Why is everyone jumping on the Honda Fit Bandwagon?
05-10-2006, 11:12 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It deosn't hurt fuel economy if they are the same size or eqaul the same weight you are right but you said
That didn't make sense to me</TD></TR></TABLE>
most of the time, the tire/wheel combination is wider and or heavier than the stock combination. if this is the case...fuel economy is sacrificed.
That didn't make sense to me</TD></TR></TABLE>
most of the time, the tire/wheel combination is wider and or heavier than the stock combination. if this is the case...fuel economy is sacrificed.
05-10-2006, 11:14 AM
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Size does not matter, but weight does. I run 17" volks on my teg that are lighter than the factory 15's. I guess your original statement should be a little more clear. You said nothing about weight. All you said was that the gas milage won't be effected if you change the size of the wheel but maintain the same diameter. Some heavy *** 17" WILL affect the milage even if the diameter is the same.
05-10-2006, 11:20 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Size does not matter, but weight does. I run 17" volks on my teg that are lighter than the factory 15's. I guess your original statement should be a little more clear. You said nothing about weight. All you said was that the gas milage won't be effected if you change the size of the wheel but maintain the same diameter. Some heavy *** 17" WILL affect the milage even if the diameter is the same.</TD></TR></TABLE>you are correct...I just assume everyone buys the same type parts as I do...but yes..If you buy some heavy wheels it WILL hurt.
05-10-2006, 11:36 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I_HATE_JDM »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you are correct...I just assume everyone buys the same type parts as I do...but yes..If you buy some heavy wheels it WILL hurt.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you are incorrect.
size...more specifically width and tire/wheel weight distribution negatively affect gas mileage.
the width of the tire is directly relative to friction which means more energy is lost by transferring power through a larger contact point.
weight distribution is also a factor...where the weight is of the tire/wheel combination is pushed further away from the center of the wheel. with a larger tire/wheel combination, the weight will be focused further away from the center...compared to almost all OEM tire/wheel combinations.
now...i'm basing my assumptions on the most popular wheel/tire setups...which include larger wheels and wider tires...which are often "performance" tires that have stiffer/heavier sidewalls.
of course...if you went with a set of 14inch volk te37's and a lighter tire...gas mileage would be improved...
but who runs smaller wheels anymore?
you are incorrect.
size...more specifically width and tire/wheel weight distribution negatively affect gas mileage.
the width of the tire is directly relative to friction which means more energy is lost by transferring power through a larger contact point.
weight distribution is also a factor...where the weight is of the tire/wheel combination is pushed further away from the center of the wheel. with a larger tire/wheel combination, the weight will be focused further away from the center...compared to almost all OEM tire/wheel combinations.
now...i'm basing my assumptions on the most popular wheel/tire setups...which include larger wheels and wider tires...which are often "performance" tires that have stiffer/heavier sidewalls.
of course...if you went with a set of 14inch volk te37's and a lighter tire...gas mileage would be improved...
but who runs smaller wheels anymore?
05-10-2006, 12:05 PM
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Re: Why is everyone jumping on the Honda Fit Bandwagon? (chet)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chet »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its slow. how can anyone be excited about a car that has 100whp?
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Are you serious?
How mush HP did the CRX Si have? Did it suck in terms of fun to drive?
Plus the fit wasn't designed to be a race kaa either, yet is is more nimble in a lane change manuver than the C6 Z06.
Modified by Trey at 4:52 PM 5/10/2006
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Are you serious?
How mush HP did the CRX Si have? Did it suck in terms of fun to drive?
Plus the fit wasn't designed to be a race kaa either, yet is is more nimble in a lane change manuver than the C6 Z06.
