250+ NA hp?
08-26-2005, 08:40 PM
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sorry but i don thikn your a real; car guy ....
why would i try to make my accord fast...well caus ei have it and its a chalange .
why is he wanting to do this in a prelude ..cause he has it and he likes his car ....anyone could boost the h22 and get 250whp...that would be easy .
dont get me wrong im a fan of alot of cars and i wish i had alot of other cars ...i see what your saying ,RWD will transfer the power better . but its not always about that
why would i try to make my accord fast...well caus ei have it and its a chalange .
why is he wanting to do this in a prelude ..cause he has it and he likes his car ....anyone could boost the h22 and get 250whp...that would be easy .
dont get me wrong im a fan of alot of cars and i wish i had alot of other cars ...i see what your saying ,RWD will transfer the power better . but its not always about that
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Don't get me wrong, I love the Prelude. I owned a '97 for a year and a half and it was an overall fantastic car.
I can understand the drive to doing something that many other people haven't. To get 250hp out of a N/A h22 is a fairly impressive feat. However, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. Yes, the car is going to be a bit zippier, but not $6,000 zippier.
Enjoy the Prelude for what it is: a practical 2 door sports coupe that has a good amount of zip to it, gets decent gas mileage, has fantastic looks, handles fairly well, and is reliable as all hell.
When you start messing with this stuff, you begin to lose a lot of the attributes that make the Prelude great, namely the gas mileage, handling (not that much, but you're going to experience more torque-steer), and reliablility. All for just a little bit extra push? Even with 250hp (so around 210 to the wheels), you'll still have a hard time breaking into the low to mid 14s, if that.
I'm just arguing that if you're willing to make those sacrifices, why not do it in a car that will be a hell of a lot faster for the same amount of money?
If I were to dump 6,000 into my MR2 Turbo, I could quite easily be pushing 350-400whp on a reliable, daily driving build. As I bought my car for just $7,000 with an AEM EMS and tons of other supporting mods, all it would take to achieve this power would be a new turbo, new fuel injectors, and a couple hours of dyno tuning.
Once again, I'm not saying that Preludes are crappy cars or anything. I love my old Prelude, and still miss it despite my current car being a hell of a lot faster. It's just that I think the money could be better spent on a project that would overall be a lot more fun.
I can understand the drive to doing something that many other people haven't. To get 250hp out of a N/A h22 is a fairly impressive feat. However, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. Yes, the car is going to be a bit zippier, but not $6,000 zippier.
Enjoy the Prelude for what it is: a practical 2 door sports coupe that has a good amount of zip to it, gets decent gas mileage, has fantastic looks, handles fairly well, and is reliable as all hell.
When you start messing with this stuff, you begin to lose a lot of the attributes that make the Prelude great, namely the gas mileage, handling (not that much, but you're going to experience more torque-steer), and reliablility. All for just a little bit extra push? Even with 250hp (so around 210 to the wheels), you'll still have a hard time breaking into the low to mid 14s, if that.
I'm just arguing that if you're willing to make those sacrifices, why not do it in a car that will be a hell of a lot faster for the same amount of money?
If I were to dump 6,000 into my MR2 Turbo, I could quite easily be pushing 350-400whp on a reliable, daily driving build. As I bought my car for just $7,000 with an AEM EMS and tons of other supporting mods, all it would take to achieve this power would be a new turbo, new fuel injectors, and a couple hours of dyno tuning.
Once again, I'm not saying that Preludes are crappy cars or anything. I love my old Prelude, and still miss it despite my current car being a hell of a lot faster. It's just that I think the money could be better spent on a project that would overall be a lot more fun.
08-26-2005, 09:51 PM
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you are talking about a piggy 5th gen....in a 4th gen or in a hybrid, and we are talking about 250whp....that h22 will kill that mr2, and it still will be more reliable, fun, and ALL MOTOR....
08-26-2005, 10:17 PM
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I'm not fighting with you guys, but I must defend the MR2.
If you seriously think a 250hp Prelude is going to come close to keeping with a modified MR2 Turbo, you're mistaken.
