1GPlusSH

after first reading this, i thought to myself, "self, that is freakin crazy." but i bet it helps keep more responsible riders on the road. that's a lot of money to invest just to ride.

how about motox? is there licensing for that?

Flashmn

Well riding is riding right? I was just saying that slow speed skills are essential, when this stunter guy came in saying no no nobody rides under 20mph. Then it just went offtopic into what we do over here, since there was also MSF mentioned, I dont see any problem there.

1GPlusSH, Well if the motorcross bikes are street legal, then they go with the same licensing as normal bikes, but track only bikes can be ridden without a license, as long as you stay on the track and dont go to the streets.

Starscream

I just went and payed up a guy to get my license...no way I was going to spend the whole day in the DMV if I could be out in less than 15 min.

Of course, I had been riding for 1.5 years before finally getting my license. Self taught, because we don't have MSF nor any similar courses around these parts

theedeadmau5

haha this sounds like me, i didnt get my license til i was 20, i believe self teaching is the best way to learn because you get to find out yourself whether you're supposed to be on a bike or should just stay rockin 4 wheels, that way you dont waste anyones time but your own.

1GPlusSH

that may be the best way for you two, but come on, we don't need new bike riders getting killed everyday. MSF is the best option

theedeadmau5

the point of what i was trying to say was that there are people out there that dont need to be on a bike, meaning they're just not cut out for it, regardless of how many safety courses they take.

Kiwibird83

Massive...stupidity of post......hurting......brain......can't.....form.. ....logical.....response......

I guess this falls right in line with your expert, physics defying advice of "Counter-steering is for newbs, body steer all the way" Keep up the good advice ace, you're a real card.

theedeadmau5

dont worry bro ill be living in phoenix soon that way you can show me what a real motorcycle rider is supposed to do WRONG

you...act...like...riding...a motorcycle is rocket science. just get on the ****in bike and ride. im so sick of everyone putting so much effort into explaining riding technique, and what you need to do before you get out and ride, and what courses to take, and basically telling someone else what they should be doing blah blah blahhhhh. when all the while a newbie might not know how simple riding a motorcycle actually is because his (or her) mind is filled with this type of bullshit.

IF THE CONCEPT OF RIDING A MOTORCYCLE PERPLEXES YOU TO THE POINT WHERE YOU NEED TO TAKE A LAME SAFETY COURSE THEN IN MY OPINION YOU SHOULDN'T BE ON A MOTORCYCLE.

the concept of counter-steering is so simple im sure my 8 year old nephew could get it. i agree, it can be useful sometimes, like trying to avoid something in the road at the last second. and if you use it in everyday riding then good for you, i just dont do it...im sorry but i dont, and its not like i do it and dont realize it....i just dont do it.

1GPlusSH

the MSF course is designed to lay a simple fundamental platform for a rider. fundamentals are key and not just for riding. any sport requires fundamentals. Sure, there are individuals out there that have natural talent in a given sport(or riding) and excel without having those basic fundamentals, but for 99.9% of the population, having a good base to start on is going to get you much further...and keep you safer if you're riding. there's no logical way to argue that.

and you may or may not have the counter-steering thing mixed up like i did. counter-steering isn't when you aggressively avoid an obstacle where you are straight up over the bike and slinging the handlebars side to side like we used to do on bicycles as a kid.

Twist of the Wrist 2 was sent to me by someone on here. I would say who it was and offer my thanks again, but I'd hate for him to get in trouble. I highly recommend you watch that video. It explains the concepts, skills, and knowledge you need when riding. 20 years from now when I consider myself an expert, I will probably go back and watch that video.

You are probably a very good rider, but everybody can always improve.

Kiwibird83

Hard to teach the man who knows everything something new, so why bother?


Just put the car in gear and go right? Great idea, let's start tossing out keys to 15 year old drivers and just let em loose, I bet that will work wonders on accident and mortality rates. I mean, if you're the least bit intimidated at the age of 15 by the thought of controlling a 300HP, 3500lb vehicle that you've never sat in before then obviously you're not fit to drive right? Good call old chap, good call.


I too am sick of people explaining basic riding techniques and road safety in an easy to understand and emulate form and detail to new riders who are completely foreign to riding a vehicle with 2 wheels. It's so ****ing pointless. Good call chief.

Trying to teach new riders advanced riding techniques, or worse, giving horrible advice is a problem. New riders don't need to know how to rev match, proper lines for taking corners at 100MPH, or proper body position for leaning off the bike. Things like that fill a new riders head with to much information when they should be focusing on the basics and getting comfortable just being on the bike. I mean YOU would never tell someone something as idiotic as "Well I body steer my bike into the corners" would you?

Ahh yes, because all people everywhere who ride motorcycles immediately had the inherent instincts needed to ride a motorcycle like a champ the first time they saddled up to one. The concept of the safety course is just that, SAFETY. Plenty of people can and do just hop on a bike their first time and manage to not fall flat on their face, but 9.9 times out of 10 they won't be doing it with any resemblance of safety or proper technique. Ever wonder why Multi-Million dollar insurance companies cut their riders a fairly sizable discount on their motorcycle insurance when they manage to pass a MSF class? Hint: It may possibly have to do with all those statistics that show that trained new riders are far less likely to suffer accidents, injury, or fatalities then riders who aren't. But hey, MSF courses are totally lame, no need to let facts get in the way of an opinion right?


