so what would be the best bike?
05-19-2008, 11:50 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crxma22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
how is racing a car the same as a riding a bike?
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Didn't say the actual physical movements are the same. The reflexes are there, learning to look ahead, all of those are atributes that every rider should have. No where did I say it was like driving a race car in the sense that you are stating that I did.
Im saying with driving a race car you pick up on things that you can use not only for racing but anything. Thats where Im coming from. Until you have raced a car or anything such as that you probably won't quite understand where I'm coming from.
how is racing a car the same as a riding a bike?
</TD></TR></TABLE>Didn't say the actual physical movements are the same. The reflexes are there, learning to look ahead, all of those are atributes that every rider should have. No where did I say it was like driving a race car in the sense that you are stating that I did.
Im saying with driving a race car you pick up on things that you can use not only for racing but anything. Thats where Im coming from. Until you have raced a car or anything such as that you probably won't quite understand where I'm coming from.
05-19-2008, 11:51 AM
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how is racing a car the same as a riding a bike? </TD></TR></TABLE>
he's a redneck, so please don't expect much in the way of wits.
For the OP..start on a 600. just don't make the mistake of buying brand new.
how is racing a car the same as a riding a bike?
</TD></TR></TABLE>he's a redneck, so please don't expect much in the way of wits.
For the OP..start on a 600. just don't make the mistake of buying brand new.
05-19-2008, 11:54 AM
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he's a redneck, so please don't expect much in the way of wits.</TD></TR></TABLE>
WOW, that was amazing. Very stereotypical of you. I don't know of many rednecks that drive honda civics or ride crotch rockets or dress with A&F clothing. You my friend are a complete moron. Do you wake up in the morning and think to your self "hum, i think im going to be a dick again today."?
he's a redneck, so please don't expect much in the way of wits.</TD></TR></TABLE>
WOW, that was amazing. Very stereotypical of you. I don't know of many rednecks that drive honda civics or ride crotch rockets or dress with A&F clothing. You my friend are a complete moron. Do you wake up in the morning and think to your self "hum, i think im going to be a dick again today."?
05-19-2008, 11:56 AM
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Re: (Slidin'Sidewayz)
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WOW, that was amazing. Very stereotypical of you. I don't know of many rednecks that drive honda civics or ride crotch rockets or dress with A&F clothing. You my friend are a complete moron. Do you wake up in the morning and think to your self "hum, i think im going to be a dick again today."?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, Yes, And yes.
WOW, that was amazing. Very stereotypical of you. I don't know of many rednecks that drive honda civics or ride crotch rockets or dress with A&F clothing. You my friend are a complete moron. Do you wake up in the morning and think to your self "hum, i think im going to be a dick again today."?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, Yes, And yes.
05-19-2008, 11:58 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crxma22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how is racing a car the same as a riding a bike?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Visual skills are essentially the same between performance driving and riding and transfers well. The basic mechanics of operating a motorcycle is easily learned whereas the visual skills are not. Knowing how to drive a race of track car will put any one a few steps ahead of the typical driver trying to make the same transition.
Throttle control in a track car is also as important as it is on a bike.
Visual skills are essentially the same between performance driving and riding and transfers well. The basic mechanics of operating a motorcycle is easily learned whereas the visual skills are not. Knowing how to drive a race of track car will put any one a few steps ahead of the typical driver trying to make the same transition.
Throttle control in a track car is also as important as it is on a bike.
05-19-2008, 12:00 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Slidin’Sidewayz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Didn't say the actual physical movements are the same. The reflexes are there, learning to look ahead, all of those are atributes that every rider should have. No where did I say it was like driving a race car in the sense that you are stating that I did.
Im saying with driving a race car you pick up on things that you can use not only for racing but anything. Thats where Im coming from. Until you have raced a car or anything such as that you probably won't quite understand where I'm coming from.</TD></TR></TABLE>
hahaha i give up for the sake of this thread.
you win!!!
Didn't say the actual physical movements are the same. The reflexes are there, learning to look ahead, all of those are atributes that every rider should have. No where did I say it was like driving a race car in the sense that you are stating that I did.
Im saying with driving a race car you pick up on things that you can use not only for racing but anything. Thats where Im coming from. Until you have raced a car or anything such as that you probably won't quite understand where I'm coming from.</TD></TR></TABLE>
hahaha i give up for the sake of this thread.
you win!!!
05-19-2008, 12:00 PM
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Sorry man but who ever said that is likely a squid or an idiot. Anyone with any real grasp of just how powerful and unforgiving a modern 600 is would never say such a thing. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Do you have a real grasp of the power of a modern 600?
