Stock brakes are simply insufficient...
09-04-2007, 05:01 AM
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Stock brakes are simply insufficient...
I realized after I almost smashed the rear of a big chevy truck... my brakes don't stop very well. Previously, I drove a Miata with extremely responsive brakes. I'm gonna end up killin' myself If I don't do anything about this.. lol
What do you all suggest?
What do you all suggest?
09-04-2007, 06:24 AM
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Re: Stock brakes are simply insufficient... (LSVTEC 91 Civic)
well...skunk2 had this pool on fitfreak to try and get enogh orders to start production of a rear disc conversion.cost about $680.
as more me im gonna just go with front rotors from stoptech, thyr $73 drilled and sloted. as far as brake pads, dunno, perhaps ebc???
i was wondering if you can just upgrade the rear drums? or if new rear brake shoes is all you can do ?
as more me im gonna just go with front rotors from stoptech, thyr $73 drilled and sloted. as far as brake pads, dunno, perhaps ebc???
i was wondering if you can just upgrade the rear drums? or if new rear brake shoes is all you can do ?
09-04-2007, 06:54 AM
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Re: Stock brakes are simply insufficient... (smirff07)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by smirff07 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well...skunk2 had this pool on fitfreak to try and get enogh orders to start production of a rear disc conversion.cost about $680.
as more me im gonna just go with front rotors from stoptech, thyr $73 drilled and sloted. as far as brake pads, dunno, perhaps ebc???
i was wondering if you can just upgrade the rear drums? or if new rear brake shoes is all you can do ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hmm.. I was thinking along the lines of a better front brake system, first... seeing as how that's where 80-ish% of your stopping power is (up front)
Has anybody swapped out rotors and EBC pads? I'm not really certain if it would make a big enough difference? I don't know. I wonder if Brembo plans on coming out with something nice..?
as more me im gonna just go with front rotors from stoptech, thyr $73 drilled and sloted. as far as brake pads, dunno, perhaps ebc???
i was wondering if you can just upgrade the rear drums? or if new rear brake shoes is all you can do ?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hmm.. I was thinking along the lines of a better front brake system, first... seeing as how that's where 80-ish% of your stopping power is (up front)
Has anybody swapped out rotors and EBC pads? I'm not really certain if it would make a big enough difference? I don't know. I wonder if Brembo plans on coming out with something nice..?
09-04-2007, 08:24 AM
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i have drilled/slotted rotors with hawk HPS pads. they actually dont feel much different than stock. I have always heard a OEM rotor with a good performance pad is the best setup for daily driving.
09-04-2007, 02:02 PM
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Re: (eL)
a there are a couple of rear disk conversions after that better pads and rotors all around http://www.fastbrakes.com and im pretty sure ajs http://www.aj-racing.com
09-04-2007, 02:22 PM
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Re: (uselesshuman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by uselesshuman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a there are a couple of rear disk conversions after that better pads and rotors all around http://www.fastbrakes.com and im pretty sure ajs http://www.aj-racing.com</TD></TR></TABLE>
http://fastbrakes.com/shop/pro...d=815
Very nice!
This is definitely on my to-do list..
Too bad I can't use the Wilwood setup with my 15" Mugens.. Oh well. The 11" rotor kit should suffice.
http://fastbrakes.com/shop/pro...d=815
Very nice!
This is definitely on my to-do list..
Too bad I can't use the Wilwood setup with my 15" Mugens.. Oh well. The 11" rotor kit should suffice.
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as long as you could lock up your tires which i know stock brakes could then it's probably powerful enough for daily driving. bigger rotors etc would only help the brake system endure long and repeated braking in the track and would not help much on a single emergency stop. some times bigger brakes result in longer stopping distance as there are more mass need to be slow down.
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Re: Stock brakes are simply insufficient... (LSVTEC 91 Civic)
my brakes stop great, at least compared to my 99 civic i had..yikes.. but new pads were in order in only 17000 miles....?? i drive pretty hard but i never heard of stock honda brakes being worn that fast.
09-04-2007, 08:34 PM
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Re: Stock brakes are simply insufficient... (rivergod56)
replacing your stock rear drums to disk seeing they come with stainless lines and you are not changing the brake res it will be a noticable pedal feel and you will stop much faster ive done a rear disk on my ef wich included del sol rear trailing arms power slot rotors front and rear crappy ebc greens and stainless lines all around and it will now make your eye ***** pop out your head after that get sticky tires and better suspension and that should be about all that you can do
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Re: Stock brakes are simply insufficient... (uselesshuman)
Slotted rotors, endless pad for your application of use, braided lines, brake fluid with dry temperatures at least 500F. You should be good.
Rear disc to complete the package...along with endless pads also.
