Dyno'd my prelude :)
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoolinlude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
actually you're both wrong....... a BOV has nothing to do with wether or not you ""blow"" your motor, it only prevents compressor surge, which in some peoples opinions (not my own) shortens the life of your turbo, i spend a great deal of time at a turbo exchange, the owner of which has been turboing just about everything for the last 40years.. he has YET TO RUN A BOV, on anything-- of his own(some of his customers insist on running BOV's) and has yet to have any reason to blame a hurt turbo on not having a BOV, in fact, he gets pretty angry when anyone even mentions them.... furthermore, the BOV releases the air pressure inside the charge pipe when the throttle plate is closed thus making it necessary to re-spool the turbo when shifting gears, you can however elminate this, by elminating the BOV, and flat shifting, if ure feeling really saucy....but thats not the debate here, and certainly not the point of this posting....
BTW: nice looking car.... come see me when you get a built motor.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
yup, thats pretty much what I said, I brought in a throttle plate because he said it may blow the motor which is'nt feasable if your motor is'nt taking any charged air since the plate is closed. When the plate closes you get vacuum in your intake manifold. You run a vacuum line to a "BOV" when that vacuum occurs it sucks a valve open and gives the charged air a place to escape to. There is 2 different kinds, open atmosphere and recirculating. Recirculating is much quiter but lets that air escape back into the turbo inlet. By running a bov you are essentialy keeping turbine speed up because there is no back pressure forcing the compressor to deselerate when the throttle plate closes. And all in all when the throttle plate comes back wide open it's much easier to come back into boost when turbine speeds are increased
Thanks for the compliments and why do you suggest I make a visit once she's built. I already have a fantastic tuner
actually you're both wrong....... a BOV has nothing to do with wether or not you ""blow"" your motor, it only prevents compressor surge, which in some peoples opinions (not my own) shortens the life of your turbo, i spend a great deal of time at a turbo exchange, the owner of which has been turboing just about everything for the last 40years.. he has YET TO RUN A BOV, on anything-- of his own(some of his customers insist on running BOV's) and has yet to have any reason to blame a hurt turbo on not having a BOV, in fact, he gets pretty angry when anyone even mentions them.... furthermore, the BOV releases the air pressure inside the charge pipe when the throttle plate is closed thus making it necessary to re-spool the turbo when shifting gears, you can however elminate this, by elminating the BOV, and flat shifting, if ure feeling really saucy....but thats not the debate here, and certainly not the point of this posting....
BTW: nice looking car.... come see me when you get a built motor.....</TD></TR></TABLE>
yup, thats pretty much what I said, I brought in a throttle plate because he said it may blow the motor which is'nt feasable if your motor is'nt taking any charged air since the plate is closed. When the plate closes you get vacuum in your intake manifold. You run a vacuum line to a "BOV" when that vacuum occurs it sucks a valve open and gives the charged air a place to escape to. There is 2 different kinds, open atmosphere and recirculating. Recirculating is much quiter but lets that air escape back into the turbo inlet. By running a bov you are essentialy keeping turbine speed up because there is no back pressure forcing the compressor to deselerate when the throttle plate closes. And all in all when the throttle plate comes back wide open it's much easier to come back into boost when turbine speeds are increased
Thanks for the compliments and why do you suggest I make a visit once she's built. I already have a fantastic tuner
02-26-2006, 01:50 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by c61lude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Thanks for the compliments and why do you suggest I make a visit once she's built. I already have a fantastic tuner </TD></TR></TABLE>
I've been down for about a year n a half now..... but gimme a couple of weeks, i still got a few tricks up my sleeve......
Thanks for the compliments and why do you suggest I make a visit once she's built. I already have a fantastic tuner
</TD></TR></TABLE>I've been down for about a year n a half now..... but gimme a couple of weeks, i still got a few tricks up my sleeve......
