The importance of selecting the proper gear and using it at all times.
03-25-2005, 02:23 PM
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The importance of selecting the proper gear and using it at all times.
There has been several posts on here about riding gear and not wanting to look like a power ranger and all that. I agree you cant go out clubbing in your motorcycle gear without looking 'special'. However choosing to ride with less than suitable gear is definatly not the way to go. What about helmet hair, should you just ride without a helmet so you dont mess up your hair?
There have been many posts about wearing leather boots ie doc martins, skeechers, timberlands , or even sneakers.... I have advised against it strongly as I have first hand experience with crashing these type of boots.
Timberland Goretex boots. As you can see they are triple stictched in many areas but the leather obviously is not as durable as the grade used in most good motorcycle gear as they are not designed for crashing.
If you look at the top of the boot where the back of your calf/ankle would go, you can see some of the black dried on blood. Trust me it was a mess.
Also here are pics of my joe rocket leather jacket. As you can see on the sleeves in the wrist area the double stitches ripped causing slight roadrash on my forearms near the wrist. I also had a little rug burn on my arms, hands and shoulders.
This is my opinion and take it for what it's worth, but worry about the level of protection the gear provides first before you worry about how you will look in it if you take your bike to a party. If your appearance is too important, then take your car to the party. Less likelyhood of some drunk moron knocking it over, or of 'you the rider' drinking and then getting on the bike.
Either way good luck finding the right gear.
Steven
There have been many posts about wearing leather boots ie doc martins, skeechers, timberlands , or even sneakers.... I have advised against it strongly as I have first hand experience with crashing these type of boots.
Timberland Goretex boots. As you can see they are triple stictched in many areas but the leather obviously is not as durable as the grade used in most good motorcycle gear as they are not designed for crashing.
If you look at the top of the boot where the back of your calf/ankle would go, you can see some of the black dried on blood. Trust me it was a mess.
Also here are pics of my joe rocket leather jacket. As you can see on the sleeves in the wrist area the double stitches ripped causing slight roadrash on my forearms near the wrist. I also had a little rug burn on my arms, hands and shoulders.
This is my opinion and take it for what it's worth, but worry about the level of protection the gear provides first before you worry about how you will look in it if you take your bike to a party. If your appearance is too important, then take your car to the party. Less likelyhood of some drunk moron knocking it over, or of 'you the rider' drinking and then getting on the bike.
Either way good luck finding the right gear.
Steven
03-25-2005, 05:12 PM
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thanks for the headsup steven, i hope your ok. i think sometimes all of us get wrapped up in how we look, lets not forget gear is there to protect us, i sometimes do. heres to a speedy recovery...
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Re: (Ross R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ross R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you don't mind, what were the circumstances of your wreck? Speed, fault, conditions, etc?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry if this is totally off base Ross but it sounds like think you can avoid any wreck as long as you are careful enough. We all know how that story ends.
Sorry if this is totally off base Ross but it sounds like think you can avoid any wreck as long as you are careful enough. We all know how that story ends.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RebornGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry if this is totally off base Ross but it sounds like think you can avoid any wreck as long as you are careful enough. We all know how that story ends.</TD></TR></TABLE>
A little off-base.
I don't think one can avoid a wreck simply through the Godly skills we all just know we have hidden away somewhere, but being careful goes a long way.
Mainly, I want to know what kind of speeds will do that to a body and the gear wrapped around it. If cbrman was doing 20 and this happened, that's really scary. But if he was doing 60 or 70, it's a case of "well....duh." Ditto if he was doing endos and smashed into a garbage truck.
A little off-base.
I don't think one can avoid a wreck simply through the Godly skills we all just know we have hidden away somewhere, but being careful goes a long way.
Mainly, I want to know what kind of speeds will do that to a body and the gear wrapped around it. If cbrman was doing 20 and this happened, that's really scary. But if he was doing 60 or 70, it's a case of "well....duh." Ditto if he was doing endos and smashed into a garbage truck.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RebornGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry if this is totally off base Ross but it sounds like think you can avoid any wreck as long as you are careful enough. We all know how that story ends.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I may have missed another thread or two indicating this theology. On the other hand, though, I'd be interested to learn, at least, the speed at which our hero went skidding along the tarmac at. If he highsided and came down with a terrific thwack, that would also be good to know.
