Buying my first bike! Tips?
02-20-2007, 10:41 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Apocalypse »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">troll?</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol, maybe?
He's the first noob I've seen to not get uber bent out of shape when everyone tells him his idea is insane/stupid. Unlike the other guy that wants to get a RC51 as a first.
lol, maybe?
He's the first noob I've seen to not get uber bent out of shape when everyone tells him his idea is insane/stupid. Unlike the other guy that wants to get a RC51 as a first.
02-20-2007, 10:56 AM
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man, these threads are gettin old. heres some firsthand experience..................
i bought a 06 600RR as my first STREET bike. before that, i rode around on dirtbikes and a supermoto before i got annywhere near a true sportbike. i got my 600 and i can tell u that the 600cc bikes are a lot stronger than wat most people think. fast forward to about a month ago. a friend of mine buys a 06 1000RR and take it for a ride. it is a NIGHT AND DAY difference. they have much more torque and the throttle is a lot more touchy compared to the 600. also, they are not as fun on turns as a nimble lil 600. im glad i stayed away from gettin a liter as a first bike. trust me, u will regret it or, worst yet, ur ego will take over and u will have to be cleaned up with a mop and sponge...........
i bought a 06 600RR as my first STREET bike. before that, i rode around on dirtbikes and a supermoto before i got annywhere near a true sportbike. i got my 600 and i can tell u that the 600cc bikes are a lot stronger than wat most people think. fast forward to about a month ago. a friend of mine buys a 06 1000RR and take it for a ride. it is a NIGHT AND DAY difference. they have much more torque and the throttle is a lot more touchy compared to the 600. also, they are not as fun on turns as a nimble lil 600. im glad i stayed away from gettin a liter as a first bike. trust me, u will regret it or, worst yet, ur ego will take over and u will have to be cleaned up with a mop and sponge...........
02-20-2007, 01:05 PM
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Re: (ap)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ap »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont see the problem, because many other people on this board seem to have started out with a 600cc class bike anyway.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's the problem. I'm one of those people that went out and bought a newer 600cc machine because it's what i wanted. Unfortunately i hadn't joined any forums before i bought it so it wasn't until afterwards that i got the onslaught of people telling me that i should have started smaller. I consider myself lucky in my learning experience. I was very reserved on the bike and took it easy and just gradually worked my way up the powerband until ultimately i was just cruising around at peak torque all the time. I Had a few close calls and two stand still drops that i garuntee wouldn't have happened if i started on something smaller.
The reason all the people that started out on bigger bikes are recommending to start out on something smaller, is because we started out on bigger bikes. We know what the learning curve is like, and we made it out ok. Compared to some people who aren't around anymore to attest to this because they wrecked, hard.
I think for the most part all of our bitching and moaning about newbs getting big first bikes doesn't really prevent anyone from getting so and so bike, but it may instill in them a sense that what they're getting in to might be more serious than they realize and perhaps humble them enough that they respect the machine, and keep the rubber side down.
That's the problem. I'm one of those people that went out and bought a newer 600cc machine because it's what i wanted. Unfortunately i hadn't joined any forums before i bought it so it wasn't until afterwards that i got the onslaught of people telling me that i should have started smaller. I consider myself lucky in my learning experience. I was very reserved on the bike and took it easy and just gradually worked my way up the powerband until ultimately i was just cruising around at peak torque all the time. I Had a few close calls and two stand still drops that i garuntee wouldn't have happened if i started on something smaller.
The reason all the people that started out on bigger bikes are recommending to start out on something smaller, is because we started out on bigger bikes. We know what the learning curve is like, and we made it out ok. Compared to some people who aren't around anymore to attest to this because they wrecked, hard.
I think for the most part all of our bitching and moaning about newbs getting big first bikes doesn't really prevent anyone from getting so and so bike, but it may instill in them a sense that what they're getting in to might be more serious than they realize and perhaps humble them enough that they respect the machine, and keep the rubber side down.
02-20-2007, 01:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rdblckSV650S »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's the problem. I'm one of those people that went out and bought a newer 600cc machine because it's what i wanted. Unfortunately i hadn't joined any forums before i bought it so it wasn't until afterwards that i got the onslaught of people telling me that i should have started smaller. I consider myself lucky in my learning experience. I was very reserved on the bike and took it easy and just gradually worked my way up the powerband until ultimately i was just cruising around at peak torque all the time. I Had a few close calls and two stand still drops that i garuntee wouldn't have happened if i started on something smaller.
The reason all the people that started out on bigger bikes are recommending to start out on something smaller, is because we started out on bigger bikes. We know what the learning curve is like, and we made it out ok. Compared to some people who aren't around anymore to attest to this because they wrecked, hard.
