ragethemachine86

Alright for whatever reason i am no longer interested in keeping my car NA. So i decided to piece together my own turbo kit. Is there any reason i shouldnt do this? It is of course cheaper than buying a complete kit online but what are the downfalls of attempting this.

For the most part this is all i need right?
1. xs t3/t4 garret turbo and manifold (about to purchase privately from friend for 500$ together, good price?)
2. intercooler plus piping (anything wrong with ebay intercoolers?)
3. wastegate/bov
4. injectors
5. e-manage or something similar
6. fuel pump (necessary?)
7. custom piping by a shop to put everything together

Btw i am only shooting for about 250-280whp on my stock engine at low boost (6-10psi).

Im sure there are many threads like this but this is my project and i want my questions answered specifically to me. i just decided on boost about a week ago and i havent invested much time into researching due to my busy schedule so please bear with me.

Thanks ahead though for any advice, Johnny.

darkspector

No offense but if you read the other threads there are other people with similar products to YOUR build and YOUR questions will more than likely be answered. Reading through the other threads also gives you pros and cons of other products people have used.

If you're going to turbo and put stress on your engine, I would not go cheap. If I wasn't sure on the reliability of a product.. I wouldn't take the chance that it may destroy my engine and maybe more and have to pay for it.

The_Sober

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then put this project on hold until you have more time to research.

homesauce

Man, that is some crappy reponses for a forum that is there for tech help.

You need a downpipe, and that power goal is not that easy to attain without a good setup. Fuel pump is definitely necessary, and you have most of the parts you need , except a few things here and there such as the turbo feed and return lines, maybe a check valve if you are runnin the stock ECU, the right wastegate spring (but preferably a boost controller), colder spark plugs, and I'm sure I'm missing something else small. Good luck

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ragethemachine86 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Alright for whatever reason i am no longer interested in keeping my car NA. So i decided to piece together my own turbo kit. Is there any reason i shouldnt do this? It is of course cheaper than buying a complete kit online but what are the downfalls of attempting this.

For the most part this is all i need right?
1. xs t3/t4 garret turbo and manifold (about to purchase privately from friend for 500$ together, good price?)
2. intercooler plus piping (anything wrong with ebay intercoolers?)
3. wastegate/bov
4. injectors
5. e-manage or something similar
6. fuel pump (necessary?)
7. custom piping by a shop to put everything together

Btw i am only shooting for about 250-280whp on my stock engine at low boost (6-10psi).

Im sure there are many threads like this but this is my project and i want my questions answered specifically to me. i just decided on boost about a week ago and i havent invested much time into researching due to my busy schedule so please bear with me.

Thanks ahead though for any advice, Johnny.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ragethemachine86

if youve got nothing usefull to add move on

i am reading other threads as well as asking my own questions. i am simply seeking advice. things change, parts get cheaper and different things become available, so looking through old threads isnt always the best thing to do.

ragethemachine86

I forgot about all the extra lines and hoses that will be needed. But thats a not a major issue. The colder plugs is something i didnt think of either.

This weekend im gonna try to get some links to specific parts im interested in to get some more specific feedback on those.

ludecz

You should also consider resleeve it and upgrade your pistons and rods if you want to run 300 hp reliably. And mappable ECU or Vafc.

homesauce

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Very preferably the mappable ECU, and you'll need some way to retard the ignition timing, unless you wanna just do it ghetto through the distributor, but the problem is that you will have retarded timing in vacuum/no boost loads as well.

DIRTYsouthBB6

are you guys' brains not functioning right today?

tuning, fuel system

The_Sober

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by homesauce &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Man, that is some crappy reponses for a forum that is there for tech help.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ragethemachine86 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if youve got nothing usefull to add move on </TD></TR></TABLE>

you both need to lighten up. I wasn't bustin' *****. I was merely suggesting that in the best interest of putting together a good, reliable kit that the OP should be prepared to devote a lot of time and research for this project.

Going FI and keeping it reliable and safe is not something you want to jump into headfirst without testing the water. But if you think the best way to help the OP is by giving advice one component at a time, then go right ahead.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ragethemachine86 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> things change, parts get cheaper and different things become available, so looking through old threads isnt always the best thing to do. </TD></TR></TABLE>

this is true. but you'll find that if the old posts and the new posts both contain the same suggestions, then you know that it's a time-proven piece of advice.

Good luck.

ragethemachine86

i am still in the early stages in this build and alot more time will be devoted into research. dont worry guys im not doing this in a hurry.

For the most part i made this thread to question whether it is worth putting together a custom turbo kit rather than buying a complete one. Everyone knows custom is cheaper than some company's kit but there has got to be a serious downfall when people still go out and buy the more expensive ones.