Stock MR2 Turbos run 6s 0-60s and 14.7s quarter miles. That's with 200hp and 200ft-lbs torque. A 4th Gen VTEC Prelude runs mid 15s in the quarter mile.
The MR2 Turbo is about 200-300 pounds lighter than a 4th Gen Prelude, is mid-engined and RWD. With a 210whp Prelude, you're going to get a lot of wheelspin before your tires finally connect. With my 220whp MR2 Turbo, I'm able to launch from 5000rpm with the faintest little chirp. As it is now, I'm faster than my friend's stock '05 G35 Coupe, with almost 40 less engine horsepower.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Prelude is a terrible car. It's just not meant for drag racing. It is a zippy FWD sports coupe that is more than capable when it comes to corners. By increasing the horsepower, you're losing the cars ability to tackle low speed corners due to having to fight with torque steer.
Modified by Buddhastic at 8:15 PM 8/27/2005
If you seriously think a 250hp Prelude is going to come close to keeping with a modified MR2 Turbo, you're mistaken.
Stock MR2 Turbos run 6s 0-60s and 14.7s quarter miles. That's with 200hp and 200ft-lbs torque. A 4th Gen VTEC Prelude runs mid 15s in the quarter mile.
The MR2 Turbo is about 200-300 pounds lighter than a 4th Gen Prelude, is mid-engined and RWD. With a 210whp Prelude, you're going to get a lot of wheelspin before your tires finally connect. With my 220whp MR2 Turbo, I'm able to launch from 5000rpm with the faintest little chirp. As it is now, I'm faster than my friend's stock '05 G35 Coupe, with almost 40 less engine horsepower.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Prelude is a terrible car. It's just not meant for drag racing. It is a zippy FWD sports coupe that is more than capable when it comes to corners. By increasing the horsepower, you're losing the cars ability to tackle low speed corners due to having to fight with torque steer.
Modified by Buddhastic at 8:15 PM 8/27/2005
08-27-2005, 05:49 AM
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Re: 250+ NA hp? (h22 vtec lude)
a friend of mine has very similar set up and put down 215whp.
port&polish head
skunk2 IM
skunk2 stage 2 camshafts, gears, valve springs, retainers
smsp header
p28 chipped or hondata
tune it and you'll be happy with the result.
all of those would cost less than 3g.
port&polish head
skunk2 IM
skunk2 stage 2 camshafts, gears, valve springs, retainers
smsp header
p28 chipped or hondata
tune it and you'll be happy with the result.
all of those would cost less than 3g.
08-27-2005, 01:30 PM
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Well since we're talking about prices and cars which could get you more performance for your money I'm going to have to suggest the all out best bang for your buck. Get a nice low mileage 89-93 mustang 5.0 for around 4-5k which already has 225 hp stock. These mustangs have one of the largest availability of aftermarket parts putting that 6k your willing to spend to good use.
Parts to get:
afr 165cc heads- $1100
Trick Flow Racing intake- $500
70mm TB- $160
Ford Racing B-303 cam- $120
24lb injectors- $160
Bassani hearders-$249
Bassain X-pipe - $400
Flow master 2 chamber mufflers- $200
just these upgrades will run you around $3000 and give you hp increases over 300 ponies. Hell with whats left you could possible throw on a good used super charger and see times in the high 12's.
I have both an 88' mustang GT pushing 362 rwhp and a 98' prelude sh. Each car is unique in its own right; but at times I actually enjoy driving the prelude more than the GT.
Parts to get:
afr 165cc heads- $1100
Trick Flow Racing intake- $500
70mm TB- $160
Ford Racing B-303 cam- $120
24lb injectors- $160
Bassani hearders-$249
Bassain X-pipe - $400
Flow master 2 chamber mufflers- $200
just these upgrades will run you around $3000 and give you hp increases over 300 ponies. Hell with whats left you could possible throw on a good used super charger and see times in the high 12's.
I have both an 88' mustang GT pushing 362 rwhp and a 98' prelude sh. Each car is unique in its own right; but at times I actually enjoy driving the prelude more than the GT.