I think for the most part all of our bitching and moaning about newbs getting big first bikes doesn't really prevent anyone from getting so and so bike, but it may instill in them a sense that what they're getting in to might be more serious than they realize and perhaps humble them enough that they respect the machine, and keep the rubber side down.</TD></TR></TABLE>
there's the aspect described above, but there's also another side to it: it stunts your development when you start on something too big/twitchy/powerful. you don't learn how to conserve momentum, you have to fight this huge bike (relatively speaking) to get it to turn in and lean over, you don't learn proper braking technique, you don't learn when to power out from apex. instead of learning the subtleties of being a fast rider, oftentimes new riders on fast bikes just learn the most brutish and in-elegant ways to go fast (roll on hard, hope the front end stays down, grab a bunch of brake, take 3 diff lines into a corner, because you can bail yourself out down the next straight with the 160 bhp b/w your legs).
in the same way that valentino rossi didn't start racing in the 500 class, and jenson button didn't jump into an F3 car at age 10, and tony stewart didn't start driving busch series cars at age 8, you start small because that's where you learn how to really ride/drive fast.
The reason all the people that started out on bigger bikes are recommending to start out on something smaller, is because we started out on bigger bikes. We know what the learning curve is like, and we made it out ok. Compared to some people who aren't around anymore to attest to this because they wrecked, hard.
I think for the most part all of our bitching and moaning about newbs getting big first bikes doesn't really prevent anyone from getting so and so bike, but it may instill in them a sense that what they're getting in to might be more serious than they realize and perhaps humble them enough that they respect the machine, and keep the rubber side down.</TD></TR></TABLE>
there's the aspect described above, but there's also another side to it: it stunts your development when you start on something too big/twitchy/powerful. you don't learn how to conserve momentum, you have to fight this huge bike (relatively speaking) to get it to turn in and lean over, you don't learn proper braking technique, you don't learn when to power out from apex. instead of learning the subtleties of being a fast rider, oftentimes new riders on fast bikes just learn the most brutish and in-elegant ways to go fast (roll on hard, hope the front end stays down, grab a bunch of brake, take 3 diff lines into a corner, because you can bail yourself out down the next straight with the 160 bhp b/w your legs).
in the same way that valentino rossi didn't start racing in the 500 class, and jenson button didn't jump into an F3 car at age 10, and tony stewart didn't start driving busch series cars at age 8, you start small because that's where you learn how to really ride/drive fast.
02-20-2007, 01:27 PM
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well, i just said that because it seems like everyone on this forum wants people to start off small, as if they aren't good enough to start off on something as big as they did. i mean, heck, just take the "what cc bike did you start on" thread. Almost everyone started on something of a 600cc sportbike or higher, while only a few started on a 250-500cc bike. As a newbie to the bike world, this is how it seems through the eyes of a newbie.
So, I just bit my pride and ego, and decided to start on something small(Ninja 250). Besides, I plan to be a greater-than-excellent rider in the end.
But there are people who will and want to ride just because their boosted self concept is greater than their sense of safety.
So, I just bit my pride and ego, and decided to start on something small(Ninja 250). Besides, I plan to be a greater-than-excellent rider in the end.
But there are people who will and want to ride just because their boosted self concept is greater than their sense of safety.
02-20-2007, 02:05 PM
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Re: (ap)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ap »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, i just said that because it seems like everyone on this forum wants people to start off small, as if they aren't good enough to start off on something as big as they did. i mean, heck, just take the "what cc bike did you start on" thread. Almost everyone started on something of a 600cc sportbike or higher, while only a few started on a 250-500cc bike. As a newbie to the bike world, this is how it seems through the eyes of a newbie.
So, I just bit my pride and ego, and decided to start on something small(Ninja 250). Besides, I plan to be a greater-than-excellent rider in the end.
But there are people who will and want to ride just because their boosted self concept is greater than their sense of safety.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, but a F2/F3, or a carb'd fizzer is something totally different than a 600rr or a r6...
So, I just bit my pride and ego, and decided to start on something small(Ninja 250). Besides, I plan to be a greater-than-excellent rider in the end.
But there are people who will and want to ride just because their boosted self concept is greater than their sense of safety.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah, but a F2/F3, or a carb'd fizzer is something totally different than a 600rr or a r6...
02-21-2007, 06:15 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
there's the aspect described above, but there's also another side to it: it stunts your development when you start on something too big/twitchy/powerful. you don't learn how to conserve momentum, you have to fight this huge bike (relatively speaking) to get it to turn in and lean over, you don't learn proper braking technique, you don't learn when to power out from apex. instead of learning the subtleties of being a fast rider, oftentimes new riders on fast bikes just learn the most brutish and in-elegant ways to go fast (roll on hard, hope the front end stays down, grab a bunch of brake, take 3 diff lines into a corner, because you can bail yourself out down the next straight with the 160 bhp b/w your legs).
in the same way that valentino rossi didn't start racing in the 500 class, and jenson button didn't jump into an F3 car at age 10, and tony stewart didn't start driving busch series cars at age 8, you start small because that's where you learn how to really ride/drive fast. </TD></TR></TABLE>
+1 couldnt have said it better myself!
there's the aspect described above, but there's also another side to it: it stunts your development when you start on something too big/twitchy/powerful. you don't learn how to conserve momentum, you have to fight this huge bike (relatively speaking) to get it to turn in and lean over, you don't learn proper braking technique, you don't learn when to power out from apex. instead of learning the subtleties of being a fast rider, oftentimes new riders on fast bikes just learn the most brutish and in-elegant ways to go fast (roll on hard, hope the front end stays down, grab a bunch of brake, take 3 diff lines into a corner, because you can bail yourself out down the next straight with the 160 bhp b/w your legs).
in the same way that valentino rossi didn't start racing in the 500 class, and jenson button didn't jump into an F3 car at age 10, and tony stewart didn't start driving busch series cars at age 8, you start small because that's where you learn how to really ride/drive fast. </TD></TR></TABLE>
+1 couldnt have said it better myself!