Modified by Trey at 4:52 PM 5/10/2006
05-10-2006, 12:33 PM
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Actually wheel weight does matter, heavier wheels will degrade mpg, wider tires will also degrade mpg due to larger contact patch which increases your rolling resistance. As to "weight distribution" you went off on a tangent there which made no sense. If you're referring to offset or adding spacers that's going to have no effect on mileage. Wheel/tire weight and tread width are the two factors that will adversely effect your mileage if you go heavier/wider than stock. Although a 1" wider than stock contact patch effects on your mpg will be almost negligible. I could see it being a real concern if you were swapping out 15x6 wheels for say 18x10's then yeah you're going to see degraded mileage. 
And in general, I've driven the Fit, it's a very well put together car. Great cargo room, comfortable, the cabin is quiet as very little road noise gets through. With 0-60 times of 8.86 seconds it's quick enough to keep me entertained. I've read as many articles on this little car as I can and everything I've read has been very positive. Looks might be a subject for debate with some folks but what the car does it does very well. Plus, it's a Honda. For those who want more, there is quite a large following overseas with the Jazz so aftermarket parts are available to make it faster if you want. My personal reasons for wanting to get one foremost is mileage. I drive 70 miles round trip every day 5 days a week in my current car that gets 22mpg (on a good day) I'm spending roughly $4050 a year on gas. Well if I can cut that in half I'm all over it.
And in general, I've driven the Fit, it's a very well put together car. Great cargo room, comfortable, the cabin is quiet as very little road noise gets through. With 0-60 times of 8.86 seconds it's quick enough to keep me entertained. I've read as many articles on this little car as I can and everything I've read has been very positive. Looks might be a subject for debate with some folks but what the car does it does very well. Plus, it's a Honda. For those who want more, there is quite a large following overseas with the Jazz so aftermarket parts are available to make it faster if you want. My personal reasons for wanting to get one foremost is mileage. I drive 70 miles round trip every day 5 days a week in my current car that gets 22mpg (on a good day) I'm spending roughly $4050 a year on gas. Well if I can cut that in half I'm all over it.
05-10-2006, 12:57 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chet »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
there is no way you can compare a crx to a fit. the crx is lighter and has much more potential.
the FIT is a 4 door minivan/sedan/economy car. its not that i don't like it...but it is what it is.
i go into the FIT forums...and people are putting rims on this thing (which hurt fuel economy), suspension (which hurts ride quality) and other "race inspired" parts which seem to suggest these owners are also looking for performance from their FIT.
again...this seems like a paradox.
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we must not have seen or herd of the spoon fit n1 race car
it has performace potential and its lighter than alot of cars on the road
i like it
there is no way you can compare a crx to a fit. the crx is lighter and has much more potential.
the FIT is a 4 door minivan/sedan/economy car. its not that i don't like it...but it is what it is.
i go into the FIT forums...and people are putting rims on this thing (which hurt fuel economy), suspension (which hurts ride quality) and other "race inspired" parts which seem to suggest these owners are also looking for performance from their FIT.
again...this seems like a paradox.
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we must not have seen or herd of the spoon fit n1 race car
it has performace potential and its lighter than alot of cars on the road
i like it
05-10-2006, 01:00 PM
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Re: (Lan)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It deosn't hurt fuel economy if they are the same size or eqaul the same weight you are right but you said
That didn't make sense to me</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you knew anything about tire/ wheel plus size combinations you would know that it is possible to, for example, to replace a stock 15 rim with 195/55 tire with a 16" wheel with 205/50 or 205/45 series tire and be nearly identical to stock wheel diameter and/or circumference.
That didn't make sense to me</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you knew anything about tire/ wheel plus size combinations you would know that it is possible to, for example, to replace a stock 15 rim with 195/55 tire with a 16" wheel with 205/50 or 205/45 series tire and be nearly identical to stock wheel diameter and/or circumference.
05-10-2006, 02:10 PM
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here's why we got the Fit...
1) Cheap -- It was $15750 out the door for a Sport MT (that is the model with all the options)
2) Reliable -- Derr, Honda 1.5
3) Roomy -- Might look small but I am 6'3" and fit with tons of head and legroom, front AND back.
4) Versatile -- The seats move into all sorts of configs that yield tons of space.