The way I see it is that if I'm going to my local hangout, the Kwik-E-Mart, classes, or what not (somewhere close) I shouldn't be seeing speeds over 45mph. The kind of acrobatics you're likely to do at sub-highway speeds are pretty different than those you might do if you binned it cruising near the three digit mark. Thus the kinds of exemptions you can take with your gear is somewhat influenced. If I'm headed out to get my fast food fill, or get some groceries or what have you I'm a heck of a lot less likely to put on my riding jacket (the one with CE Armor EVERYWHERE) instead of my posing jacket (granted, my posing jacket is a Vanson Mark 2 CRSX, but doesn't have the CE) and my Vertigo boots, and leather pants. Sure, there's always the chance of a freak incident that might see me embedded in somebody's front bumper or going headfirst into a ditch, but that's a chance I'm willing to take going local.
If you fully kit up every time you go out I'd bet that you're going to burn out on this hobby pretty quickly. You'll get annoyed at the way your elbow armor pokes out and begin to get frustrated by the supa-high calfs of your favorite riding boots. Do I even need to talk about leg-leathers? When I'm out there on a run-of-the-mill daily basis you're likely to see me "about half" geared up. My comfy jacket, my helmet, gloves, jeans, and some kind of footwear that isn't made by Nike. If I'm going to push myself as a rider, up the ante as it were, you'll see me in every bit of protective shnozz I own.
I want to enjoy this for a long time, so I'll stay comfortable while doing routine things. You can't stop every kind of incident, and you can prepare for them, but if you're taking twenty minutes just to suit up every time you go out chances are you're going to tire quickly of street riding. So stay safe, comfortable (you're more aware when you're comfy, anyways), and smart.
I may have missed another thread or two indicating this theology. On the other hand, though, I'd be interested to learn, at least, the speed at which our hero went skidding along the tarmac at. If he highsided and came down with a terrific thwack, that would also be good to know.
The way I see it is that if I'm going to my local hangout, the Kwik-E-Mart, classes, or what not (somewhere close) I shouldn't be seeing speeds over 45mph. The kind of acrobatics you're likely to do at sub-highway speeds are pretty different than those you might do if you binned it cruising near the three digit mark. Thus the kinds of exemptions you can take with your gear is somewhat influenced. If I'm headed out to get my fast food fill, or get some groceries or what have you I'm a heck of a lot less likely to put on my riding jacket (the one with CE Armor EVERYWHERE) instead of my posing jacket (granted, my posing jacket is a Vanson Mark 2 CRSX, but doesn't have the CE) and my Vertigo boots, and leather pants. Sure, there's always the chance of a freak incident that might see me embedded in somebody's front bumper or going headfirst into a ditch, but that's a chance I'm willing to take going local.
If you fully kit up every time you go out I'd bet that you're going to burn out on this hobby pretty quickly. You'll get annoyed at the way your elbow armor pokes out and begin to get frustrated by the supa-high calfs of your favorite riding boots. Do I even need to talk about leg-leathers? When I'm out there on a run-of-the-mill daily basis you're likely to see me "about half" geared up. My comfy jacket, my helmet, gloves, jeans, and some kind of footwear that isn't made by Nike. If I'm going to push myself as a rider, up the ante as it were, you'll see me in every bit of protective shnozz I own.
I want to enjoy this for a long time, so I'll stay comfortable while doing routine things. You can't stop every kind of incident, and you can prepare for them, but if you're taking twenty minutes just to suit up every time you go out chances are you're going to tire quickly of street riding. So stay safe, comfortable (you're more aware when you're comfy, anyways), and smart.
03-25-2005, 06:48 PM
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I couldn't agree more with your entire post. I find myself missing my scooter sometimes because "kitting up" as you call it takes so much damned time. I used to ride my scooter in bare feet.