Sorry man but who ever said that is likely a squid or an idiot. Anyone with any real grasp of just how powerful and unforgiving a modern 600 is would never say such a thing. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Do you have a real grasp of the power of a modern 600?
05-19-2008, 12:01 PM
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hahaha i give up for the sake of this thread. you win!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ahh..come on now. lol I don't know of how to make it any more clear, I think Jasper cleared it up a little more.
hahaha i give up for the sake of this thread.
you win!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>Ahh..come on now. lol I don't know of how to make it any more clear, I think Jasper cleared it up a little more.
05-19-2008, 12:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Slidin’Sidewayz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Didn't say the actual physical movements are the same. The reflexes are there, learning to look ahead, all of those are atributes that every rider should have. No where did I say it was like driving a race car in the sense that you are stating that I did.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Didn't say the actual physical movements are the same. The reflexes are there, learning to look ahead, all of those are atributes that every rider should have. No where did I say it was like driving a race car in the sense that you are stating that I did.</TD></TR></TABLE>
05-19-2008, 12:03 PM
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Yes, Yes, And yes.
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I don't care what the other /26ers say, I <3 you
OP, a 600 isn't going to be powerful enough for you. You clearly need a R1, but a Busa would be best
Yes, Yes, And yes.
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OP, a 600 isn't going to be powerful enough for you. You clearly need a R1, but a Busa would be best
05-19-2008, 12:11 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jasper_db1 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Visual skills are essentially the same between performance driving and riding and transfers well. The basic mechanics of operating a motorcycle is easily learned whereas the visual skills are not. Knowing how to drive a race of track car will put any one a few steps ahead of the typical driver trying to make the same transition.
Throttle control in a track car is also as important as it is on a bike.</TD></TR></TABLE>
true, visual aspect of it..but he made it seem like cuz he "raced" cars so all of a sudden he's eligible to hop on a rc51 and be good. sounds great! in a perfect world.. sounds like he's just overly confident. bring it down a notch is all i'm saying.get some real time on your bike b4 you compare the two. a week isn't enough...
judging a corner in a car, wayyyyy different on a bike. stopping on a dime in a car vs bike, swerving, making yourself more visible as a biker vs car, etc... i can go on for days how bikes are different than cars.
he just made it seem like riding a bike is that easy! hey i drive race cars, i can ride a bike! imho every machine is different and you should treat it that way, you shouldn't "expect" anything. that's my .02
Visual skills are essentially the same between performance driving and riding and transfers well. The basic mechanics of operating a motorcycle is easily learned whereas the visual skills are not. Knowing how to drive a race of track car will put any one a few steps ahead of the typical driver trying to make the same transition.
Throttle control in a track car is also as important as it is on a bike.</TD></TR></TABLE>
true, visual aspect of it..but he made it seem like cuz he "raced" cars so all of a sudden he's eligible to hop on a rc51 and be good. sounds great! in a perfect world.. sounds like he's just overly confident. bring it down a notch is all i'm saying.get some real time on your bike b4 you compare the two. a week isn't enough...
judging a corner in a car, wayyyyy different on a bike. stopping on a dime in a car vs bike, swerving, making yourself more visible as a biker vs car, etc... i can go on for days how bikes are different than cars.
he just made it seem like riding a bike is that easy! hey i drive race cars, i can ride a bike! imho every machine is different and you should treat it that way, you shouldn't "expect" anything. that's my .02
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okay well thanks for all tha help!!
if i buy a 600 it would prolly be one that has already been down!
so i can get a good deal on the bike and also knowing that if i ever drop it would be my first bike
and i know bad stuff happens on your first bike so i would know to take my time and not act like a stupid squid on it!
if i buy a 600 it would prolly be one that has already been down!
so i can get a good deal on the bike and also knowing that if i ever drop it would be my first bike
and i know bad stuff happens on your first bike so i would know to take my time and not act like a stupid squid on it!
