When is the right time to own a 1000cc?
10-07-2007, 11:00 PM
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When is the right time to own a 1000cc?
Just thinking on the topic of a liter bike. Alot of people own them for the speed, handling, and overall riding capabilities. Most of the liter bike owners have crossed over from the 600cc class. I've researched alot and asked people who have ridden with me the most who can critque my riding style and skills.
Agree or disagree, most people have in fact learned how to handle, brake, and ride on the 600cc before stepping into the much different world of a liter bike.
So when do you feel as though you're ready to make that step to own a 1000cc motorcycle?
Agree or disagree, most people have in fact learned how to handle, brake, and ride on the 600cc before stepping into the much different world of a liter bike.
So when do you feel as though you're ready to make that step to own a 1000cc motorcycle?
10-07-2007, 11:33 PM
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Re: When is the right time to own a 1000cc? (D4RE)
Personally, it is going to be different for every rider. Some will argue that a 1000 is more than any mere mortal can use, while others claim they are an absolute must-have. I own a 600 at the moment and know that it is more bike than anybody could safely use on public roads (where I spend 98% of my time), though I feel I may eventually get a 1000 for street use. After riding my friend's 1000 recently, I came to the conclusion that it really was easier to ride than my 600 in terms of daily commuting, and riding of a more benign nature. The 1000 has so much more torque, and doesn't require a downshift to pass traffic or accelerate. It can be putted around on with much less fuss than my 600, and feels especially stable out on the open road. I know that someday soon I will own a liter-bike, the difference however, is that I will not get rid of my 600 for a 1000, but simply add the 1000 to my stable as a daily commuter bike, and build the 600 into a more aggressive street/track weapon. The 600 really is a great all around bike, but the 1000 is more useful on the street when commuting, or riding up to 6/10ths.
10-08-2007, 09:38 AM
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Re: When is the right time to own a 1000cc? (Tornadom)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tornadom »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Personally, it is going to be different for every rider. Some will argue that a 1000 is more than any mere mortal can use, while others claim they are an absolute must-have. I own a 600 at the moment and know that it is more bike than anybody could safely use on public roads (where I spend 98% of my time), though I feel I may eventually get a 1000 for street use. After riding my friend's 1000 recently, I came to the conclusion that it really was easier to ride than my 600 in terms of daily commuting, and riding of a more benign nature. The 1000 has so much more torque, and doesn't require a downshift to pass traffic or accelerate. It can be putted around on with much less fuss than my 600, and feels especially stable out on the open road. I know that someday soon I will own a liter-bike, the difference however, is that I will not get rid of my 600 for a 1000, but simply add the 1000 to my stable as a daily commuter bike, and build the 600 into a more aggressive street/track weapon. The 600 really is a great all around bike, but the 1000 is more useful on the street when commuting, or riding up to 6/10ths.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I hear what you are saying, but some might argue that you can get some other high-torque bike that will be equally pleasant to ride as a commuter, but won't cost near as much to buy, insure and run than a liter-sized supersport. Many twins, or bikes like the FZ-1 come to mind. Hell, even a land missile like the ZX-14 would, IMO, make a better commuter than a GSXR1K, for example.
It seems a bit of a waste to buy a 1000cc to putt along in traffic, ya know? Not to mention uncomfortable.
As to the OP, if you want a 1000cc super sport to squid around on the open road or drag race, any time is fine.
If it is to be used as a track bike, I'd say that when you feel like your 600cc track bike could use more ooomph, then a 7-fiddy or a liter bike may be the answer.
I know I've been riding for about 20 years, and I still don't know if I would have the self control to not do something really stupid on a liter-sized supersport.
I hear what you are saying, but some might argue that you can get some other high-torque bike that will be equally pleasant to ride as a commuter, but won't cost near as much to buy, insure and run than a liter-sized supersport. Many twins, or bikes like the FZ-1 come to mind. Hell, even a land missile like the ZX-14 would, IMO, make a better commuter than a GSXR1K, for example.
It seems a bit of a waste to buy a 1000cc to putt along in traffic, ya know? Not to mention uncomfortable.
As to the OP, if you want a 1000cc super sport to squid around on the open road or drag race, any time is fine.
If it is to be used as a track bike, I'd say that when you feel like your 600cc track bike could use more ooomph, then a 7-fiddy or a liter bike may be the answer.
I know I've been riding for about 20 years, and I still don't know if I would have the self control to not do something really stupid on a liter-sized supersport.
10-08-2007, 01:42 PM
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Re: When is the right time to own a 1000cc? (D4RE)
When you think you.re ready.