5) Excellent Driving Dynamics -- Drive one, it has a very nimble, go-kart-like feel.
Now, as for your other arguments...sure, it does only have 109hp BUT, the powerband is VERY flexible and produces ample torque and HP in the low/mid range so you move around town really easily. The weight is only 2450lbs but the car has excellent safety ratings and a crapload of airbags. The looks of the thing are debatable but we like it so that's all that matters.
And to top things off, On Saturday I drove all over the place with the wife and dog. We were going on mountain roads, highway, city, etc. And we passed a crapload of people while redlining the sucker gear after gear...we got 37.2MPG for that tank.
When I REALLY want to have fun, I jump in my M3, so meh.
1) Cheap -- It was $15750 out the door for a Sport MT (that is the model with all the options)
2) Reliable -- Derr, Honda 1.5
3) Roomy -- Might look small but I am 6'3" and fit with tons of head and legroom, front AND back.
4) Versatile -- The seats move into all sorts of configs that yield tons of space.
5) Excellent Driving Dynamics -- Drive one, it has a very nimble, go-kart-like feel.
Now, as for your other arguments...sure, it does only have 109hp BUT, the powerband is VERY flexible and produces ample torque and HP in the low/mid range so you move around town really easily. The weight is only 2450lbs but the car has excellent safety ratings and a crapload of airbags. The looks of the thing are debatable but we like it so that's all that matters.
And to top things off, On Saturday I drove all over the place with the wife and dog. We were going on mountain roads, highway, city, etc. And we passed a crapload of people while redlining the sucker gear after gear...we got 37.2MPG for that tank.
When I REALLY want to have fun, I jump in my M3, so meh.
05-10-2006, 03:41 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hasafraker »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As to "weight distribution" you went off on a tangent there which made no sense. .</TD></TR></TABLE>
i will explain my point more clearly. say you have an oem tire/wheel combination that weighs 35lbs.
the rim (say a 15 x 7)weighs 15lbs and the tire weighs 20lbs.
now...consider an aftermarket wheel that weighs 12lbs (a 16 x 7) and the tire weighs 23lbs.
the distribution has been changed...with more weight being placed further away from the center. while the overall tire/wheel weight remains the same...the amount of work to spin the wheel will be different and thus affect fuel economy.
i will explain my point more clearly. say you have an oem tire/wheel combination that weighs 35lbs.
the rim (say a 15 x 7)weighs 15lbs and the tire weighs 20lbs.
now...consider an aftermarket wheel that weighs 12lbs (a 16 x 7) and the tire weighs 23lbs.
the distribution has been changed...with more weight being placed further away from the center. while the overall tire/wheel weight remains the same...the amount of work to spin the wheel will be different and thus affect fuel economy.
05-10-2006, 04:23 PM
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OK....
Why do you care in the first place? Just don't get one if it bothers you.
I'm getting one because it costs 15k and gets almost 40mpg.
It's lighter than most cars, and when compared to the Yaris, yes it costs 2k more, but it's roomier and more comfortable than the Yaris.
It will cost less on insurance.
And the 'omg no horsepower' problem...
I can own several cars and this can be a commuter, but if you had a real power chubby K series swap kits will soon be available and people will say CR what?
You come in with ignorance and criticize other people's choices, that really aren't of much concern to you.
I'm paying too much for gas right now and I'd like an inexpensive break from it. Sorry it bothers you. I WAS gonna get an xA before this but the honda is BETTER.
Why do you care in the first place? Just don't get one if it bothers you.
I'm getting one because it costs 15k and gets almost 40mpg.
It's lighter than most cars, and when compared to the Yaris, yes it costs 2k more, but it's roomier and more comfortable than the Yaris.
It will cost less on insurance.
And the 'omg no horsepower' problem...
I can own several cars and this can be a commuter, but if you had a real power chubby K series swap kits will soon be available and people will say CR what?
You come in with ignorance and criticize other people's choices, that really aren't of much concern to you.