02-26-2006, 01:59 PM
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Great set-up and nice results 
As far as the guys arguing, stop it. It's obvious who does and who doesn't know what they are talking about in this thread.
As far as the guys arguing, stop it. It's obvious who does and who doesn't know what they are talking about in this thread.
02-26-2006, 03:17 PM
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Re: Dyno'd my prelude :) (c61lude)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by c61lude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
dyno is a bit rocky because I was misfiring on the rollers, not sure why. probably because I have'nt changed my plugs in like 3k miles and they were gapped at .27. Maybe replacing with new ones and gapping at .22 would help. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i think that your .27 gap is just fine for your power level, if you gapped them smaller it won't make a difference,
im willing to bet its just the build up from the rich a/f ratios in boost, i notice this too, also part of my problem is i have yet to fine tune my warm up enrichment, so for me rich warmup and rich boost pulls, and i notice i get some missing sometimes.
what is your uper timing in boost look like, im using the aem ems too, are you runing with boost comp? i think i have like 23 ish degrees of timing at redline at 11 psi.. how do you compare?
dyno is a bit rocky because I was misfiring on the rollers, not sure why. probably because I have'nt changed my plugs in like 3k miles and they were gapped at .27. Maybe replacing with new ones and gapping at .22 would help. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i think that your .27 gap is just fine for your power level, if you gapped them smaller it won't make a difference,
im willing to bet its just the build up from the rich a/f ratios in boost, i notice this too, also part of my problem is i have yet to fine tune my warm up enrichment, so for me rich warmup and rich boost pulls, and i notice i get some missing sometimes.
what is your uper timing in boost look like, im using the aem ems too, are you runing with boost comp? i think i have like 23 ish degrees of timing at redline at 11 psi.. how do you compare?
02-26-2006, 03:55 PM
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^^ hmm, I've been considering switching to a direct fire ignition but I have'nt really done any research at all and don't really even know whats' involved. But regardless after the boost is turned up I'm gonna have to figure something out to eliminate the mis-firing
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoolinlude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I've been down for about a year n a half now..... but gimme a couple of weeks, i still got a few tricks up my sleeve...... </TD></TR></TABLE>
down for a year 1/2? damn what for? , what kinda tricks
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Great set-up and nice results
As far as the guys arguing, stop it. It's obvious who does and who doesn't know what they are talking about in this thread.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks for the compliments
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spoolinlude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I've been down for about a year n a half now..... but gimme a couple of weeks, i still got a few tricks up my sleeve...... </TD></TR></TABLE>
down for a year 1/2? damn what for? , what kinda tricks
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Great set-up and nice results
As far as the guys arguing, stop it. It's obvious who does and who doesn't know what they are talking about in this thread.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks for the compliments
02-26-2006, 05:01 PM
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that car is SICK!! i love it. and to all of you that think that kind of power cant be made on a stock block are wrong. look at all of the people who have done it here on the board. and YES it is ALL in the tune. st00pid on the board tuned an h22 to 400+ and then 500+ hp on a stock block. my build will put me at about the same hp levels as this guy and im not affraid of a thing. the sleeves are strong the pistons are good (except the damn ring lands) but other than that the motor is for the most part strong. hell even if you break a ring land you will most likely to bore out the cylinder (yes i mean the stock frm sleeves) and bam you are good to go again.
nice numbers man
nice numbers man
02-26-2006, 06:36 PM
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its no surprise to me that you started an argument....you seem to love that
news flash c61: you and your prelude are NOT the greatest thing to ever hit the earth, get off of yourself
now......saying that a better powerband makes a slower car is ridiculous.....
either way, you have proven that a turboed stock block prelude can last 10,000 miles, congrats....i do think you should be able to make spark plugs last longer than 3k though...
i love how your car looks....i hate to be arguing with you when your car is my current desktop pic...lol
news flash c61: you and your prelude are NOT the greatest thing to ever hit the earth, get off of yourself
now......saying that a better powerband makes a slower car is ridiculous.....