If you.re seriously questioning your abilities and your maturity then you should not own one. Just because you.re not a future Rossi doesn.t mean you shouldn.t own a 1000cc. Although you could argue that they are not 'necessary' on the streets its all personal preference and everyone is different so just go with it if you think you.re ready to do it.
If you.re seriously questioning your abilities and your maturity then you should not own one. Just because you.re not a future Rossi doesn.t mean you shouldn.t own a 1000cc. Although you could argue that they are not 'necessary' on the streets its all personal preference and everyone is different so just go with it if you think you.re ready to do it.
10-08-2007, 02:08 PM
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Re: When is the right time to own a 1000cc? (b18C1_liLkyLe)
There's not set definitely time when you're ready. If you're ready, you're ready.
Not that this is your case but just because you can ride from home 15 miles on surface streets to somewhere doesn't mean you know how to fully handle your bike. I've know people that bought a 600, could get around town w/o dropping their bike and they think they're ready to upgrade to a liter bike.
Not that this is your case but just because you can ride from home 15 miles on surface streets to somewhere doesn't mean you know how to fully handle your bike. I've know people that bought a 600, could get around town w/o dropping their bike and they think they're ready to upgrade to a liter bike.
10-08-2007, 02:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sup gurl »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Never.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Very dissapointing coming from you
such a narrowminded statement
Very dissapointing coming from you
such a narrowminded statement
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10-08-2007, 02:41 PM
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The time for you to upgrade will really depend on you. Some people shouldn't even be on a motorcycle to begin with and some are just more responsible than others. I learned to ride on a liter bike and the first bike I purchased was a liter bike.
If I would've purchased my first bike when I was 16-18 I probably would've been dead today, but that was because of the way I was when I was younger. Every fixed up car or motorcycle I'd seen on street I felt like I had to race them. Now that I'm older I don't feel like I need to prove that I'm faster than the person next to me anymore. Don't get me wrong, I still have the urge to spread my legs every once in a while, but I know that there is a time and a place for things like that. I've lost too many friends to motorcycle related accidents, and I personally value my life more than 10 sec rush of adrenaline.
So the really question is are you "MAN / WOMAN" enough to ride a liter bike?
Not to belittle you, but are you personally responsible enough to ride a superbike?
These are the questions that you should ask yourself before you make a step towards any motorcycle.
Good luck with your choice, and the fact that you're still alive and riding today is a + for you.
If I would've purchased my first bike when I was 16-18 I probably would've been dead today, but that was because of the way I was when I was younger. Every fixed up car or motorcycle I'd seen on street I felt like I had to race them. Now that I'm older I don't feel like I need to prove that I'm faster than the person next to me anymore. Don't get me wrong, I still have the urge to spread my legs every once in a while, but I know that there is a time and a place for things like that. I've lost too many friends to motorcycle related accidents, and I personally value my life more than 10 sec rush of adrenaline.
So the really question is are you "MAN / WOMAN" enough to ride a liter bike?
Not to belittle you, but are you personally responsible enough to ride a superbike?
These are the questions that you should ask yourself before you make a step towards any motorcycle.
Good luck with your choice, and the fact that you're still alive and riding today is a + for you.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rol1in0n20s »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When you can take it to the track and actually use it for what it's made to do. Cuz otherwise, what's the point?</TD></TR></TABLE>
wheelies and burnouts, duh!
wheelies and burnouts, duh!
10-08-2007, 02:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rol1in0n20s »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When you can take it to the track and actually use it for what it's made to do. Cuz otherwise, what's the point?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The point is to ride. Whether a person rides a Harley or a crouch rocket, I give them the same respect I do any other rider, and enjoy the fact that we share the same joy for riding.
If crouch rockets are made just for the track then you must believe that they should never be on public streets. Unless a crouch rocket is a track bike, it will most likely spend over 90% of its time on public streets.
What do you call a person that rides their motorcycle on public streets like they do on the race track? Squid, Moron, Road Kill, DEAD
The point is to ride. Whether a person rides a Harley or a crouch rocket, I give them the same respect I do any other rider, and enjoy the fact that we share the same joy for riding.
If crouch rockets are made just for the track then you must believe that they should never be on public streets. Unless a crouch rocket is a track bike, it will most likely spend over 90% of its time on public streets.
What do you call a person that rides their motorcycle on public streets like they do on the race track? Squid, Moron, Road Kill, DEAD
10-08-2007, 03:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98JDM_Type_R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The point is to ride. Whether a person rides a Harley or a crouch rocket, I give them the same respect I do any other rider, and enjoy the fact that we share the same joy for riding.
If crouch rockets are made just for the track then you must believe that they should never be on public streets. Unless a crouch rocket is a track bike, it will most likely spend over 90% of its time on public streets.