05-19-2008, 12:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crxma22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
true, visual aspect of it..but he made it seem like cuz he "raced" cars so all of a sudden he's eligible to hop on a rc51 and be good. sounds great! in a perfect world.. sounds like he's just overly confident. bring it down a notch is all i'm saying.get some real time on your bike b4 you compare the two. a week isn't enough...
judging a corner in a car, wayyyyy different on a bike. stopping on a dime in a car vs bike, swerving, making yourself more visible as a biker vs car, etc... i can go on for days how bikes are different than cars.
he just made it seem like riding a bike is that easy! hey i drive race cars, i can ride a bike! imho every machine is different and you should treat it that way, you shouldn't "expect" anything. that's my .02 </TD></TR></TABLE>
Your reading too far into what I was saying. Im not saying that because I have drove race cars means that I can hop on to a RC and do just fine. What im saying is that I have qualities or traits instilled into me that does make things come a lot easier then say to someone who has never drove or rode a motorcycle. I mean riding is honestly not that difficult if you use common sense and are physically able to handle it.
true, visual aspect of it..but he made it seem like cuz he "raced" cars so all of a sudden he's eligible to hop on a rc51 and be good. sounds great! in a perfect world.. sounds like he's just overly confident. bring it down a notch is all i'm saying.get some real time on your bike b4 you compare the two. a week isn't enough...
judging a corner in a car, wayyyyy different on a bike. stopping on a dime in a car vs bike, swerving, making yourself more visible as a biker vs car, etc... i can go on for days how bikes are different than cars.
he just made it seem like riding a bike is that easy! hey i drive race cars, i can ride a bike! imho every machine is different and you should treat it that way, you shouldn't "expect" anything. that's my .02 </TD></TR></TABLE>
Your reading too far into what I was saying. Im not saying that because I have drove race cars means that I can hop on to a RC and do just fine. What im saying is that I have qualities or traits instilled into me that does make things come a lot easier then say to someone who has never drove or rode a motorcycle. I mean riding is honestly not that difficult if you use common sense and are physically able to handle it.
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There is nothing wrong with starting on a 600cc as long as you have self control.
All my friends (except one) did perfectly fine on a 600cc.
Obviously a Ninja 250cc will be more forgiving.
Just ride within your limits and add a little luck.
All my friends (except one) did perfectly fine on a 600cc.
Obviously a Ninja 250cc will be more forgiving.
Just ride within your limits and add a little luck.
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anyone can ride a bike, its' when you're in a dilemma is where you will find out just how much skill you have on a bike. gravel, oil, rain, wind, debri. a bunch of variables to riding. like the old saying goes, "don't bite off more than you can chew" just ride careful all i'm saying. constructive criticism
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crxma22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone can ride a bike, its' when you're in a dilemma is where you will find out just how much skill you have on a bike. gravel, oil, rain, wind, debri. a bunch of variables to riding. like the old saying goes, "don't bite off more than you can chew" just ride careful all i'm saying. constructive criticism </TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree with you there! I understand where you're coming from def. Gravel is a everyday challenge for me cause I live on a gravel road. At first it was difficult but now im ok on that but I usually try and scan the roads best I can for gravel and don't go down many streets I don't know and unfimilar with like where gravel and other problems may exsist. Thanks!
</TD></TR></TABLE>I agree with you there! I understand where you're coming from def. Gravel is a everyday challenge for me cause I live on a gravel road. At first it was difficult but now im ok on that but I usually try and scan the roads best I can for gravel and don't go down many streets I don't know and unfimilar with like where gravel and other problems may exsist. Thanks!
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Honestly we just need a sticky at the of this forum that says "Don't bother asking what to start on, get what you want". Every noob in the world comes in asking what should they start on and when presented with the idea of God forbid starting on a 250 they laugh and try to give a million and one reasons as to why they want a 600. Screw it, get what you want. I'm honestly tired (as well as others im sure) of wasting their breath trying to save YOUR a$$. Everybody today thinks they know everything so why even start a damn thread about something that you apparently know better than everybody else.
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OP, a 600 isn't going to be powerful enough for you. You clearly need a R1, but a Busa would be best </TD></TR></TABLE>
don't forget the turbo and stretched swingarm!
OP, a 600 isn't going to be powerful enough for you. You clearly need a R1, but a Busa would be best
</TD></TR></TABLE>don't forget the turbo and stretched swingarm!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TypeR864 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honestly we just need a sticky at the of this forum that says "Don't bother asking what to start on, get what you want". Every noob in the world comes in asking what should they start on and when presented with the idea of God forbid starting on a 250 they laugh and try to give a million and one reasons as to why they want a 600. Screw it, get what you want. I'm honestly tired (as well as others im sure) of wasting their breath trying to save YOUR a$$. Everybody today thinks they know everything so why even start a damn thread about something that you apparently know better than everybody else.</TD></TR></TABLE>
nicely put.
nicely put.
