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Old 06-10-2007, 06:15 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

A guy I know just did the same thing you are... same attitude (probably same words verbatim), same bike... no MSF, minimal gear. Just hopped on and went... dumped it twice within a few weeks, the 2nd time breaking his collarbone.

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Okay, so how did you learn to ride? Did you take classes or something. You're being hypocritical, being that a lot of guys just get on and ride.
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Okay, so how did you learn to ride? Did you take classes or something. You're being hypocritical, being that a lot of guys just get on and ride.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How am I being a hypcrite?

I took the MSF, I bought gear, and I bought a nearly 20 year old bike (Yamaha FZ600... it had maybe 45 hp). I put some miles on it, learned how to ride and then moved up to something with a little more power.
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You'll be fine. Just take the MSF course and take it easy. If you can't take it easy, it'll catch up to you and you'll have to deal (as well as contribute to unnecessarily high insurance rates for everyone).

Only thing that really caught my eye is that nothing looks straight in the first picture - perhaps its the photo?? Personally, I wouldn't have paid $3K for a bike that has a salvage title/looks beat to ****, instead I bought a Buell as a first bike
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

How am I being a hypcrite?

I took the MSF, I bought gear, and I bought a nearly 20 year old bike (Yamaha FZ600... it had maybe 45 hp). I put some miles on it, learned how to ride and then moved up to something with a little more power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Okay, I see now. I didn't know WTF MSF was, I just assumed it was some term that pertained to the bike itself. I'm planning to take a course at the community college. Its like two weeks and then you save 20% of of your insurance. As far as gear, I'm looking into a good helmet and a spine protector. My friend has advised to just go with him to a vacant parking lot and ride around cones and **** to get comfortable. IDK, I think the course is the best way to go.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

A guy I know just did the same thing you are... same attitude (probably same words verbatim), same bike... no MSF, minimal gear. Just hopped on and went... dumped it twice within a few weeks, the 2nd time breaking his collarbone.

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Sounds like the guy was quite a tool. I understand your concern (if it is genuine concern, maybe you just like to tell people what to do ) with people getting new 100+hp sportbikes for their first bike, because there are quite a few people out there that dont have the self-control or respect for the bike to resist pushing its limits after only riding for a few weeks.... However not every "newbie" falls into this caterogy.
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?? What does that have to do with this RJ? Those were two knuckle heads with (apparently) too much money and ego and not enough brains.
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dood just be safe, hopefully you will know your limit, and realize the power of the bike. if not, you will crash, post pics or a review of waht happened and get ridiculed.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pauldo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">?? What does that have to do with this RJ? Those were two knuckle heads with (apparently) too much money and ego and not enough brains.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It has everything to do with it. Put a new rider on a modern supersport thing, and 8 times out of 10 the **** hits the fan in some way.

Maybe the OP is fine and turns out to be a great rider - who knows - there are exceptions to every rule, but dont assume you are one of them. There is certainly a pattern of someone who buys an almost new supersport thing as their first bike because it was crashed/got a good deal/etc and they dump it, trashing the bike or themselves. The guy the OP bought the bike from probably fits into that category, but I dont know the whole story, so its just an ***-u-mption.

If I didnt care, I wouldnt post. Maybe it sounds harsh, but I've ridden an RR and owned an RC51 and I know how fast they are - the RC would light the tire up in 3rd gear coming off a turn on a cool day.
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Chances are you'll crash the 600rr, but if you take it easy enough, you might not. The fact is, though, that you'll learn slower on the 600rr than you would on a beginner bike. This bike doesn't give much of a safety margin and will bite when you do something wrong. yeah, you can learn on it, just not very fast. [/B]
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It has everything to do with it. Put a new rider on a modern supersport thing, and 8 times out of 10 the **** hits the fan in some way.

Maybe the OP is fine and turns out to be a great rider - who knows - there are exceptions to every rule, but dont assume you are one of them. There is certainly a pattern of someone who buys an almost new supersport thing as their first bike because it was crashed/got a good deal/etc and they dump it, trashing the bike or themselves. The guy the OP bought the bike from probably fits into that category, but I dont know the whole story, so its just an ***-u-mption.

If I didnt care, I wouldnt post. Maybe it sounds harsh, but I've ridden an RR and owned an RC51 and I know how fast they are - the RC would light the tire up in 3rd gear coming off a turn on a cool day.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Old 06-11-2007, 09:26 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by serious &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This bike doesn't give much of a safety margin and will bite when you do something wrong. yeah, you can learn on it, just not very fast. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Its very easy to get in very big trouble, very quickly on a new 600.

However, I do agree with you, it seems like a decent deal, so long as ou dont expect too much for a resale value.
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I really see that you guys are sincerely concerned with a newbie hopping onto a new 600cc street bike. I can assure you I am not a daredevil, and I take everything in life seriously when it involves riding a machine that is no match for an automobile, wall, or other bike. I will get the proper education and hope to someday be known as a safe but fun person to ride with.