What do you call a person that rides their motorcycle on public streets like they do on the race track? Squid, Moron, Road Kill, DEAD</TD></TR></TABLE>
<FONT SIZE="6"> CROTCH </FONT>
The point is to ride. Whether a person rides a Harley or a crouch rocket, I give them the same respect I do any other rider, and enjoy the fact that we share the same joy for riding.
If crouch rockets are made just for the track then you must believe that they should never be on public streets. Unless a crouch rocket is a track bike, it will most likely spend over 90% of its time on public streets.
What do you call a person that rides their motorcycle on public streets like they do on the race track? Squid, Moron, Road Kill, DEAD</TD></TR></TABLE>
<FONT SIZE="6"> CROTCH </FONT>
10-08-2007, 03:29 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98JDM_Type_R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What do you call a person that rides their motorcycle on public streets like they do on the race track? Squid, Moron, Road Kill, DEAD</TD></TR></TABLE>
Jeez, change your effing tampon and relax, you're pretty god damn sensative.
Even though the first 2/3 of your post was entirely irrelevant to what I had said, and a lot of it was just you putting words in my mouth, that last point is valid. Someone who rides their high performance motorcycle on the street, the way it was INTENDED BY THE DESIGNERS AND MANUFACTURERS to be ridden at the track, is indeed an idiot. What I said was, The only real reason to have a 1000 is if you have the time, abililty (transport, tools, etc etc... not referring to riding skill), and obviously the extra cash to take it to the track every once in a while and cut it loose. Because otherwise, what's the point of having a motorcycle capable of almost 200mph flat out and triple digit corner speeds, if you ONLY drive it on the street? That's like having the space shuttle in your garage and only flying it a few states over to visit the in-laws at Christmas (or Chanuka, or Kwanzaa, or Ramadan, or whathaveyou).
Jeez, change your effing tampon and relax, you're pretty god damn sensative.
Even though the first 2/3 of your post was entirely irrelevant to what I had said, and a lot of it was just you putting words in my mouth, that last point is valid. Someone who rides their high performance motorcycle on the street, the way it was INTENDED BY THE DESIGNERS AND MANUFACTURERS to be ridden at the track, is indeed an idiot. What I said was, The only real reason to have a 1000 is if you have the time, abililty (transport, tools, etc etc... not referring to riding skill), and obviously the extra cash to take it to the track every once in a while and cut it loose. Because otherwise, what's the point of having a motorcycle capable of almost 200mph flat out and triple digit corner speeds, if you ONLY drive it on the street? That's like having the space shuttle in your garage and only flying it a few states over to visit the in-laws at Christmas (or Chanuka, or Kwanzaa, or Ramadan, or whathaveyou).
10-08-2007, 03:43 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rol1in0n20s »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Jeez, change your effing tampon and relax, you're pretty god damn sensative.
Even though the first 2/3 of your post was entirely irrelevant to what I had said, and a lot of it was just you putting words in my mouth, that last point is valid. Someone who rides their high performance motorcycle on the street, the way it was INTENDED BY THE DESIGNERS AND MANUFACTURERS to be ridden at the track, is indeed an idiot. What I said was, The only real reason to have a 1000 is if you have the time, abililty (transport, tools, etc etc... not referring to riding skill), and obviously the extra cash to take it to the track every once in a while and cut it loose. Because otherwise, what's the point of having a motorcycle capable of almost 200mph flat out and triple digit corner speeds, if you ONLY drive it on the street? That's like having the space shuttle in your garage and only flying it a few states over to visit the in-laws at Christmas (or Chanuka, or Kwanzaa, or Ramadan, or whathaveyou).</TD></TR></TABLE>
wrong
Crusing at 4000pms instead of 7ks on my 600rr
Being able to pass or accelerate away from ANY car on the street without having to rev over 6k vs 15k on my 600rr.
Again, being able to cruise in 6th gear any time i want. Being able to accelerate without making a shitload lof noise and revving the **** out of my bike. I could proabably count the number of times ive redlined my bike on two hands. Its just not needed on the street. I hit redline almost daily on my 600.
The handling difference is negligible. I went straight from a 600rr to a 929 and I honestly ride much better/harder on the 929. It feels more stable and planted. Yes you have to lean/counter steer a bit more, and it feels a TAD heavier underneath you. But the difference is negligible on the street, atleast to me (somewhat seasoned rider).
The only appreciable difference to me is the torque/stupid fast top end. This is where ONLY the rider can know when he is ready to step it up. You have to be responsible enough to know when/how to use and when not to.