either way, you have proven that a turboed stock block prelude can last 10,000 miles, congrats....i do think you should be able to make spark plugs last longer than 3k though...
i love how your car looks....i hate to be arguing with you when your car is my current desktop pic...lol
02-26-2006, 08:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its no surprise to me that you started an argument....you seem to love that
news flash c61: you and your prelude are NOT the greatest thing to ever hit the earth, get off of yourself
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I know enough to know that if I saw this thread 2 years ago I would be impressed and the only thing you had to say was negative. When something above average happens the only thing haters can come up with is some bull **** negative pescemistic response. I hate haters
I am a opinionated outspoken person, thats just who I am. Sometimes people coincide that with arrogance. Beleive what you will, I am who I am.
news flash c61: you and your prelude are NOT the greatest thing to ever hit the earth, get off of yourself
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I know enough to know that if I saw this thread 2 years ago I would be impressed and the only thing you had to say was negative. When something above average happens the only thing haters can come up with is some bull **** negative pescemistic response. I hate haters
I am a opinionated outspoken person, thats just who I am. Sometimes people coincide that with arrogance. Beleive what you will, I am who I am.
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mgags did just give u a complement though he did say your car was his desktop back ground so give him that much credit lol 
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will do, I'm not into holding grudges, so thanks for the compliments mgags.
</TD></TR></TABLE>will do, I'm not into holding grudges, so thanks for the compliments mgags.
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I tuned the car, and I have to tell you the powerband is just fine. The car is a ******* beast, and if I remember right, didn't you trap like 110mph? The only reason the car is not hooking up is the fact he is running 18" rims.
I also have not touched the car since we street tuned it about a year ago, and Ben didn't tell me that he was going to hit the dyno. The results are pretty good. I even told Ben, that it would probably have to be fine tuned, but I couldn't do anything without a dyno.
For a stock block it is holding up pretty good, but the weakpoint is still those ringlands. Good tune or not, those ringslands are just weak. I am not sure what will happen once he turns up the boost, but it doesn't really matter cause Ben is just looking for a reason to build the damn motor. But to his surprise the block is holding up to quite a bit of abuse, cause for some reason his one fab manifold spikes like a bitch. I am not sure what exactly what is his problems are with his ignition, I wasn't there for the dyno. But I am pretty sure it's something that can be easily resolved so we can get a rpm/torque plot the next time he feels like hitting up the dyno.
I also have not touched the car since we street tuned it about a year ago, and Ben didn't tell me that he was going to hit the dyno. The results are pretty good. I even told Ben, that it would probably have to be fine tuned, but I couldn't do anything without a dyno.
For a stock block it is holding up pretty good, but the weakpoint is still those ringlands. Good tune or not, those ringslands are just weak. I am not sure what will happen once he turns up the boost, but it doesn't really matter cause Ben is just looking for a reason to build the damn motor. But to his surprise the block is holding up to quite a bit of abuse, cause for some reason his one fab manifold spikes like a bitch. I am not sure what exactly what is his problems are with his ignition, I wasn't there for the dyno. But I am pretty sure it's something that can be easily resolved so we can get a rpm/torque plot the next time he feels like hitting up the dyno.
02-27-2006, 11:27 AM
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love the car (i see you more on po.com) but i just have one newb question.
do you dyno turbo cars in different gears than in NA cars? i was always under the assumption you dyno at the gear closest to a 1 ratio, which is basically 4th gear?
yes, no, more complicated answer?
thanks
do you dyno turbo cars in different gears than in NA cars? i was always under the assumption you dyno at the gear closest to a 1 ratio, which is basically 4th gear?
yes, no, more complicated answer?
thanks
02-27-2006, 12:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BodyKits NW »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I tuned the car, and I have to tell you the powerband is just fine. The car is a ******* beast, and if I remember right, didn't you trap like 110mph? The only reason the car is not hooking up is the fact he is running 18" rims.