The logic is to keep yourself out of trouble if you're not fully armored. I wear a helmet/gloves/jacket all of the time, but my choice of footwear does change sometimes and I don't even own armored pants. Hence, I don't go nuts on the street. Not trying to insinuate that the thread creator was, but I am curious as to what happened exactly.
I couldn't agree more with your entire post. I find myself missing my scooter sometimes because "kitting up" as you call it takes so much damned time. I used to ride my scooter in bare feet.
The logic is to keep yourself out of trouble if you're not fully armored. I wear a helmet/gloves/jacket all of the time, but my choice of footwear does change sometimes and I don't even own armored pants. Hence, I don't go nuts on the street. Not trying to insinuate that the thread creator was, but I am curious as to what happened exactly.
03-25-2005, 07:00 PM
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Those pictures, specifically of the ripped seams, speaks volumes about jacket choice. Most folks run around here screaming "leather leather leather" but it doesn't mean **** if the seams don't hold. Buy a jacket that reviews/tests well and don't assume that just because you're buying leather that every jacket protects you the same.
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To be perfectly honest, no. Seam strength is the one thing I wish I'd known to look for when doing my research. I imagine it's something that very few have tested but now that I know more I'm certain it can make a huge difference.
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Re: (Ross R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ross R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If cbrman was doing 20 and this happened, that's really scary. But if he was doing 60 or 70, it's a case of "well....duh." Ditto if he was doing endos and smashed into a garbage truck.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Werd. lol.
I'm gonna toss out 45/50ish...but then again it totally depends on what kinda surface he slid on, if its brand new roughass asphalt, i'm bettin you could do that at about 20. Worn down, smoothass freeway? I'm thinkin 50/60ish...
other guesses?
Werd. lol.
I'm gonna toss out 45/50ish...but then again it totally depends on what kinda surface he slid on, if its brand new roughass asphalt, i'm bettin you could do that at about 20. Worn down, smoothass freeway? I'm thinkin 50/60ish...
other guesses?
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This is definitely a good thread. I had been riding in steel toes for a little bit, and then I took them caving. Well they got screwed up. I wore sneakers after that, but yeah I really need some motorcycle boots.
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All,
For the additional info. I had just turned off a side road and was actually in first gear. I didnt look at the specific speed before the crash but I wasnt going fast maybe 25-38 mph max.
The asphalt was a little older and rough looking. You know the type it has the little white stones in it and looks like about 2 grit sandpaper.......
A car decided that they didnt want to stay in their lane. They overtook my lane in a slight sweeping right turn. I remember riding the outer edge of the turn for a little bit. It was either guard rail and embankment to the right or back into the road so that is where I steered. After that all I remember is lowsiding and I guess the bike falling on my left lower leg/foot ( I was partially stradling the bike as it slid). I slid for a few feet on my back/butt and then started to roll after I managed to seperate from the bike.
From the rolling motin of the toe heel hitting the concrete it caused my boots to flex in the arch and I broke 3 bones (metatarsals). two in the right foot one in the left foot. At the time my only thought was get the hell off the road so I didnt get run over. I somehow managed to walk/crawl on all 4's off the road.
IT since has been three years. For the most part I have healed fine. A few marks of roadrash (at least they arent where the sun shines
). I have no feeling in the heel of my left foot as it severed the bundle of nerve endings.
As all of you may think it is ok to not gear up to run a mile away and whatnot as it is a short trip. I have had 2 spills in my 9 yrs riding. The first was my fault as I had only been riding on the street for a few months it was a minor low speed spill and I walked away unscathed.
Both of the accidents were on roads I was familiar with and both were within 2-3 miles from my house.
Statistics show that 69 % of automobile accidents occur within 1-10 miles from the home.
http://www.ban.lv/e/?id=113
Fortunately I was a lucky one. I didnt get run over by a car or hit an anchored object. However in the event of an accident I will be fully protected to the best of my ability even in the florida heat. Maybe I will look like a tool in my powerranger gear, squeaking as I step in my sidi race boots but trust me my life and well being are well worth it.