I'm paying too much for gas right now and I'd like an inexpensive break from it. Sorry it bothers you. I WAS gonna get an xA before this but the honda is BETTER.
05-10-2006, 05:57 PM
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If I were to get a Fit, I would have to say that the most attrative thing would be going 67mph in a 20 mph exit ramp, 85mph in a 45 mph off ramp, and 85mph thru 30mph turns.
Stock.
I've been lucky enough to ride in one and believe me, the grip is amazing.
Stock.
I've been lucky enough to ride in one and believe me, the grip is amazing.
05-10-2006, 06:01 PM
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A car doesn't have to be fast to be fun. I just bought my Fit and love it, this thing is gonna ******* handle with some lowering springs and stickier tires. Kinda reminds me of the Crx i sold for it
05-10-2006, 09:21 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jeebusm3 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here's why we got the Fit...
1) Cheap -- It was $15750 out the door for a Sport MT (that is the model with all the options)
2) Reliable -- Derr, Honda 1.5
3) Roomy -- Might look small but I am 6'3" and fit with tons of head and legroom, front AND back.
4) Versatile -- The seats move into all sorts of configs that yield tons of space.
5) Excellent Driving Dynamics -- Drive one, it has a very nimble, go-kart-like feel.
Now, as for your other arguments...sure, it does only have 109hp BUT, the powerband is VERY flexible and produces ample torque and HP in the low/mid range so you move around town really easily. The weight is only 2450lbs but the car has excellent safety ratings and a crapload of airbags. The looks of the thing are debatable but we like it so that's all that matters.
And to top things off, On Saturday I drove all over the place with the wife and dog. We were going on mountain roads, highway, city, etc. And we passed a crapload of people while redlining the sucker gear after gear...we got 37.2MPG for that tank.
When I REALLY want to have fun, I jump in my M3, so meh.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wow man u read my mind! Thats almost exactly what i was thinking except the looks thing, i LOVE it, and the m3, i ain't as gangsta as you are and dont have one of those lyin around.
U forgot a factor....the looks u get from ppl!! I always get stared at cuz ppl r wondering what kinda car is it. I was @ the DIY car wash and like 3x ppl asked me what it was. I was gonna buy a yaris but then i found out u gotta pay $2300 for power options!?!? WTF!! Plus i still love Honda's.
1) Cheap -- It was $15750 out the door for a Sport MT (that is the model with all the options)
2) Reliable -- Derr, Honda 1.5
3) Roomy -- Might look small but I am 6'3" and fit with tons of head and legroom, front AND back.
4) Versatile -- The seats move into all sorts of configs that yield tons of space.
5) Excellent Driving Dynamics -- Drive one, it has a very nimble, go-kart-like feel.
Now, as for your other arguments...sure, it does only have 109hp BUT, the powerband is VERY flexible and produces ample torque and HP in the low/mid range so you move around town really easily. The weight is only 2450lbs but the car has excellent safety ratings and a crapload of airbags. The looks of the thing are debatable but we like it so that's all that matters.
And to top things off, On Saturday I drove all over the place with the wife and dog. We were going on mountain roads, highway, city, etc. And we passed a crapload of people while redlining the sucker gear after gear...we got 37.2MPG for that tank.
When I REALLY want to have fun, I jump in my M3, so meh.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wow man u read my mind! Thats almost exactly what i was thinking except the looks thing, i LOVE it, and the m3, i ain't as gangsta as you are and dont have one of those lyin around.
U forgot a factor....the looks u get from ppl!! I always get stared at cuz ppl r wondering what kinda car is it. I was @ the DIY car wash and like 3x ppl asked me what it was. I was gonna buy a yaris but then i found out u gotta pay $2300 for power options!?!? WTF!! Plus i still love Honda's.