I also have not touched the car since we street tuned it about a year ago, and Ben didn't tell me that he was going to hit the dyno. The results are pretty good. I even told Ben, that it would probably have to be fine tuned, but I couldn't do anything without a dyno.
For a stock block it is holding up pretty good, but the weakpoint is still those ringlands. Good tune or not, those ringslands are just weak. I am not sure what will happen once he turns up the boost, but it doesn't really matter cause Ben is just looking for a reason to build the damn motor. But to his surprise the block is holding up to quite a bit of abuse, cause for some reason his one fab manifold spikes like a bitch. I am not sure what exactly what is his problems are with his ignition, I wasn't there for the dyno. But I am pretty sure it's something that can be easily resolved so we can get a rpm/torque plot the next time he feels like hitting up the dyno. </TD></TR></TABLE>
woot, I ran the car at the track on my 18" volks with 215/35/18 yokohama parada spec 2 tires. trapped 110 and ran a 13.7 with a 2.4 60 foot.
I also have not touched the car since we street tuned it about a year ago, and Ben didn't tell me that he was going to hit the dyno. The results are pretty good. I even told Ben, that it would probably have to be fine tuned, but I couldn't do anything without a dyno.
For a stock block it is holding up pretty good, but the weakpoint is still those ringlands. Good tune or not, those ringslands are just weak. I am not sure what will happen once he turns up the boost, but it doesn't really matter cause Ben is just looking for a reason to build the damn motor. But to his surprise the block is holding up to quite a bit of abuse, cause for some reason his one fab manifold spikes like a bitch. I am not sure what exactly what is his problems are with his ignition, I wasn't there for the dyno. But I am pretty sure it's something that can be easily resolved so we can get a rpm/torque plot the next time he feels like hitting up the dyno. </TD></TR></TABLE>
woot, I ran the car at the track on my 18" volks with 215/35/18 yokohama parada spec 2 tires. trapped 110 and ran a 13.7 with a 2.4 60 foot.
02-27-2006, 02:57 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by c61lude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
woot, I ran the car at the track on my 18" volks with 215/35/18 yokohama parada spec 2 tires. trapped 110 and ran a 13.7 with a 2.4 60 foot.</TD></TR></TABLE>
awesome whp numbers for a stock h22a motor. I've actually seen you a couple times cruising down I-167.
I'd like to see how I match up with a 300whp prelude. lol...
I drive a red 4th gen prelude with a CF hood. all stock dropped a few inches with paint-matched sideskirts. haven't seen too many preludes like mine's. if you see me, lets hit up a run.
best time so far is 14.5@98mph 2.3 60' on street tires(all motor), added a dry 50 shot. should be in the mid to low 13s with 100mph+ traps(if I can get traction.)
Modified by Honda Sport at 12:21 AM 2/28/2006
woot, I ran the car at the track on my 18" volks with 215/35/18 yokohama parada spec 2 tires. trapped 110 and ran a 13.7 with a 2.4 60 foot.</TD></TR></TABLE>
awesome whp numbers for a stock h22a motor. I've actually seen you a couple times cruising down I-167.
I'd like to see how I match up with a 300whp prelude. lol...
I drive a red 4th gen prelude with a CF hood. all stock dropped a few inches with paint-matched sideskirts.
haven't seen too many preludes like mine's. if you see me, lets hit up a run. best time so far is 14.5@98mph 2.3 60' on street tires(all motor), added a dry 50 shot. should be in the mid to low 13s with 100mph+ traps(if I can get traction.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by c61lude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">woot, I ran the car at the track on my 18" volks with 215/35/18 yokohama parada spec 2 tires. trapped 110 and ran a 13.7 with a 2.4 60 foot.</TD></TR></TABLE>
just so you know, thats horrible, with all that money you have spent on your turbo and all....