One of my friends told me this saying that most of you probably have heard. He said, "There's two kinds of bikers: Those who have wrecked, and those who will." I know about five who have never even dumped their bikes, but they ride for the pleasure of riding and not to impress 19 year old girls in a parking lot. I'm not that kind of guy, but I appreciate the concern.
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Respect the power and have fun riding man! Very nice RR, great bike even for the advanced.
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I would fix it up and sell it.


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Ya two guys on R1's canyon riding is the same as buying a 600rr as a first bike.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SlowB16si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ya two guys on R1's canyon riding is the same as buying a 600rr as a first bike. </TD></TR></TABLE>

How is it different?

New rider buys new bike... friends say "hey we're heading up to the canyons, come along it'll be fun" so the new rider goes... and well you know the rest. Its very easy to get in over your head. I know, because I've been there - I've been lucky not to crash because of it though. Most new riders dont realize that being uncomfortable out on a ride is the closest thing you'll get to someone tapping you on the shoulder and saying "hey... keep it up and you're going to bin it".

I only sound harsh because riding a bike is something not to be taken lightly. There's no steel cage around you and lots of ugly things to hit out on the streets - cars, SUV's, ditches, cliffs, stone fences, and so on. You have to remember that every time you thumb the starter button you might be coming home in an ambulance, with your bike following you in several boxes. Sound fucked up? Its the reality of it.

For the OP - take the MSF, and if you have the means pick up a ninja 250 for a few months, get your feet wet and then sell it for what you paid for it in 2-3 months. If not, be safe and good luck My first rides were on my roomate's ninja 250 Fun little bike.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
For the OP - take the MSF, and if you have the means pick up a ninja 250 for a few months, get your feet wet and then sell it for what you paid for it in 2-3 months. If not, be safe and good luck My first rides were on my roomate's ninja 250 Fun little bike.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You stated a few posts that you started on a FZ 600, not considered a beginers bike then and certainly blows away any 250. I can't say I really care on way or another, but why is it that everyone who recomends a 250 started on a 600? He can dump a 250 just as easily. I have a feeling this is gonna be a summer toy that sees plenty of straight line trips to the rev limiter. If he's smart he'll spend his money on msf and gear, not a 250 ninja.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can't say I really care on way or another, but why is it that everyone who recomends a 250 started on a 600? He can dump a 250 just as easily. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Because I didnt know any better, really. "OOH SHINY NEW THING!!!"

My FZ was also an '87, and it made less than 50hp, pretty light and easy to handle. It was cheap, I learned alot, I went down twice, and sold it for what I paid for it.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You stated a few posts that you started on a FZ 600, not considered a beginers bike then and certainly blows away any 250. I can't say I really care on way or another, but why is it that everyone who recomends a 250 started on a 600? He can dump a 250 just as easily. I have a feeling this is gonna be a summer toy that sees plenty of straight line trips to the rev limiter. If he's smart he'll spend his money on msf and gear, not a 250 ninja.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Don't tell me you're seriously comparing the FZ to a 600RR?

Sportbikes were hardly barely invented by 1987, much less the track focused, potent machines they are now.

And that bike wasn't even near the top of it's game... I rode it home for him when he bought it.
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I rode it home for him when he bought it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

And the shifter rod fell out

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe the OP is fine and turns out to be a great rider - who knows - there are exceptions to every rule, but dont assume you are one of them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I learned on a modern 600cc race replica and didn't take MSF, but I also knew what I was getting into and never had to post on the internet asking for advice. I had full gear from day one (full gear means a 1pc/boots/gloves/lid/backprot, NOT just jacket+gloves ) and read both twist of the wrist books. Now even though I had good luck with the route I took w/ my first bike, I still don't recommend it to anybody because I have seen first hand numerous times what inexperience, lack of knowledge, and competition instinct can do to newbies on sportbikes. RJ already linked my thread, that is only 1 example. So yea it is hypocritical for me to tell you to take the MSF and to start on a slow old POS... but I'll still preach it to you and anyone else because statisticly speaking the odds are against you.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ASteele2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Don't tell me you're seriously comparing the FZ to a 600RR?

Sportbikes were hardly barely invented by 1987, much less the track focused, potent machines they are now.

And that bike wasn't even near the top of it's game... I rode it home for him when he bought it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think too many people would have recomended starting out on it back in '87s. The old "start on 250" is the abstinence argument, solid advice, but nobodies practicing. MSF and gear are the birth control, everybody knows what the most effective thing to teach is.
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I think its a good buy, i started out on a YZF600r as my first bike and it was a great bike, my best friend started out on 2005 ZX6R as his first bike and i know prolly about 5 or 6 other people that started on GSXR 600. So dont let anyone give you **** about starting out on RR as your first bike. You got a hell of a deal on it. Congrats on the purchase!!! Ride safe
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZexyAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think its a good buy, i started out on a YZF600r as my first bike and it was a great bike, my best friend started out on 2005 ZX6R as his first bike and i know prolly about 5 or 6 other people that started on GSXR 600. So dont let anyone give you **** about starting out on RR as your first bike. You got a hell of a deal on it. Congrats on the purchase!!! Ride safe </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks man. I dropped it off at my friends garage yesterday. Walked out with the bike for $3400. I hope all goes well from here on out.
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What do you guys think of these auctions? Are they good products or do I need to look elsewhere?

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