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well its not so much that thats what i want i was more just asking about what type of bike would pretty much be best for me thats all im saying!!
just trying to get a lil more info on each bike!!
my question was never if i want a 250,500, or 600
i just wanted to know a lil more about each bike on a 600cc level!!
so back to topic!!!
just trying to get a lil more info on each bike!!
my question was never if i want a 250,500, or 600
i just wanted to know a lil more about each bike on a 600cc level!!
so back to topic!!!
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It's ok if you get a 600 man!! and If i was you i would be interested on either CBR600rr or the Ninja ZX6r
It's ok if you get a 600 man!! and If i was you i would be interested on either CBR600rr or the Ninja ZX6r
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kevin C. »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well its not so much that thats what i want i was more just asking about what type of bike would pretty much be best for me thats all im saying!!
just trying to get a lil more info on each bike!!
i just wanted to know a lil more about each bike on a 600cc level!!
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No modern 600cc is better than another. The big 4 are all very close. You seem very set on getting a 600, so I suggest picking the one that you like the best. Looks, colors, brand, ect. Go to some dealers and sit on a few. Once you find a few bikes you like, come back and some people here can shine some light on your choices. Right now your question of "which 600cc bike is the best" is very broad, so narrow your search down and you'll get better responses.
just trying to get a lil more info on each bike!!
i just wanted to know a lil more about each bike on a 600cc level!!
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No modern 600cc is better than another. The big 4 are all very close. You seem very set on getting a 600, so I suggest picking the one that you like the best. Looks, colors, brand, ect. Go to some dealers and sit on a few. Once you find a few bikes you like, come back and some people here can shine some light on your choices. Right now your question of "which 600cc bike is the best" is very broad, so narrow your search down and you'll get better responses.
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I didn't bother quoting anything, but I've liked everything slidin'sidewayz has had to say so far. It sounds like you have a pretty level head on your shoulders, and I agree with you that you've got some skills you picked up from car racing that you can definitely translate over to motorcycle riding.
And I have to say that i'm beginning to agree with typer864. On every forum i'm on, or have been on, when someone asks about what bike to get for a first bike everyone jumps in and says ninja 250 or something equally small, which is fine, and I definitely say it. But it's almost one of those "do as i say, not as i do" double standards as I started on an F4i.
At this point, from what i've seen, it's usually pretty hard to "know" someone from one post on the interwebnet. It's too hard to tell how they'll act when presented with a piece of machinery capable of propelling them from 0-60 in little over 3 seconds.
I feel that my main reason for suggesting smaller less powerful bikes now is because of the cost. As saddened as I am when I see some n00b that's gone and wrecked their bike in some way and got themselves hurt, I almost wonder if they wouldn't have just managed to do it on whatever they were riding. Then I see the poor guys that finance a new bike because they wanted the latest and greatest and shortly realized that they didn't want to ride anymore, or wreck the bike, and are now stuck with huge financial problems.
I guess more than anything else we're just trying to urge caution when getting in to bikes. We all remember how ridiculously exciting it was to get a bike and the excitement can cloud judgement, and we just don't want to see people get hurt, or raped (financially).
And I have to say that i'm beginning to agree with typer864. On every forum i'm on, or have been on, when someone asks about what bike to get for a first bike everyone jumps in and says ninja 250 or something equally small, which is fine, and I definitely say it. But it's almost one of those "do as i say, not as i do" double standards as I started on an F4i.
At this point, from what i've seen, it's usually pretty hard to "know" someone from one post on the interwebnet. It's too hard to tell how they'll act when presented with a piece of machinery capable of propelling them from 0-60 in little over 3 seconds.
I feel that my main reason for suggesting smaller less powerful bikes now is because of the cost. As saddened as I am when I see some n00b that's gone and wrecked their bike in some way and got themselves hurt, I almost wonder if they wouldn't have just managed to do it on whatever they were riding. Then I see the poor guys that finance a new bike because they wanted the latest and greatest and shortly realized that they didn't want to ride anymore, or wreck the bike, and are now stuck with huge financial problems.
I guess more than anything else we're just trying to urge caution when getting in to bikes. We all remember how ridiculously exciting it was to get a bike and the excitement can cloud judgement, and we just don't want to see people get hurt, or raped (financially).
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sig material!
I don't care what the other /26ers say, I <3 you
OP, a 600 isn't going to be powerful enough for you. You clearly need a R1, but a Busa would be best
</TD></TR></TABLE>sig material!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fatboy01 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Do you have a real grasp of the power of a modern 600?</TD></TR></TABLE>
nope not even close
Do you have a real grasp of the power of a modern 600?</TD></TR></TABLE>
nope not even close