ill beat you down the strip, stock block too over here, just one difference....im NA
just so you know, thats horrible, with all that money you have spent on your turbo and all....
ill beat you down the strip, stock block too over here, just one difference....im NA
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just so you know, thats horrible, with all that money you have spent on your turbo and all....
ill beat you down the strip, stock block too over here, just one difference....im NA </TD></TR></TABLE>
god damn man you just don't quit.. do you realize I did that on an oem clutch? no you would'nt have thought about that would you. I'm shifting like a grandpa all the way down the strip so my clutch does'nt slip to hell. If I ran you from a roll on 40mph you would have a change of heart I'm sure. now it's your queue since you don't have a response to that now your hater *** should say "thats stupid all that and your on an oem clutch".. course you would'nt think about that either, it's an sh with a atts differential and I'm putting together an h23 tranny adapter plate intermediate shaft quife lsd together so I can do it right once. Now you say "well your dumb because h23 tranny is to long of gears" for your setup and powerband. etc. etc. and on and on until you finaly stop posting in this thread at all, so just quit it now man your gonna get pwn3d.
When I run at the track I'm looking at trap speed instead of time and then I get a good idea of where I would be with a quife lsd, slicks, and act xtss all installed. The car is'nt done why do you insist upon thinking you know more than me....
Modified by c61lude at 4:48 PM 2/27/2006
Modified by c61lude at 4:50 PM 2/27/2006
just so you know, thats horrible, with all that money you have spent on your turbo and all....
ill beat you down the strip, stock block too over here, just one difference....im NA
</TD></TR></TABLE>god damn man you just don't quit.. do you realize I did that on an oem clutch? no you would'nt have thought about that would you. I'm shifting like a grandpa all the way down the strip so my clutch does'nt slip to hell. If I ran you from a roll on 40mph you would have a change of heart I'm sure. now it's your queue since you don't have a response to that now your hater *** should say "thats stupid all that and your on an oem clutch".. course you would'nt think about that either, it's an sh with a atts differential and I'm putting together an h23 tranny adapter plate intermediate shaft quife lsd together so I can do it right once. Now you say "well your dumb because h23 tranny is to long of gears" for your setup and powerband. etc. etc. and on and on until you finaly stop posting in this thread at all, so just quit it now man your gonna get pwn3d.
When I run at the track I'm looking at trap speed instead of time and then I get a good idea of where I would be with a quife lsd, slicks, and act xtss all installed. The car is'nt done why do you insist upon thinking you know more than me....
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Modified by c61lude at 4:50 PM 2/27/2006
02-27-2006, 04:02 PM
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yeah pwn3d....ill get pwn3d
by a 13.7 second pt61 h22....thats a <FONT SIZE="5">JOKE</FONT>
all you turbo guys are the same, cocky aholes....
yeah im ready to be docked points...
edit: ok precision..ill vent elsewhere, sorry
c61 here is a summary of my standpoint, take it or leave it, bc i wont post on this thread anymore:
i dont think taking a chance on a stock block with a huge turbo is anything to be proud of, but you do. we will never agree on that
i dont think a 13.7 @ 110 is anything to brag about....yes i know you would kill me from a 40 mph roll, a fast turbo car will beat most any NA car from a roll.....when considering my i/h/e prelude vs a 320hp turbo car its a bit unfair, i was merely saying that your 1/4 sucks, due to the tractional problems that are part of the nature of a peaky turbo powerband
if you sleeved and threw some forged stuff into the block, then layed the boost on, you would have a sick car, then you could do a little with the head and intake side, and make amazing power....and that would be great, though i do understand you did this to prove people wrong
matt
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Modified by mgags7 at 8:17 PM 2/27/2006
by a 13.7 second pt61 h22....thats a <FONT SIZE="5">JOKE</FONT>
all you turbo guys are the same, cocky aholes....
yeah im ready to be docked points...