Oh and this post is in no way saying joe rocket gear sucks or timberland boots suck. Timberlands were not designed for motorcycle crashing, and in the defense of the joe rocket jacket it held up pretty well considering it was a few years old. The only thing that surprised me was the seams giving out.
Speaking of seam strength, one of the reasons I frown upon the textile jackets over leather is seam strength. I know a local rider here who was trying to be a stunna. He looped his f3 at a relatively low speed 20-30 and the sleeves almost completely seperated from the jacket on the one arm. The seams tore and he got roadrash on his side and arm where the seams let way. Although results may vary, I wasnt willing to risk it.
Ride safe everyone and please try not to let appearance dictate what you will wear for protection.
Steven
For the additional info. I had just turned off a side road and was actually in first gear. I didnt look at the specific speed before the crash but I wasnt going fast maybe 25-38 mph max.
The asphalt was a little older and rough looking. You know the type it has the little white stones in it and looks like about 2 grit sandpaper.......
A car decided that they didnt want to stay in their lane. They overtook my lane in a slight sweeping right turn. I remember riding the outer edge of the turn for a little bit. It was either guard rail and embankment to the right or back into the road so that is where I steered. After that all I remember is lowsiding and I guess the bike falling on my left lower leg/foot ( I was partially stradling the bike as it slid). I slid for a few feet on my back/butt and then started to roll after I managed to seperate from the bike.
From the rolling motin of the toe heel hitting the concrete it caused my boots to flex in the arch and I broke 3 bones (metatarsals). two in the right foot one in the left foot. At the time my only thought was get the hell off the road so I didnt get run over. I somehow managed to walk/crawl on all 4's off the road.
IT since has been three years. For the most part I have healed fine. A few marks of roadrash (at least they arent where the sun shines
). I have no feeling in the heel of my left foot as it severed the bundle of nerve endings.As all of you may think it is ok to not gear up to run a mile away and whatnot as it is a short trip. I have had 2 spills in my 9 yrs riding. The first was my fault as I had only been riding on the street for a few months it was a minor low speed spill and I walked away unscathed.
Both of the accidents were on roads I was familiar with and both were within 2-3 miles from my house.
Statistics show that 69 % of automobile accidents occur within 1-10 miles from the home.
http://www.ban.lv/e/?id=113
Fortunately I was a lucky one. I didnt get run over by a car or hit an anchored object. However in the event of an accident I will be fully protected to the best of my ability even in the florida heat. Maybe I will look like a tool in my powerranger gear, squeaking as I step in my sidi race boots but trust me my life and well being are well worth it.
Oh and this post is in no way saying joe rocket gear sucks or timberland boots suck. Timberlands were not designed for motorcycle crashing, and in the defense of the joe rocket jacket it held up pretty well considering it was a few years old. The only thing that surprised me was the seams giving out.
Speaking of seam strength, one of the reasons I frown upon the textile jackets over leather is seam strength. I know a local rider here who was trying to be a stunna. He looped his f3 at a relatively low speed 20-30 and the sleeves almost completely seperated from the jacket on the one arm. The seams tore and he got roadrash on his side and arm where the seams let way. Although results may vary, I wasnt willing to risk it.
Ride safe everyone and please try not to let appearance dictate what you will wear for protection.
Steven
03-27-2005, 02:04 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ross R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How does our Alter Ego test? Do you know?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I consider any textile jacket to be disposable. One wreck per, assuming it's even in one piece after the wreck.
The front and back of my Joe Rocket Reactor S is made of the same textile material as the entire Alter Ego jacket. I lowsided at about 20 - 25 mph with it on. Rolled for the most part, but I did slide for a couple seconds:
The right arm took most of the beating as you can see. Seams held fine, and the leather did its job. For the second or two that I slid on my stomach, the textile got worn down enough to make some holes. If I had slid the entire time, I'd have had some nice rash all over my belly. Scary thought. I always imagine having the skin worn down so much that my intestines would have spilled out all over the road, lol.
So, in closing I'll repeat my opening statement, textile jackets are disposable for the most part. Don't expect much out of 'em!
Modified by hybridreams at 5:33 PM 3/27/2005
I consider any textile jacket to be disposable. One wreck per, assuming it's even in one piece after the wreck.