05-10-2006, 10:36 PM
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Re: Why is everyone jumping on the Honda Fit Bandwagon? (chet)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chet »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its slow. how can anyone be excited about a car that has 100whp?
driving a car with 200whp is hardly exciting...much less a vehicle with HALF that much horsepower weighing a relatively robust 2600lbs.
my opinion only...but i just can't figure this out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
it is slow. Not painfully slow to the point it's unbearable, but slow. That still doesn't change the fact that it's fun to drive. I'm sure you have been in cars that have been underpowered but are still fun to drive.
Take the 1st gen Miata's for instance. Not nearly enough power to make it really exciting but that little sucker was fun to drive! It wasn't even the convertible factor that made if fun to drive. It was the way it handled going around town. It's definitely not the fastest car out there but you do get a smile on your face when you take it out for a spirited drive.
The small things are what make this car a great little package. I still don't see how this is a bandwagon though.
driving a car with 200whp is hardly exciting...much less a vehicle with HALF that much horsepower weighing a relatively robust 2600lbs.
my opinion only...but i just can't figure this out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
it is slow. Not painfully slow to the point it's unbearable, but slow. That still doesn't change the fact that it's fun to drive. I'm sure you have been in cars that have been underpowered but are still fun to drive.
Take the 1st gen Miata's for instance. Not nearly enough power to make it really exciting but that little sucker was fun to drive! It wasn't even the convertible factor that made if fun to drive. It was the way it handled going around town. It's definitely not the fastest car out there but you do get a smile on your face when you take it out for a spirited drive.
The small things are what make this car a great little package. I still don't see how this is a bandwagon though.
05-10-2006, 11:34 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accordselux »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK....
Why do you care in the first place? Just don't get one if it bothers you.
I'm getting one because it costs 15k and gets almost 40mpg.
It's lighter than most cars, and when compared to the Yaris, yes it costs 2k more, but it's roomier and more comfortable than the Yaris.
It will cost less on insurance.
And the 'omg no horsepower' problem...
I can own several cars and this can be a commuter, but if you had a real power chubby K series swap kits will soon be available and people will say CR what?
You come in with ignorance and criticize other people's choices, that really aren't of much concern to you.
I'm paying too much for gas right now and I'd like an inexpensive break from it. Sorry it bothers you. I WAS gonna get an xA before this but the honda is BETTER.</TD></TR></TABLE>
where do i come across as ignorant? because i'm why the FIT is suddenly so popular? i don't even mind the FIT, but i myself could never drive a 100whp car...regardless of the gas mileage. for 15k, neon srt4's are available, lancer evolutions are almost available (about 2k more for an 03 with higher mileage) and both get around 25-30mpg.
if you look at what i've posted...i'm just asking those who really like the FIT to explain why they would consider buying one.
Why do you care in the first place? Just don't get one if it bothers you.
I'm getting one because it costs 15k and gets almost 40mpg.
It's lighter than most cars, and when compared to the Yaris, yes it costs 2k more, but it's roomier and more comfortable than the Yaris.
It will cost less on insurance.
And the 'omg no horsepower' problem...
I can own several cars and this can be a commuter, but if you had a real power chubby K series swap kits will soon be available and people will say CR what?
You come in with ignorance and criticize other people's choices, that really aren't of much concern to you.
I'm paying too much for gas right now and I'd like an inexpensive break from it. Sorry it bothers you. I WAS gonna get an xA before this but the honda is BETTER.</TD></TR></TABLE>
where do i come across as ignorant? because i'm why the FIT is suddenly so popular? i don't even mind the FIT, but i myself could never drive a 100whp car...regardless of the gas mileage. for 15k, neon srt4's are available, lancer evolutions are almost available (about 2k more for an 03 with higher mileage) and both get around 25-30mpg.
if you look at what i've posted...i'm just asking those who really like the FIT to explain why they would consider buying one.
05-11-2006, 03:47 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chet »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you look at what i've posted...i'm just asking those who really like the FIT to explain why they would consider buying one. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Looks to me like they did.
Looks to me like they did.
05-11-2006, 05:27 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chet »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i don't even mind the FIT, but i myself could never drive a 100whp car...regardless of the gas mileage. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Hence why we are in a fuel crisis.. Its this mentality of self absorbed people that only care about themselves..