edit: ok precision..ill vent elsewhere, sorry
c61 here is a summary of my standpoint, take it or leave it, bc i wont post on this thread anymore:
i dont think taking a chance on a stock block with a huge turbo is anything to be proud of, but you do. we will never agree on that
i dont think a 13.7 @ 110 is anything to brag about....yes i know you would kill me from a 40 mph roll, a fast turbo car will beat most any NA car from a roll.....when considering my i/h/e prelude vs a 320hp turbo car its a bit unfair, i was merely saying that your 1/4 sucks, due to the tractional problems that are part of the nature of a peaky turbo powerband
if you sleeved and threw some forged stuff into the block, then layed the boost on, you would have a sick car, then you could do a little with the head and intake side, and make amazing power....and that would be great, though i do understand you did this to prove people wrong
matt
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Modified by mgags7 at 8:17 PM 2/27/2006
02-27-2006, 04:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah pwn3d....ill get pwn3d
by a 13.7 second pt61 h22....thats a <FONT SIZE="5">JOKE</FONT>
all you turbo guys are the same, cocky aholes....
yeah im ready to be docked points...</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are a decent member and you've helped out in the past. Please lose the little attitude you've had on here lately. Thanks
PM me if you need to vent.
by a 13.7 second pt61 h22....thats a <FONT SIZE="5">JOKE</FONT>
all you turbo guys are the same, cocky aholes....
yeah im ready to be docked points...</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are a decent member and you've helped out in the past. Please lose the little attitude you've had on here lately. Thanks
PM me if you need to vent.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah pwn3d....ill get pwn3d
by a 13.7 second pt61 h22....thats a <FONT SIZE="5">JOKE</FONT>
all you turbo guys are the same, cocky aholes....
yeah im ready to be docked points...
edit: ok precision..ill vent elsewhere, sorry
c61 here is a summary of my standpoint, take it or leave it, bc i wont post on this thread anymore:
i dont think taking a chance on a stock block with a huge turbo is anything to be proud of, but you do. we will never agree on that
i dont think a 13.7 @ 110 is anything to brag about....yes i know you would kill me from a 40 mph roll, a fast turbo car will beat most any NA car from a roll.....when considering my i/h/e prelude vs a 320hp turbo car its a bit unfair, i was merely saying that your 1/4 sucks, due to the tractional problems that are part of the nature of a peaky turbo powerband
if you sleeved and threw some forged stuff into the block, then layed the boost on, you would have a sick car, then you could do a little with the head and intake side, and make amazing power....and that would be great, though i do understand you did this to prove people wrong
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okee dokee
, hate away I would expect nothing less uhg for christ sake man it's not a pt its an sc-61. I'm really not conserned about making max power right now. I've got the power and had it for some time and am more concerned about putting the power I have right now to the ground and suprisingly 330whp is a fantastic street car. I have AAA and the car is'nt daily driven so it's no big deal if it pops, I just tow it home hoist the motor and ship it to benson.
You say you don't think taking a chance on a stock block is anything to be proud of. Thats just it you still don't get it, I was'nt taking any chances from the beginning. This whole build is a very plotted precise path. I planned to push this motor to see what an h22 could make before I built it. Suprisingly it's taken well and I'm rather pleased with my powerband. Right now I'm just trying to get the power to the ground and I think I'm quite capable of 12's with lsd, slicks, and clutch.
And you say that my 1/4 mile sucks because of my traction? Actualy I specificaly remember you saying that my 1/4 mile sucked for how much money I put into it. I am damn proud of hitting a 13.7 @ 110 on stock clutch with 18/35/215 tires. Lets throw my wheels on your car and see if you can break 15's
If I built my motor it would be sick? As you said before my car was already sick and it was your desktop. A bit contradicting don't you think?