08-27-2005, 01:44 PM
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Re: 250+ NA hp? (Sonik_fury)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sonik_fury »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESLEEVE THE BLOCK IF YOU USE THESE PISTONS. Mahle Gold Series pistons are designed to be used with the fiber-reinforced sleeves in the h22a. These guys are regular OEM and RACE suppliers for PORSCHE, so I trust them......
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Oh wow, so you have personally tried these and verified that they work???
08-27-2005, 02:11 PM
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I'm not fighting with you guys, but I must defend the MR2.
If you seriously think a 250hp Prelude is going to come close to keeping with a modified MR2 Turbo, you're mistaken.
Stock MR2 Turbos run 6s 0-60s and 14.7s quarter miles. A 4th Gen VTEC Prelude runs mid 15s in the quarter mile.
The MR2 Turbo is about 200-300 pounds lighter than a 4th Gen Prelude, is mid-engined and RWD. With a 210whp Prelude, you're going to get a lot of wheelspin before your tires finally connect. With my 220whp MR2 Turbo, I'm able to launch from 5000rpm with the faintest little chirp. As it is now, I'm faster than my friend's stock '05 G35 Coupe, with almost 40 less engine horsepower.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Prelude is a terrible car. It's just not meant for drag racing. It is a zippy FWD sports coupe that is more than capable when it comes to corners. By increasing the horsepower, you're losing the cars ability to tackle low speed corners due to having to fight with torque steer.
If you seriously think a 250hp Prelude is going to come close to keeping with a modified MR2 Turbo, you're mistaken.
Stock MR2 Turbos run 6s 0-60s and 14.7s quarter miles. A 4th Gen VTEC Prelude runs mid 15s in the quarter mile.
The MR2 Turbo is about 200-300 pounds lighter than a 4th Gen Prelude, is mid-engined and RWD. With a 210whp Prelude, you're going to get a lot of wheelspin before your tires finally connect. With my 220whp MR2 Turbo, I'm able to launch from 5000rpm with the faintest little chirp. As it is now, I'm faster than my friend's stock '05 G35 Coupe, with almost 40 less engine horsepower.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Prelude is a terrible car. It's just not meant for drag racing. It is a zippy FWD sports coupe that is more than capable when it comes to corners. By increasing the horsepower, you're losing the cars ability to tackle low speed corners due to having to fight with torque steer.
08-27-2005, 02:31 PM
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This reply is 2 the MRpoo guy... First of all I dont want to do this to have the fastest thing on the road because if i did I wouldnt have baught a prelude as a platform.. I Simply want a project for the winter to better my car and put a smile on my face.. As for having more power making my car handle worse.... NOT really ! If you dont know how to drive than more power may affect your cornering skills, but lets face it you have a mid engine rear wheel drive car made by toyota its not a porsche and MR2s dont handle for **** and are a hell of alot harder to handle then my prelude! As of right now my lude runs a 14.4 in the 1/4 with intake exhaust, cam gears, afc2, fuel pressure reg., azenis tires, and a good clutch.. Now i dont know what ill run with what i plan on doing but it will be better than a 15.5 whom ever wrote that! Keep launching your MR2 at those rpms and see how long your drivetran lasts and lets not forget this is Honda-tech not Toyota-tech.. Sry if i come off as a dick just wanted to put my 2 cents in.
08-27-2005, 02:57 PM
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Re: 250+ NA hp? (Buddhastic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Buddhastic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> When I have 270whp, I'm hoping to be able to keep up with an STi, if not edge it out very slightly.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I was able to beat two STi's at VIR with 179whp. And I am talking about keeping ahead of them throughout a 20 minute session. Oh, I still have my speed limiter too.
It was a great feeling when both walked up to me to ask what I had done to my car. The expression on their faces when I told them a VTEC engine with intake and exhaust was ****** PRICELESS!!!
Oh, I have a video of me passing a Ferrari Testarossa at Summit Point too. Let me know if you want to see it.
Yes, the Prelude is not the best platform for an all out performance car, but it is one freakin fun car to drive that doesn't cost too much and can keep up with some of the newer cars out there. That's more than I expected.
I own a 2001 325ci, 1992 Prelude, and an 1989 240SX. Out these cars, the Prelude is the one that gets me excited as I am shifting through the gears.