I spent a couple hours today looking at specific parts for my build.

Heres what i came up with:
(Used ebay for basic reference for now)
Greddy E-manage (i dont plan on driving it more than a few days before being tuned)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...wItem
Injectors
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...wItem
Fuel Pump
http://www.fuel-pumps.net/p546.html

ragethemachine86

Intercooler + Piping (is this even greddy? kinda cheap)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...wItem
Thats all the time i had today but if u guys got some +/- opinions on any of the parts listed let me know.

Once again dont think im getting everything off ebay, i just used it as reference to what my part list might look like when complete.

One last question, how much would a shop charge to create custom piping for a turbo system on my car? Im sure theres someone here who has done it. What kind of price range can i expect?

SpeedFreak77

Here's a great website to answer some of your questions, I am surprised no one mentioned it, http://www.homemadeturbo.com/

You may get a lot more help and recommendations there.

subydoored

hondadata is your friend for tuning. keeps you stock ecu and you can ajust according to how it is running. i got a buddy that we made are own turbo kit and running 7 psi reliable. its a 1990 crx dx with the si conversion and has 156000 miles on it. dont forget gaskets for your kit and a wideband O2 sensor will help alot.

my9thtry

stay away from the ebay garbage, like you said "it looks cheap" trust your gut on that one

ragethemachine86

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yeah like i said im not relying on ebay for parts or accurate prices, just a nice site to have access to all parts at once.

m.c.

someone needs to make a thread listing the best parts for a cheaper low power turbo setup that can run reliably on a stock motor, then sticky it.

Don Jefe

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"someone needs to build my car for me, while stick my thumb in my lazy ***"

what's the difference?

The Weather Man

As i am in the process of piecing together my own turbo kit - i would like to say that there's nothing wrong with "some" ebay items.

Such as: knock off bovs - they work
knock off wastegates - they work
no name intercoolers - they work too
no name oil lines - they work

Stuff like that, get off ebay and save a ton of money. If you do some searching for those knock off items on honda-tech, you will read many success stories. I actually ordered a knock off greddy -s bov, and it is the same exact thing. I'm going to put it on my friend's 240 w rb25 maybe today or tomorrow to see how it works.

Piecing together a turbo kit IMO is way better than buying one, because you get what YOU want. Turbo kits rarely ever come with everything you need, so you eventually have to buy more things anyway.

I wouldn't go cheap on the injectors, or the turbo.

I'll probably end up spending close to $4,000 on my kit, although i'm getting some cheap parts. HOWEVER, i'm getting everything i need - such as fuel pump, injectors, fpr, bov, clutch, flywheel, FMIC, manifold, arp head studs, eagle rods, hondata s300, wideband, turbo, pistons.........**** like that.

So, although it is costing more, i won't ever have to go back to buy something.All that for $4000 vs half of that for $3000

Option2BB6

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Man I love that site... def good DIY info there.
Before I decided to go with the JRSC, I was browsing those webpages quite often.

Piecing together a custom kit &gt; buying a premade kit

sharkcohen

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http://www.homemadeturbo.com

shutta

weatherman.. I wouldn't jump to conclusions that the BOV is ok. I'll search modified magazines website, they may have it there, but a few months ago in the issue they tested ebay knockoff parts and one was either a BOV or wastegate.. can't remember, it was labeled as greddy and it sucked *****. I'll try to find the issue and scan the article...

The Weather Man

Yeah, i was going off what people said on here from personal experience. I guess maybe its the luck of the draw. The BOv looks good - it wasn't labeled Greddy. They clearly stated that it was a knock off. But hey, if it doesn't work - i'll let everyone know. It looks like good quality though. I don't see a reason why it won't. I used my fingers to push in on the spring and its nice and firm. Can't beat $36 + free shipping. I'll definately test it out though and post it up on here. People need to know right

Hawkze_2.3

Yeah, a BOV would probably be OK as it's not vital, but a wastegate is something not to cheap out on. You get a cheapo and it may not keep your boost where you want it, it might have a POS diaphram inside, it might be made of materials that can't handle exhaust heat for very long....who knows?

Buy good parts and save yourself the headaches.

prelittlelude

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hawkze_2.3 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, a BOV would probably be OK as it's not vital, but a wastegate is something not to cheap out on. You get a cheapo and it may not keep your boost where you want it, it might have a POS diaphram inside, it might be made of materials that can't handle exhaust heat for very long....who knows?

Buy good parts and save yourself the headaches. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i run a saab 9000 bypass valve as my BOV, saved me the extra 50 or whatever for a "real" bov and mine doesn't make those good aweful ******* anoying ricer wistle sounds