The front and back of my Joe Rocket Reactor S is made of the same textile material as the entire Alter Ego jacket. I lowsided at about 20 - 25 mph with it on. Rolled for the most part, but I did slide for a couple seconds:
The right arm took most of the beating as you can see. Seams held fine, and the leather did its job. For the second or two that I slid on my stomach, the textile got worn down enough to make some holes. If I had slid the entire time, I'd have had some nice rash all over my belly. Scary thought. I always imagine having the skin worn down so much that my intestines would have spilled out all over the road, lol.
So, in closing I'll repeat my opening statement, textile jackets are disposable for the most part. Don't expect much out of 'em!
Modified by hybridreams at 5:33 PM 3/27/2005
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Apocalypse »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those pictures, specifically of the ripped seams, speaks volumes about jacket choice. Most folks run around here screaming "leather leather leather" but it doesn't mean **** if the seams don't hold. Buy a jacket that reviews/tests well and don't assume that just because you're buying leather that every jacket protects you the same.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's all a matter of what you are comfortable with. If you do not want a leather jacket and you feel that textile should protect just as good as leather, then wear a textile jacket. If not wear a leather jacket. Personally I wear both depending on where I'm riding and the temp. It's your skin and your money. Simple as that.
It's all a matter of what you are comfortable with. If you do not want a leather jacket and you feel that textile should protect just as good as leather, then wear a textile jacket. If not wear a leather jacket. Personally I wear both depending on where I'm riding and the temp. It's your skin and your money. Simple as that.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Reckless636 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's all a matter of what you are comfortable with. If you do not want a leather jacket and you feel that textile should protect just as good as leather, then wear a textile jacket. If not wear a leather jacket. Personally I wear both depending on where I'm riding and the temp. It's your skin and your money. Simple as that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I wasn't advocating for or against either textile or leather in my post. Both leather and textile jackets have their good models and they're not so good models. My point was more to say that people shouldn't assume they're buying a good jacket because it's made of a particular material or by a particular manufacturer.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbrman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Speaking of seam strength, one of the reasons I frown upon the textile jackets over leather is seam strength. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm pretty sure that both types of jackets are stitched at the seams with similar material. I think seam strength is more a functional of construction and less a function of material.
I wasn't advocating for or against either textile or leather in my post. Both leather and textile jackets have their good models and they're not so good models. My point was more to say that people shouldn't assume they're buying a good jacket because it's made of a particular material or by a particular manufacturer.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbrman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Speaking of seam strength, one of the reasons I frown upon the textile jackets over leather is seam strength. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm pretty sure that both types of jackets are stitched at the seams with similar material. I think seam strength is more a functional of construction and less a function of material.
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Re: The importance of selecting the proper gear and using it at all times. (cbrman)
I know of a friend of a friend who went down at 125 mph. He was all leathered up and turned out ok. He was sore and ached but otherwise fine really. I think he was very lucky, if he had landed the wrong way I'm sure there would have been way more damage.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Apocalypse »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I wasn't advocating for or against either textile or leather in my post. Both leather and textile jackets have their good models and they're not so good models. My point was more to say that people shouldn't assume they're buying a good jacket because it's made of a particular material or by a particular manufacturer.
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I wasn't saying you were advocating for or against either textile or leather. Simply stating that some people make choices based on what other people say. I think in the end it's better to go with what you are comfortable with as far as safety is concerned. You're right though, just because it is leather, it doesn't mean it will protect better than textile. The stitch quality and design plays a huge factor.
I wasn't advocating for or against either textile or leather in my post. Both leather and textile jackets have their good models and they're not so good models. My point was more to say that people shouldn't assume they're buying a good jacket because it's made of a particular material or by a particular manufacturer.
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I wasn't saying you were advocating for or against either textile or leather. Simply stating that some people make choices based on what other people say. I think in the end it's better to go with what you are comfortable with as far as safety is concerned. You're right though, just because it is leather, it doesn't mean it will protect better than textile. The stitch quality and design plays a huge factor.
