be taken. Basically you are discounting any benefit to further re-inforcing the frame the car using strut bars. I agree that sways are very beneficial, but I highly doubt that companies like mugen, comptech, benen, spoon sports share your opinions on the 0 benefits of strut bars. Are you running any type of upper re-inforcements to your Lude or does your sway bars take care of all that?
09-27-2005, 03:15 PM
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Re: Strut Bars (ny_blue_01)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ny_blue_01 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, your statement may have been taken farther than it had to be taken. Basically you are discounting any benefit to further re-inforcing the frame the car using strut bars. I agree that sways are very beneficial, but I highly doubt that companies like mugen, comptech, benen, spoon sports share your opinions on the 0 benefits of strut bars. Are you running any type of upper re-inforcements to your Lude or does your sway bars take care of all that?
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well, driving the car around a track, i am much more likely to notice the compression of my car's springs and the movement of my suspension, than the mm deflections (if that) of my car's chassis under cornering.
spoon, benen, comptech, mugen--while some of those companies (say mugen and comptech) make items that do work, and work well, the fact remains that they are companies. aka, for profit. and when they sell you a $400 piece of aluminum that cost them no more than $5 to make, you'd better believe they're making one hell of a profit.
chassis stiffening. i mean, how many seconds per lap does that mean? sure, the chassis could use stiffening, but think of how many newtons of force it would take to deflect your car's chassis? think of how often a car is subjected to that magnitude of force in the relevant directions? now think of how much of a difference a piece of aluminum directly in front of the firewall would make in this whole equation? having driven my car (sans strut bar) around a track w/ r-comps and a fairly stiff suspension, some other cars w/ strut bars and w/o (most notably a friend's gsr on r-comps) i can't tell the difference b/w the car w/ or w/o the strut bar. keep in mind this is on a very technical course.
were we driving strut-based suspensions, you might have more of a point for strut bars. however, since our shock towers are unloaded, i really can't see a reason for putting a bar across the towers to buttress them, can you?
install a roll cage and seam weld the car if you want chassis rigidity, otherwise, don't worry about chassis deflection. until someone shows me some empirical data as to how much the chassis is deflecting, and how much less it deflects when strut bars are mounted, i refuse to believe that these things do anything besides costs (way too much) money.
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well, driving the car around a track, i am much more likely to notice the compression of my car's springs and the movement of my suspension, than the mm deflections (if that) of my car's chassis under cornering.
spoon, benen, comptech, mugen--while some of those companies (say mugen and comptech) make items that do work, and work well, the fact remains that they are companies. aka, for profit. and when they sell you a $400 piece of aluminum that cost them no more than $5 to make, you'd better believe they're making one hell of a profit.
chassis stiffening. i mean, how many seconds per lap does that mean? sure, the chassis could use stiffening, but think of how many newtons of force it would take to deflect your car's chassis? think of how often a car is subjected to that magnitude of force in the relevant directions? now think of how much of a difference a piece of aluminum directly in front of the firewall would make in this whole equation? having driven my car (sans strut bar) around a track w/ r-comps and a fairly stiff suspension, some other cars w/ strut bars and w/o (most notably a friend's gsr on r-comps) i can't tell the difference b/w the car w/ or w/o the strut bar. keep in mind this is on a very technical course.
were we driving strut-based suspensions, you might have more of a point for strut bars. however, since our shock towers are unloaded, i really can't see a reason for putting a bar across the towers to buttress them, can you?
install a roll cage and seam weld the car if you want chassis rigidity, otherwise, don't worry about chassis deflection. until someone shows me some empirical data as to how much the chassis is deflecting, and how much less it deflects when strut bars are mounted, i refuse to believe that these things do anything besides costs (way too much) money.
09-27-2005, 09:20 PM
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Re: Strut Bars (bad-monkey)
Good info. I on the other hand have none to offer back. I really suggested a good coilover or spring and shock combo first and then suggested putting a strut bar in there before a sway bar because he seemed to be really set on getting one and wanted opinions on whats out there. I on the other hand dont have a set of sways on the car, I never really felt the need to get one for what I use the car for. The spoon strut bar works very well though. I have had it on and off a few times while working on the IM and TB and stuff and I would prefer it on than off.
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I agree with bad-monkey. I have both the spoon front and rear stbs on my 5th gen and I did not notice one bit of difference between having them on and having them off.
The ONLY reason I have them is because a friend of mine had them on his lude but then sold the car and just gave them to me.
They do look nice so that why i'm keeping them there otherwise i would never have bought them.
oh and if you MUST get a stb, get the neuspeed. Good design and faily cheap to buy. i think it may even be cheaper than a DC.
The ONLY reason I have them is because a friend of mine had them on his lude but then sold the car and just gave them to me.
They do look nice so that why i'm keeping them there otherwise i would never have bought them.
oh and if you MUST get a stb, get the neuspeed. Good design and faily cheap to buy. i think it may even be cheaper than a DC.
09-28-2005, 05:19 AM
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Re: Strut Bars (ny_blue_01)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ny_blue_01 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I agree that sways are very beneficial, but I highly doubt that companies like mugen, comptech, benen, spoon sports share your opinions on the 0 benefits of strut bars. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I wouldn't say strut bars have 0 benefits, but the benefits of sway bars do far exceed those of strut bars. My sway bar even cut down on some of my wheel hop when launching too.
I wouldn't say strut bars have 0 benefits, but the benefits of sway bars do far exceed those of strut bars. My sway bar even cut down on some of my wheel hop when launching too.
09-28-2005, 10:04 AM
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Re: Strut Bars (ny_blue_01)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ny_blue_01 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Good info. I on the other hand have none to offer back. I really suggested a good coilover or spring and shock combo first and then suggested putting a strut bar in there before a sway bar because he seemed to be really set on getting one and wanted opinions on whats out there. I on the other hand dont have a set of sways on the car, I never really felt the need to get one for what I use the car for. The spoon strut bar works very well though. I have had it on and off a few times while working on the IM and TB and stuff and I would prefer it on than off. </TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah i get a little worked up about this topic, because i see what companies are selling these things for, and i get annoyed by it. consumers don't deserve what i think is a total fleecing.
but--that said, strut bars might do something, i'm willing to concede that for many people it's a feel thing, and lord knows we all spend a ton of money on things that only really change the "feel" of a car. i think people are certainly entitled to use STB's, it's just that i don't think they're worth the money that most places charge, especially since you could easily fab one if you had the right tools, for oh, $10 at the most.
which is why if you're going to buy tie bars and STB's, don't let me stop you--just take care of the important stuff first like springs/shocks, sways, camber kits, tires, and stuff that has a much larger bearing on mechanical grip.
yeah i get a little worked up about this topic, because i see what companies are selling these things for, and i get annoyed by it. consumers don't deserve what i think is a total fleecing.
but--that said, strut bars might do something, i'm willing to concede that for many people it's a feel thing, and lord knows we all spend a ton of money on things that only really change the "feel" of a car. i think people are certainly entitled to use STB's, it's just that i don't think they're worth the money that most places charge, especially since you could easily fab one if you had the right tools, for oh, $10 at the most.
which is why if you're going to buy tie bars and STB's, don't let me stop you--just take care of the important stuff first like springs/shocks, sways, camber kits, tires, and stuff that has a much larger bearing on mechanical grip.
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