1000=best for street with an experirenced responsbile rider, 600= best for track
my humble .02
The point of a liter bike is NOT to go 200mph, thats not the point of ANY bike.
Jeez, change your effing tampon and relax, you're pretty god damn sensative.
Even though the first 2/3 of your post was entirely irrelevant to what I had said, and a lot of it was just you putting words in my mouth, that last point is valid. Someone who rides their high performance motorcycle on the street, the way it was INTENDED BY THE DESIGNERS AND MANUFACTURERS to be ridden at the track, is indeed an idiot. What I said was, The only real reason to have a 1000 is if you have the time, abililty (transport, tools, etc etc... not referring to riding skill), and obviously the extra cash to take it to the track every once in a while and cut it loose. Because otherwise, what's the point of having a motorcycle capable of almost 200mph flat out and triple digit corner speeds, if you ONLY drive it on the street? That's like having the space shuttle in your garage and only flying it a few states over to visit the in-laws at Christmas (or Chanuka, or Kwanzaa, or Ramadan, or whathaveyou).</TD></TR></TABLE>
wrong
Crusing at 4000pms instead of 7ks on my 600rr
Being able to pass or accelerate away from ANY car on the street without having to rev over 6k vs 15k on my 600rr.
Again, being able to cruise in 6th gear any time i want. Being able to accelerate without making a shitload lof noise and revving the **** out of my bike. I could proabably count the number of times ive redlined my bike on two hands. Its just not needed on the street. I hit redline almost daily on my 600.
The handling difference is negligible. I went straight from a 600rr to a 929 and I honestly ride much better/harder on the 929. It feels more stable and planted. Yes you have to lean/counter steer a bit more, and it feels a TAD heavier underneath you. But the difference is negligible on the street, atleast to me (somewhat seasoned rider).
The only appreciable difference to me is the torque/stupid fast top end. This is where ONLY the rider can know when he is ready to step it up. You have to be responsible enough to know when/how to use and when not to.
1000=best for street with an experirenced responsbile rider, 600= best for track
my humble .02
The point of a liter bike is NOT to go 200mph, thats not the point of ANY bike.
10-08-2007, 03:44 PM
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The "CROTCH" (thanks Magoon 
) rockets that we ride are designed to be street versions of race bikes and were intended to be ridden on public streets.
) rockets that we ride are designed to be street versions of race bikes and were intended to be ridden on public streets.
10-08-2007, 03:47 PM
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Re: (Mag00n)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mag00n »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats not the point of ANY bike. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Then why was this built?
Then why was this built?
10-08-2007, 03:47 PM
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you want the truth?
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but yeh, anytime you feel ready. its your life s0n.
personally i feel a 600 is more than enough if you have the skills to downshift
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but yeh, anytime you feel ready. its your life s0n.
personally i feel a 600 is more than enough if you have the skills to downshift
10-08-2007, 03:58 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98JDM_Type_R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The [motorcycles] that we ride are designed to be street versions of race bikes and were intended to be ridden on public streets.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No ****! You're not getting my point apparently...
If more riders took their bikes to the track, to test their bike and have a little fun while at the same time maybe even advancing their riding, there would be less clowns on the highway wondering "Gee I wonder what this thing can do". I even capitalized it in my second post, if you <U>ONLY</U> ride on the street, assuming you ride responsibly and aren't one of the aforementioned idiots on the highway, are you really getting your moneys worth for the technology and development that the racing world has advanced enough to make it available to consumers?
No ****! You're not getting my point apparently...
If more riders took their bikes to the track, to test their bike and have a little fun while at the same time maybe even advancing their riding, there would be less clowns on the highway wondering "Gee I wonder what this thing can do". I even capitalized it in my second post, if you <U>ONLY</U> ride on the street, assuming you ride responsibly and aren't one of the aforementioned idiots on the highway, are you really getting your moneys worth for the technology and development that the racing world has advanced enough to make it available to consumers?
10-08-2007, 04:07 PM
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Re: (Mag00n)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mag00n »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Very dissapointing coming from you
such a narrowminded statement</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a liter bike so I can power wheelie through every gear, but there's never really a right time to have one...unless you've ridden a 600 for several thousand miles and have had a few track days with it
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mag00n »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
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LOL
Very dissapointing coming from you
such a narrowminded statement</TD></TR></TABLE>
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a liter bike so I can power wheelie through every gear, but there's never really a right time to have one...unless you've ridden a 600 for several thousand miles and have had a few track days with it
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mag00n »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
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LOL
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oh, go fix a fuse or something
jp... how'd everything turn out with your bike?
oh, go fix a fuse or something
jp... how'd everything turn out with your bike?