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I was enlightened by a couple of people on 600rr.net about this issue and it was broken down to me why gettin a 600 would be better to start off with so i have decided to get a orange and black tribal 600rr when my tax return comes back! 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AP1_luv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was enlightened by a couple of people on 600rr.net about this issue and it was broken down to me why gettin a 600 would be better to start off with so i have decided to get a orange and black tribal 600rr when my tax return comes back! </TD></TR></TABLE>
Good decision . Glad to see you got some sense beat into you 
and trust me, the 600rr will be more than enough.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Good decision
. Glad to see you got some sense beat into you and trust me, the 600rr will be more than enough.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
there's the aspect described above, but there's also another side to it: it stunts your development when you start on something too big/twitchy/powerful. you don't learn how to conserve momentum, you have to fight this huge bike (relatively speaking) to get it to turn in and lean over, you don't learn proper braking technique, you don't learn when to power out from apex. instead of learning the subtleties of being a fast rider, oftentimes new riders on fast bikes just learn the most brutish and in-elegant ways to go fast (roll on hard, hope the front end stays down, grab a bunch of brake, take 3 diff lines into a corner, because you can bail yourself out down the next straight with the 160 bhp b/w your legs).
in the same way that valentino rossi didn't start racing in the 500 class, and jenson button didn't jump into an F3 car at age 10, and tony stewart didn't start driving busch series cars at age 8, you start small because that's where you learn how to really ride/drive fast. </TD></TR></TABLE>
And along those lines....its more fun to ride a slower bike fast than a fast bike slow...which is what you are going to do on a 1000cc bike. There is a reason that the 600 class is the most competitive among sport bikes.
As people are saying, start small, learn your skills, then get a bigger bike if you feel you need to. MANY experienced riders are on 600's, by choice.
there's the aspect described above, but there's also another side to it: it stunts your development when you start on something too big/twitchy/powerful. you don't learn how to conserve momentum, you have to fight this huge bike (relatively speaking) to get it to turn in and lean over, you don't learn proper braking technique, you don't learn when to power out from apex. instead of learning the subtleties of being a fast rider, oftentimes new riders on fast bikes just learn the most brutish and in-elegant ways to go fast (roll on hard, hope the front end stays down, grab a bunch of brake, take 3 diff lines into a corner, because you can bail yourself out down the next straight with the 160 bhp b/w your legs).
in the same way that valentino rossi didn't start racing in the 500 class, and jenson button didn't jump into an F3 car at age 10, and tony stewart didn't start driving busch series cars at age 8, you start small because that's where you learn how to really ride/drive fast. </TD></TR></TABLE>
And along those lines....its more fun to ride a slower bike fast than a fast bike slow...which is what you are going to do on a 1000cc bike. There is a reason that the 600 class is the most competitive among sport bikes.
As people are saying, start small, learn your skills, then get a bigger bike if you feel you need to. MANY experienced riders are on 600's, by choice.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by miketegra »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
And along those lines....its more fun to ride a slower bike fast than a fast bike slow...which is what you are going to do on a 1000cc bike. There is a reason that the 600 class is the most competitive among sport bikes.
As people are saying, start small, learn your skills, then get a bigger bike if you feel you need to. MANY experienced riders are on 600's, by choice.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Very true!
Thanks 4 all the advice! I was about to make a mistake!
And along those lines....its more fun to ride a slower bike fast than a fast bike slow...which is what you are going to do on a 1000cc bike. There is a reason that the 600 class is the most competitive among sport bikes.
As people are saying, start small, learn your skills, then get a bigger bike if you feel you need to. MANY experienced riders are on 600's, by choice.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Very true!
Thanks 4 all the advice! I was about to make a mistake!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
valentino rossi didn't start racing in the 500 class, and jenson button didn't jump into an F3 car at age 10, and tony stewart didn't start driving busch series cars at age 8 </TD></TR></TABLE>
But they probably could have
valentino rossi didn't start racing in the 500 class, and jenson button didn't jump into an F3 car at age 10, and tony stewart didn't start driving busch series cars at age 8 </TD></TR></TABLE>
But they probably could have
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I already took the msf coarse I have had my license 4 the past 2 years just know bike cuz I was living @ home and my mom hate them! It was either have a place to stay or get a bike so I chose to stay until I could afford to do other things! Thanks though!
skimp out on msf its overrated
</TD></TR></TABLE>I already took the msf coarse I have had my license 4 the past 2 years just know bike cuz I was living @ home and my mom hate them! It was either have a place to stay or get a bike so I chose to stay until I could afford to do other things! Thanks though!
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