If he rides a bike he sure does, know why? Say it with me now....."Because it's basic physics!" yaaaaaay! Now wasn't that fun?


Protip: You use it all the time, you know why? Say it with me now..."Because it's the basic physics needed to lean a motorcycle over when traveling at speed!" starting to sink in yet? Yah, I doubt it too, better to be bull headed and wrong that learn something and admit you made a misstatement right?

Read from the experts and hopefully learn something.

http://www.superbikeschool.com/machi...bs-machine.php

theedeadmau5

Your patronizing attitude got really amusing halfway down the post....


i totally said i knew everything. ill be learning til the day i die about riding motorcycles, and obviously i need to apologize for you because you cant handle someone elses opinion that differs from your own. ill hit you up when i get there so i can see a master counter-steer...er guy in action.





ok old chap at this point you're taking things out of context, this is a terrible analogy btw because driving a car is way easier than riding a motorcycle. granted the concept of a manual may confuse some beginning drivers...if they cant get it in a week or two, go with the automatic. thats only common sense, and if driving a automatic is too much for you, then obviously you shouldnt drive. i mean its pretty simple to me old chap. THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT CANT DRIVE FOR ****, ITS NOT UNHEARD OF OLD CHAP.





chief....explaining counter-steering to a new rider isnt exactly something you should go over in the first week or two. although its simple, a new rider has much more important **** (basic ****) to think about in his or her first week or two chief. counter-steering is by no means basic chief.




here it just sounds like you're trying to turn my argument around on me. exactly what was OH SO HORRIBLE about my advice? i do body steer my bikes into corners, so what? and ill offer that advice because it works for me, may not work for someone else obviously because its totally idiotic...right?




no, not all people have those "inherent instincts", i just think the msf course thing is funny




the two of you would get along great





you're really trying to tell me how i ride? i dont counter-steer... ever, GET THE **** OVER IT. i honestly dont care if someone else counter-steers or not, but you are so interested in my riding technique its kinda sad. if someone doesnt like the advice i give they dont have to take it.

now lets see another clever response

Blindstuff

Keith Code is WRONG, he has NOT trained a bunch of champions in various categories.

Yes you do, even if you dont realize it, physics 101 should be enough to understang why everybody countersteers, voluntarily or not.

life sux die

serious thread is serious.

oh and everyone counter-steers. everyone!

0Steve@Spreen

^ Without a doubt...I'd like to see you do 40mph and turn the bars right to go right...you'll be picking your self off the pavement, realizing the concept of "highsiding" a bike.

theedeadmau5

i dont find myself ever.....ever turning the bars left to go right, im sorry but i just dont. i really cant grasp the reasoning why everyone is so adamant about convincing me otherwise.

theedeadmau5

ive highsided before and its not caused by a counter....counter-steer? anyways, highsides happen when you lock the rear brake, your bike starts to slide, and you release the rear brake causing traction while your **** up is taking place.

ragnaroek

i didn't take the msf course. i didn't get a license till i had been riding for almost 3 years... hell i was doing track days with no license.

i've also crashed a lot. i suck at low-speed riding on heavy bikes. msf teaches primarily low-speed riding techniques. i probably should have taken the course, but i'm not going to take it now as it is too focused on beginning riders. i've thought about taking one of the advanced courses, but what happened last year was that the day of the course was really nice so i went out riding instead.

i do counter-steer. i'd like to point out that counter-steering is a transient thing, one counter-steers to initiate a turn and will then use their body weight to maintain a radius and/or actually steer in to a corner to maintain the radius. also, when one shifts their weight around on the bike they are actually initiating a counter steer. there is some video on youtube that illustrates this.

0Steve@Spreen

Your the boss, keep doing what your doing, and ride safe.

eg2jr

iTrader: (7)

I owe this man(or women) dinner . They gave me the best price possible and its 4x cheaper then other companies....Also going to CHP to see what I need to do to get started on that MSF course(hopefully once that's done the insurance will lower some more)

Also does anybody know any good websites to buy parts for the bikes?

life sux die

i used to think the same about my riding for about the first year, then i got into recording everything on the bike. one day i decided to mount the camera on the tank with a really wide-angle... guess what i saw? counter-steering and i didn't even know i was doing it. from that point on i worked on it, it made me realize i didn't have to muscle the bike around like i was doing so previously. now i way more relaxed and focused and go on 40min stints with ease. just my .02

Blindstuff

lsd speaks the truth

ShaunRR

So much in this thread.

bad-monkey

that's because your squid *** has never had to turn that fast.

you can "body steer" on the street, but get into a technical bit of racetrack without using the bars and say hello to the dirt/grass/whatever is laying just off the candy stripes.

and even when you "body steer" if you were to look at the handlebar angle, you'd see that they are turning as they would if you were countersteering. you're simply using weight transfer to change lean angle instead of your arms. fact remains, you're still countersteering.

as far as "teaching yourself" it's an illusion. chances are you'll teach yourself bad habits and **** body position, riding around more crossed up than a transvestite playing twister. also, techniques for the street vs. techniques for the track are 2 totally different monsters.

theedeadmau5

lol this guy

Flashmn

You're right, it shouldnt be gone over in the first week, it should be gone over in the first day.