100hp is more than enough to haul people around efficiently
Hence why we are in a fuel crisis.. Its this mentality of self absorbed people that only care about themselves..
100hp is more than enough to haul people around efficiently
05-11-2006, 06:22 AM
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Having owned a Scion xB for about 10 months now, it seems that people either get it or they don't, and I'm not necessarily talking styling. I went from a Prelude SH to an xB. People said, "How can you go from a Lude to an xB?"
It wasn't that big of a deal. I thought it was going to be, but you get used to the lack of power. About 95% of my driving is commuting to and from work. I rarely ever go faster than 70-75 mph.
So why did I need a car (Lude) that got 23 mpg on 93 ocatane, was cramped and impractical? I didn't. Don't get me wrong, the Lude was fun. It was quick, looked great and was a lot of fun. However, it didn't get me to work any faster and it sucked the money out of my wallet when paying $3.20/gal. for gas.
Plus, I've always liked tall wagons (my first car was a 1992 Mitsubishi Expo LRV). I really value the practicallity of car like the Fit and/or xB.
Also, going fast isn't always everyone's No. 1 priority.
I don't expect everyone to understand; like I said: you either get it or you don't get it.
Oh, and by the way, you don't know the meaning of "slow" until you've owned a 1979 Honda Civic 1200 with a Hondamatic (two-speed) transmission. Now that is slow.
It wasn't that big of a deal. I thought it was going to be, but you get used to the lack of power. About 95% of my driving is commuting to and from work. I rarely ever go faster than 70-75 mph.
So why did I need a car (Lude) that got 23 mpg on 93 ocatane, was cramped and impractical? I didn't. Don't get me wrong, the Lude was fun. It was quick, looked great and was a lot of fun. However, it didn't get me to work any faster and it sucked the money out of my wallet when paying $3.20/gal. for gas.
Plus, I've always liked tall wagons (my first car was a 1992 Mitsubishi Expo LRV). I really value the practicallity of car like the Fit and/or xB.
Also, going fast isn't always everyone's No. 1 priority.
I don't expect everyone to understand; like I said: you either get it or you don't get it.
Oh, and by the way, you don't know the meaning of "slow" until you've owned a 1979 Honda Civic 1200 with a Hondamatic (two-speed) transmission. Now that is slow.
05-11-2006, 06:52 AM
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chet, what a ballbuster remember this is the FIT forum if you don't like it just click the forum of the car of your choice and leave us to enjoy our Fits.
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Re: Why is everyone jumping on the Honda Fit Bandwagon? (chet)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chet »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i realize its a new honda. i realize its full of ingenuity and has its own distinct style.
yes...its practical, its "sporty" and it gets good gas mileage.
BUT
its slow. how can anyone be excited about a car that has 100whp?
driving a car with 200whp is hardly exciting...much less a vehicle with HALF that much horsepower weighing a relatively robust 2600lbs.
my opinion only...but i just can't figure this out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can't figure it out because you're not very smart (in my opinion). You see, it's only important to YOU to think that you need a car with 200+hp. That's why there are 100s of automobile models made by lots of manufacturers to cater to every market segment. You see, you're the not-so-smart segment but you have money - so the manufacturers have figured out that they can build a car to suite your desires and make lots of money.
Same goes for SUV owners that buy vehicles like the Suburban, Tahoe, etc... You know, the 6000+lb trucks turned into stationwagons with leather seats. This market segment is easily the dumbest (in my opinion). Of this market segment 5% probably actually need a vehicle like the Tahoe because they want to haul heavy loads, go offroading, etc... The other 95% are complete morons because they've bought a piece of crap truck with 1890s leaf spring suspension technology, a wobbly ladder frame construction, and fly their 3 ton pieces of garbage at high speeds down the highway. Ford and GM love these idiots becuase they've helped their companies do well in the last 10 years from the 30% - 40% profit margins they make on these vehicles. Those are the highest margins for any vehicles for any manufacturer. Like I said, build a crappy ladder-frame truck, make it into a stationwagon, put in leather seats, and charge people $40k+ for it when it cost you only $20k to make it. SCORE.
