Kalokohan

So I start my bike this morning to warm it up. I go back in to get the rest of my stuff. I come back out about 5 min. later and my bike is tipped over on the ground. I pick her back up and she won't start, not even turn over. I tried waiting 30 mins. but she still doesn't start nor turn over. Any suggestions??

tonydatyga

What bike? Check electrical connections first. Does starter switch click solenoid? Kill switch in run? Battery connected? Battery acid not leaked?

Kalokohan

00 CBR600 F4.
Yes, starter does make clicking noise but motor does not turn over or crank.
Kill switch is in run position.
Batt. connected, yes.
No signs of acid leaking...nothing on the ground when I looked...what do I look for?never seen battery acid.

ahead

i dont know if this will work, but i saw some guy do this once. when his bike tipped over, and it wouldnt start but it was trying to turn over, he put his hand over the opening on the pipe and tried starting it again, after like 3 trys it started right up. try that. hope that helps

Kalokohan

You mean plug the exhaust?

Etylorcen

Try draining the float bowls on the carbs. Check the fuses first.

Kalokohan

Float bowl? Not sure what that is.
So far this is what I plan on doing when I get home:
a. Remove Spark Plugs
b. Crank bike and try to get any and all fuel out of comb. chamber
c. Dry plugs & reinstall them
Hopefully this will solve the problem. I just hope I didn't bend a rod trying to start it this morning.

jgold47

its possible you flooded the plugs......

see if it cranks when you get home....

mmmmnnn riding when I get home, I cant wait!!

EKhatch

Guys, he said bike doesn't turn over.
Can't plug the exhaust to start the bike if it won't turn over.

My guess is:

Bike fell over.......
Bike died........
Headlight stayted on as key was still on........
Battery was drained while owner was inside........
Charge battery and start it up.......
Go ride your bike.........

Kalokohan

I hope you're right EKhatch. The battery is defnitely not dead since all the lights on the cluster, headlights & tailight come on.

baddassduramax

they may come on, but when you try to start it, maybe the battery just doesnt have enough juice to crank motor....my $.02

EKhatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kalokohan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hope you're right EKhatch. The battery is defnitely not dead since all the lights on the cluster, headlights & tailight come on.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Do they dim really bad when you hit the start buton on the bike?

Does the starter just click when you hit the button or not do anyhting?

Kalokohan

there's a slight dim when you hit the button.....there's a click, the motor tries to half crank and that's it.

EKhatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kalokohan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there's a slight dim when you hit the button.....there's a click, the motor tries to half crank and that's it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's got to be a discharged battery. Enough power to run the lights but that's it.

Put a charger on it but be carfule how many amps you charge it at. Look in your owners manual and it should say something like 4 amps for a couple of hours for a quick charge.

All in all..........all signs point to battery.

Kalokohan

I think it's the battery too. When I press the starter, the headlight goes completely off, as soon as I let go of the starter, it's on again but a bit dim. Also, my horn doesn't even work. I think I'm just going to buy a new batt....I don't have a charger. Where is the cheapest place to buy one?

tonydatyga

Did it fall left or right? Is there any visible damage to the engine case? Sounds like engine lockup for one reason or another may be possible. My best guess at this point is transmission/clutch. Is it really in N and the clutch really disengaged? If it fell to the right it may have bent or otherwise misadjusted the clutch system. If it fell right it may have bent the gear selector, shift arm, etc.

EKhatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tonydatyga &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Did it fall left or right? Is there any visible damage to the engine case? Sounds like engine lockup for one reason or another may be possible. My best guess at this point is transmission/clutch. Is it really in N and the clutch really disengaged? If it fell to the right it may have bent or otherwise misadjusted the clutch system. If it fell right it may have bent the gear selector, shift arm, etc.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Is this even remotely possible from the bike simply falling over from a stand still?

If so it would have to be a 1 in a million chance I would think?

jgold47

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EKhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Is this even remotely possible from the bike simply falling over from a stand still?

If so it would have to be a 1 in a million chance I would think? </TD></TR></TABLE>


oh yes....if it lands right on the side, and jams the shifter hard enough, not to mention the simple percussive effect a drop has, but if he hasnt tried the battery thing yet, than there is nothing to do other than make suggestions...when we start eliminating stuff.....

1. I have a hard time believeing that a bike with the light left on for only 5 minutes would be so dead that it wouldnt start....its possible that the battery got damaged (cracked a plate) in the fall but I doubt its dead ??

2. if you want to test it, get some jumpercables and a car and hook them up just like you would to a dead car, adn try that, if it works, its the battery, if it dosent, well then you have bigger problems....

3. good luck........

jgold47

oh one more thing...it is also possible that with the engine on its side the oil in the engine, was able to run dry, you may have locked the engine, if the oil pickup in on the bottom of a vericle engine, and you tip it, for a few seconds it should be ok, but for 5 minutes you might have locked it, in which case, get ready for a new bike, you may be having the dim lights and ****, becuase the starter has to work so damn hard to try and turn the frozen motor over....but **** I hope its not that!!

Kalokohan

I seriously do not think that's possible. Yes it was in Neutral and I figure she sat for about 3 mins. I did an oil/filter change on her tonight and I can smell the fuel. I've made up my mind to replace the battery.

If battery no worky: How hard is it to replace the starter?

EKhatch

Wasn't thinking of it landing on the shifter, with the kickstand on that side it might be hard to hit the shifter but that is worth thinking about.

I am not following you on the oil thing. Exactly how is it supposed to lock the engine? Please explain, thanks.

jgold47

sure...

when the engine is running normally (ie standing up) the oil pump (or pickup what ever it is in your bike is able to get teh oil up and moving through the engine like normal.... like this |

now when the bike is on its side, -- it will starve the oil pump, and since all that oil is collecting on the low side of the cylender walls, the highside will very quickly lock agaignst the wall due to a lack of lubrication. addtionally, if the bike rocked so that the top of the engine was \ it could foul the plugs keeping it from starting....

this is an extreme example but one to think about should the battery jump not work...

EKhatch

This makes so much sense now.

I wasn't thinking of the bike running when it fell over I was thinking it died before it fell over for some reason.

Yeah.I hope that isn't the case either.

tonydatyga

Where did you smell the fuel? My gut tells me its mechanical, not starter or electrical related. The oil starvation proposed is quite feasible. What I mentioned is as well. Listen, the starter is engaging the crankshaft and for one reason or another it can't turn it over. One reason could be the starter/battery isn't functioning at 100%, however there are no obvious signs of this. Hooking up to a known good battery will prove or disprove this reasoning for sure. Btw, even 10 seconds under full lubrication starvation will lock up an engine. I wouldn't throw a battery at it. If you have access, grab a 1/2" breaker bar and the corresponding socket and try to turn the crank. Be sure the bike is stable, in neutral and with the rear wheel off the ground for good measure. Also make sure brakes are not seized. If you can't turn the crank w/ the bar then you've got a seized engine. No battery in the world is going to change that. And the starter is easy to R&R if that turns out to be the problem.

Rob :190:

dont people drop bikes a lot? How common is a seized motor?