I was able to beat two STi's at VIR with 179whp. And I am talking about keeping ahead of them throughout a 20 minute session. Oh, I still have my speed limiter too.
It was a great feeling when both walked up to me to ask what I had done to my car. The expression on their faces when I told them a VTEC engine with intake and exhaust was ****** PRICELESS!!!
Oh, I have a video of me passing a Ferrari Testarossa at Summit Point too. Let me know if you want to see it.
Yes, the Prelude is not the best platform for an all out performance car, but it is one freakin fun car to drive that doesn't cost too much and can keep up with some of the newer cars out there. That's more than I expected.
I own a 2001 325ci, 1992 Prelude, and an 1989 240SX. Out these cars, the Prelude is the one that gets me excited as I am shifting through the gears.
08-27-2005, 04:57 PM
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Check out my motor setup here bro!! It is up for sale, has ZERO miles, and seems like just what you're looking for! 250+whp on my setup will be a breeze as long as you have a good tuner!
More pictures and specs on my link bro!
Check out my motor setup here bro!! It is up for sale, has ZERO miles, and seems like just what you're looking for! 250+whp on my setup will be a breeze as long as you have a good tuner!
More pictures and specs on my link bro!
08-27-2005, 05:03 PM
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Re: 250+ NA hp? (AndyD)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AndyD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh, I have a video of me passing a Ferrari Testarossa at Summit Point too. Let me know if you want to see it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I wanna see them!
And with my POS car on stock suspension, and DOT tires I can beat S2000's all day long at my local circuit. I have passed older corvettes, and Porches to boot. Screw the 1320 the Prelude is all about the turns.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Buddhastic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">By increasing the horsepower, you're losing the cars ability to tackle low speed corners due to having to fight with torque steer. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That is a crock of bullshit. It does not matter of you have 500 horsepower, if you can feaher the gas pedal through a turn and learn to set your entry speed then there is nothing wrong with more power.
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</TD></TR></TABLE>I wanna see them!
And with my POS car on stock suspension, and DOT tires I can beat S2000's all day long at my local circuit. I have passed older corvettes, and Porches to boot. Screw the 1320 the Prelude is all about the turns.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Buddhastic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">By increasing the horsepower, you're losing the cars ability to tackle low speed corners due to having to fight with torque steer. </TD></TR></TABLE>
That is a crock of bullshit. It does not matter of you have 500 horsepower, if you can feaher the gas pedal through a turn and learn to set your entry speed then there is nothing wrong with more power.
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08-27-2005, 05:26 PM
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are you running stock suspension, cause if you put aside a grand you could put it towards suspension upgrades and nice rubber, it'll make the car even more fun to drive
08-27-2005, 09:07 PM
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Re: 250+ NA hp? (AndyD)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AndyD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Oh, I have a video of me passing a Ferrari Testarossa at Summit Point too. Let me know if you want to see it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I too would like to see this vid.
Oh, I have a video of me passing a Ferrari Testarossa at Summit Point too. Let me know if you want to see it.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I too would like to see this vid.
08-27-2005, 11:59 PM
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If you have $6,000 dollasr to spend and you just want about 210 whp, why don't you just get the Type-S motor and put basic bolt-ons on it. I bet a Type-S motor with a really nice header, air intake, exhaust system, intake manifold, and tuning could get pretty close to 210 whp.
08-28-2005, 05:26 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DIRTYsouthBB6 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you have $6,000 dollasr to spend and you just want about 210 whp, why don't you just get the Type-S motor and put basic bolt-ons on it. I bet a Type-S motor with a really nice header, air intake, exhaust system, intake manifold, and tuning could get pretty close to 210 whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>
good call, get a type S for 4000 and a smsp header, intake and exhaust, there you have over 210whp for sure. best off all, you can abuse it any way you want.
good call, get a type S for 4000 and a smsp header, intake and exhaust, there you have over 210whp for sure. best off all, you can abuse it any way you want.
08-28-2005, 12:20 PM
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Re: 250+ NA hp? (PirateMcFred)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PirateMcFred »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wanna see them!