Ok, that's my SUV rant. About the Fit: I like it because it's anti-SUV and anti-US-auto-manufacturer thinking. It's small, roomy, nimble, and gets good gas mileage. It's Euro-centric meaning it's a car to get you from point A to point B. Life happens during the journey - not when someone's checkin out your rims. The Fit says I car about gas mileage and that I'm concerned about the fact that we're enriching totalitarian regimes in the Middle East by buying more and more their oil. The Fit doesn't do 0-60 in 5 seconds but I could give a crap. I use it to drive to work, around town, etc... I simply have no desire to go 0-60 in 5 seconds. The Fit does it in 9.5 and that's fine with me. Passing on the freeway requires a little planning but it's completely fine.
Furthermore, I have a German sedan that's turbocharged and pulls just 12lbs/hp compared to about double that for the Fit. So, in some sense I have the been-there-done-that attitude about speed and power.
Lastly, and MOST IMPORTANTLY!!!!!!!... chicks dig it. Chicks think I'm smart, fit, liberal, and that I love puppies and the environment. It works.
Modified by Fitfokker at 9:16 AM 5/11/2006
yes...its practical, its "sporty" and it gets good gas mileage.
BUT
its slow. how can anyone be excited about a car that has 100whp?
driving a car with 200whp is hardly exciting...much less a vehicle with HALF that much horsepower weighing a relatively robust 2600lbs.
my opinion only...but i just can't figure this out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You can't figure it out because you're not very smart (in my opinion). You see, it's only important to YOU to think that you need a car with 200+hp. That's why there are 100s of automobile models made by lots of manufacturers to cater to every market segment. You see, you're the not-so-smart segment but you have money - so the manufacturers have figured out that they can build a car to suite your desires and make lots of money.
Same goes for SUV owners that buy vehicles like the Suburban, Tahoe, etc... You know, the 6000+lb trucks turned into stationwagons with leather seats. This market segment is easily the dumbest (in my opinion). Of this market segment 5% probably actually need a vehicle like the Tahoe because they want to haul heavy loads, go offroading, etc... The other 95% are complete morons because they've bought a piece of crap truck with 1890s leaf spring suspension technology, a wobbly ladder frame construction, and fly their 3 ton pieces of garbage at high speeds down the highway. Ford and GM love these idiots becuase they've helped their companies do well in the last 10 years from the 30% - 40% profit margins they make on these vehicles. Those are the highest margins for any vehicles for any manufacturer. Like I said, build a crappy ladder-frame truck, make it into a stationwagon, put in leather seats, and charge people $40k+ for it when it cost you only $20k to make it. SCORE.
Ok, that's my SUV rant. About the Fit: I like it because it's anti-SUV and anti-US-auto-manufacturer thinking. It's small, roomy, nimble, and gets good gas mileage. It's Euro-centric meaning it's a car to get you from point A to point B. Life happens during the journey - not when someone's checkin out your rims. The Fit says I car about gas mileage and that I'm concerned about the fact that we're enriching totalitarian regimes in the Middle East by buying more and more their oil. The Fit doesn't do 0-60 in 5 seconds but I could give a crap. I use it to drive to work, around town, etc... I simply have no desire to go 0-60 in 5 seconds. The Fit does it in 9.5 and that's fine with me. Passing on the freeway requires a little planning but it's completely fine.
Furthermore, I have a German sedan that's turbocharged and pulls just 12lbs/hp compared to about double that for the Fit. So, in some sense I have the been-there-done-that attitude about speed and power.
Lastly, and MOST IMPORTANTLY!!!!!!!... chicks dig it. Chicks think I'm smart, fit, liberal, and that I love puppies and the environment. It works.
Modified by Fitfokker at 9:16 AM 5/11/2006