Case closed
I do see were you are coming from you think that I'm done, that I just slapped a fat turbo on my h22 because I'm ignorant. From that stand point I could see how a gt30r would be ideal. But thats not the case, I just want flexibility and making power before 4k rpms does'nt interest me for a few reasons
#1 your beatin on your block even if you don't want to, a smaller turbo will produce boost sooner. If small enough you can produce boost even when your partial throttle.
#2 I built this setup under the presumption that more pressure = more heat and the killer of 99% of turbo honda blocks is heat. Smaller turbo = more pressure to produce same power as larger turbo, power band is'nt as steep but I like my steep powerband, rather than an instant jump in power early on it comes on strong and pulls harder and harder and harder the faster you go, truely a great feeling.
#3 smaller turbo's make worse gas milage because your boosting even when your not wot.
Modified by c61lude at 11:57 PM 2/27/2006
Modified by c61lude at 11:59 PM 2/27/2006
by a 13.7 second pt61 h22....thats a <FONT SIZE="5">JOKE</FONT>
all you turbo guys are the same, cocky aholes....
yeah im ready to be docked points...
edit: ok precision..ill vent elsewhere, sorry
c61 here is a summary of my standpoint, take it or leave it, bc i wont post on this thread anymore:
i dont think taking a chance on a stock block with a huge turbo is anything to be proud of, but you do. we will never agree on that
i dont think a 13.7 @ 110 is anything to brag about....yes i know you would kill me from a 40 mph roll, a fast turbo car will beat most any NA car from a roll.....when considering my i/h/e prelude vs a 320hp turbo car its a bit unfair, i was merely saying that your 1/4 sucks, due to the tractional problems that are part of the nature of a peaky turbo powerband
if you sleeved and threw some forged stuff into the block, then layed the boost on, you would have a sick car, then you could do a little with the head and intake side, and make amazing power....and that would be great, though i do understand you did this to prove people wrong
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okee dokee
, hate away I would expect nothing less uhg for christ sake man it's not a pt its an sc-61. I'm really not conserned about making max power right now. I've got the power and had it for some time and am more concerned about putting the power I have right now to the ground and suprisingly 330whp is a fantastic street car. I have AAA and the car is'nt daily driven so it's no big deal if it pops, I just tow it home hoist the motor and ship it to benson.You say you don't think taking a chance on a stock block is anything to be proud of. Thats just it you still don't get it, I was'nt taking any chances from the beginning. This whole build is a very plotted precise path. I planned to push this motor to see what an h22 could make before I built it. Suprisingly it's taken well and I'm rather pleased with my powerband. Right now I'm just trying to get the power to the ground and I think I'm quite capable of 12's with lsd, slicks, and clutch.
And you say that my 1/4 mile sucks because of my traction? Actualy I specificaly remember you saying that my 1/4 mile sucked for how much money I put into it. I am damn proud of hitting a 13.7 @ 110 on stock clutch with 18/35/215 tires. Lets throw my wheels on your car and see if you can break 15's
If I built my motor it would be sick? As you said before my car was already sick and it was your desktop. A bit contradicting don't you think?
Case closed
I do see were you are coming from you think that I'm done, that I just slapped a fat turbo on my h22 because I'm ignorant. From that stand point I could see how a gt30r would be ideal. But thats not the case, I just want flexibility and making power before 4k rpms does'nt interest me for a few reasons
#1 your beatin on your block even if you don't want to, a smaller turbo will produce boost sooner. If small enough you can produce boost even when your partial throttle.
#2 I built this setup under the presumption that more pressure = more heat and the killer of 99% of turbo honda blocks is heat. Smaller turbo = more pressure to produce same power as larger turbo, power band is'nt as steep but I like my steep powerband, rather than an instant jump in power early on it comes on strong and pulls harder and harder and harder the faster you go, truely a great feeling.
#3 smaller turbo's make worse gas milage because your boosting even when your not wot.
Modified by c61lude at 11:57 PM 2/27/2006
Modified by c61lude at 11:59 PM 2/27/2006