And with my POS car on stock suspension, and DOT tires I can beat S2000's all day long at my local circuit. I have passed older corvettes, and Porches to boot. Screw the 1320 the Prelude is all about the turns.
That is a crock of bullshit. It does not matter of you have 500 horsepower, if you can feaher the gas pedal through a turn and learn to set your entry speed then there is nothing wrong with more power.
Pirate</TD></TR></TABLE>
The car doesn't lose ability through the turn with more horsepower, rather the driver finds that it's a bigger challenge to negotiate the turn as he intends to. Since grip is limited on a high HP FF car when you've got to make that hard 90 degree left hander, and power out to track out with 500 whp, it requires more precision.
High HP FF cars become at a disadvantage to high hp AWD or RWD cars since the front tires are doing even more work, but at lower hp levels there isn't as much of a difference b/w drivetrains.
And with my POS car on stock suspension, and DOT tires I can beat S2000's all day long at my local circuit. I have passed older corvettes, and Porches to boot. Screw the 1320 the Prelude is all about the turns.
That is a crock of bullshit. It does not matter of you have 500 horsepower, if you can feaher the gas pedal through a turn and learn to set your entry speed then there is nothing wrong with more power.
Pirate</TD></TR></TABLE>
The car doesn't lose ability through the turn with more horsepower, rather the driver finds that it's a bigger challenge to negotiate the turn as he intends to. Since grip is limited on a high HP FF car when you've got to make that hard 90 degree left hander, and power out to track out with 500 whp, it requires more precision.
High HP FF cars become at a disadvantage to high hp AWD or RWD cars since the front tires are doing even more work, but at lower hp levels there isn't as much of a difference b/w drivetrains.
08-28-2005, 01:48 PM
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Hey bro, I PM'd you.... Check out my motor... 250+ to the wheels all motor easily... Let me know if you're interested, and I can work out a deal for you...
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Nice setup on your motor but as for buying it from you I do not have 7500 i have 6000 and you live in CAL and i live in CT so shipping wouldnt be to cheap.. Also although im sure everything is legit with what you have done I would have no way of knowing that you have never started the motor or that what i would be recieving is was you posted here.. I bring this up because I have been rapped a few times on ebay on $$$ items and couldnt afford a few thousand dollar hit to my pocket.. Im not saying this would happen but I would feel safer knowing the work was done myself instead of spending the money for your motor and not getting what i expected..
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Re: 250+ NA hp? (h22 vtec lude)
-jdm h22
-remove balance shaft belt $0
-Ported Stock TB $100
-EuroR IM $300 (w/ mods done)
-JunIII Cams ($1100)
-Stock Compression $Free bitches
-AN-R, SMSP header $700-$1100
-2.5" Exhaust $300 - $400
-Uberdata tuned - $400
Total: $3400.00
should be between 210 and 220whp. on the money. Way under budget.
-remove balance shaft belt $0
-Ported Stock TB $100
-EuroR IM $300 (w/ mods done)
-JunIII Cams ($1100)
-Stock Compression $Free bitches
-AN-R, SMSP header $700-$1100
-2.5" Exhaust $300 - $400
-Uberdata tuned - $400
Total: $3400.00
should be between 210 and 220whp. on the money. Way under budget.
08-30-2005, 04:33 AM
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Re: 250+ NA hp? (bad-monkey)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The car doesn't lose ability through the turn with more horsepower, rather the driver finds that it's a bigger challenge to negotiate the turn as he intends to. Since grip is limited on a high HP FF car when you've got to make that hard 90 degree left hander, and power out to track out with 500 whp, it requires more precision.</TD></TR></TABLE>
True but more power does not make the car slower, maybe the driver depending on experience. But if he is shooting for 210whp then he will not have to worry about it if he knows how not to punch the throttle before every apex. If he really is worried about it then he can get a LSD and that should help the understeer on tight turns.
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True but more power does not make the car slower, maybe the driver depending on experience. But if he is shooting for 210whp then he will not have to worry about it if he knows how not to punch the throttle before every apex. If he really is worried about it then he can get a LSD and that should help the understeer on tight turns.
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