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I think my point about seam strength is being misinterpreted. I wasnt trying to say that the tensile strength of the thread used for the stitching was inferior nor was I trying to imply that the stitch style used is different for the textile jackets.
Hell for all I know they could use the exact same thread and sewing machine to create both jackets and they probably do.
My point was more geared towards the strength of the materials at the stitch itself. If you stitch two pieces of leather together, the stitch will more than likely fail before the leather will rip at/near the stitch. On the mesh jackets I saw first hand that the material failed near the seam. The stitch didnt give as it was stronger than the jacket material so the jacket tore instead.
The quality and type of material plays a tremendous role in the functionality of equipment. However if the best quality leather is held together by scotch tape well then the quality of the equipment may suffer just a little
Bottom line is this, people are going to get bikes because that is the fad now. They are going to ride in whatever they think makes them look cool disregarding personal safety. Many of them will receive a lesson in physics about the effects of gravity. Many skin grafts later they will be wishing they had listened to the people who had been there/done that first. To those who attempt to avoid this scenario by purchasing adequate gear I applaud you. To those who don't I feel your pain as road rash friggen hurts.
900rrBikerBoy, I can only imagine what would have happened to your friend had he not been wearing leathers. I would be willing to put money on it that a textile jacket would not have sustained a slide on asphalt/concrete at those speeds. I am pretty sure he would have lost alot of skin/flesh.
You are also right, if he would have landed on his head or something the outcome would have been alot worse. In no way was I trying to imply that leathers will prevent impact injuries. The extra padding in impact prone areas can help but will not prevent impact injuries completely.
This weekend I was out riding in tampa and I heard a guy on a 2 week old 600rr looped on the interstate. I dont know how he faired from the wreck nobody said, just that the bike bounced several times and nearly hit another rider in the head before landing on the metal guard rail dividing the north/southbound lanes of the interstate.
Ride safe everyone.
Hopefully my new Joe Rocket tanktop/flipflops/Sunglasses and cigarette will be in this week so I can ride in style
Hell for all I know they could use the exact same thread and sewing machine to create both jackets and they probably do.
My point was more geared towards the strength of the materials at the stitch itself. If you stitch two pieces of leather together, the stitch will more than likely fail before the leather will rip at/near the stitch. On the mesh jackets I saw first hand that the material failed near the seam. The stitch didnt give as it was stronger than the jacket material so the jacket tore instead.
The quality and type of material plays a tremendous role in the functionality of equipment. However if the best quality leather is held together by scotch tape well then the quality of the equipment may suffer just a little
Bottom line is this, people are going to get bikes because that is the fad now. They are going to ride in whatever they think makes them look cool disregarding personal safety. Many of them will receive a lesson in physics about the effects of gravity. Many skin grafts later they will be wishing they had listened to the people who had been there/done that first. To those who attempt to avoid this scenario by purchasing adequate gear I applaud you. To those who don't I feel your pain as road rash friggen hurts.
900rrBikerBoy, I can only imagine what would have happened to your friend had he not been wearing leathers. I would be willing to put money on it that a textile jacket would not have sustained a slide on asphalt/concrete at those speeds. I am pretty sure he would have lost alot of skin/flesh.
You are also right, if he would have landed on his head or something the outcome would have been alot worse. In no way was I trying to imply that leathers will prevent impact injuries. The extra padding in impact prone areas can help but will not prevent impact injuries completely.
This weekend I was out riding in tampa and I heard a guy on a 2 week old 600rr looped on the interstate. I dont know how he faired from the wreck nobody said, just that the bike bounced several times and nearly hit another rider in the head before landing on the metal guard rail dividing the north/southbound lanes of the interstate.
Ride safe everyone.
Hopefully my new Joe Rocket tanktop/flipflops/Sunglasses and cigarette will be in this week so I can ride in style
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbrman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">On the mesh jackets I saw first hand that the material failed near the seam. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Ah, that clarification makes a big difference. Ignore my previous post, I thought you were saying the seam itself (stitching) failed.
Ah, that clarification makes a big difference. Ignore my previous post, I thought you were saying the seam itself (stitching) failed.
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