Or if you want american...ebc green or hawks hps for street. You know the drill
Rear disc to complete the package...along with endless pads also.
Or if you want american...ebc green or hawks hps for street. You know the drill
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I supply Delhpi lockheed pads and rotors for the race team, brakeline is APP (Aviation performance products).The Jazz here came with rear disc already excepet for the I-dsi model.
09-05-2007, 06:27 AM
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Re: Stock brakes are simply insufficient... (Sturmmann)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sturmmann »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Slotted rotors, endless pad for your application of use, braided lines, brake fluid with dry temperatures at least 500F. You should be good.
Rear disc to complete the package...along with endless pads also.
Or if you want american...ebc green or hawks hps for street. You know the drill </TD></TR></TABLE>
How would this setup perform compared to the fastbrakes 11" rotor conversion?
Would I be better off with braided lines, good pads and rotors.. or would I be better off spending $600 for bigger front brakes? Would a 1" bigger rotor really make that much of a difference? Which option would be the best bang for the buck.
Rear disc to complete the package...along with endless pads also.
Or if you want american...ebc green or hawks hps for street. You know the drill
</TD></TR></TABLE>How would this setup perform compared to the fastbrakes 11" rotor conversion?
Would I be better off with braided lines, good pads and rotors.. or would I be better off spending $600 for bigger front brakes? Would a 1" bigger rotor really make that much of a difference? Which option would be the best bang for the buck.
09-05-2007, 10:10 AM
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Re: (LSVTEC 91 Civic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSVTEC 91 Civic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I want it to stop like my 07 Miata did... </TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Darrell »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as long as you could lock up your tires which i know stock brakes could then it's probably powerful enough for daily driving. bigger rotors etc would only help the brake system endure long and repeated braking in the track and would not help much on a single emergency stop. some times bigger brakes result in longer stopping distance as there are more mass need to be slow down. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I've never personally driven a Fit, but I too would imagine that the stock brakes are capable of activating ABS. In that case, it is indeed correct that upgrading your brakes will not reduce stopping distances. You may achieve less fade, better pedal feel, less pedal effort, etc., but when you stomp on the pedal for an emergency stop, you'll still have equal stopping distance. The only real way to significantly reduce the stopping distance itself would be to reduce overall vehicle weight, reduce wheel/tire mass, or upgrade the tires.
</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Darrell »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as long as you could lock up your tires which i know stock brakes could then it's probably powerful enough for daily driving. bigger rotors etc would only help the brake system endure long and repeated braking in the track and would not help much on a single emergency stop. some times bigger brakes result in longer stopping distance as there are more mass need to be slow down. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I've never personally driven a Fit, but I too would imagine that the stock brakes are capable of activating ABS. In that case, it is indeed correct that upgrading your brakes will not reduce stopping distances. You may achieve less fade, better pedal feel, less pedal effort, etc., but when you stomp on the pedal for an emergency stop, you'll still have equal stopping distance. The only real way to significantly reduce the stopping distance itself would be to reduce overall vehicle weight, reduce wheel/tire mass, or upgrade the tires.
09-05-2007, 01:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Padawan »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I've never personally driven a Fit, but I too would imagine that the stock brakes are capable of activating ABS. In that case, it is indeed correct that upgrading your brakes will not reduce stopping distances. You may achieve less fade, better pedal feel, less pedal effort, etc., but when you stomp on the pedal for an emergency stop, you'll still have equal stopping distance. The only real way to significantly reduce the stopping distance itself would be to reduce overall vehicle weight, reduce wheel/tire mass, or upgrade the tires. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well.. I don't want a soft pedal feel.. Basically.
I've never personally driven a Fit, but I too would imagine that the stock brakes are capable of activating ABS. In that case, it is indeed correct that upgrading your brakes will not reduce stopping distances. You may achieve less fade, better pedal feel, less pedal effort, etc., but when you stomp on the pedal for an emergency stop, you'll still have equal stopping distance. The only real way to significantly reduce the stopping distance itself would be to reduce overall vehicle weight, reduce wheel/tire mass, or upgrade the tires. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well.. I don't want a soft pedal feel.. Basically.
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Re: Stock brakes are simply insufficient... (LSVTEC 91 Civic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSVTEC 91 Civic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
How would this setup perform compared to the fastbrakes 11" rotor conversion?
Would I be better off with braided lines, good pads and rotors.. or would I be better off spending $600 for bigger front brakes? Would a 1" bigger rotor really make that much of a difference? Which option would be the best bang for the buck. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Best bang for the buck would be slot rotors, pads, lines, fluid.
Anytime when upgrading brake system, do the fronts first. Endless makes 11.1" 6 piston micro system for Fit. If you wanted to match that with fastbrakes.
But honestly...T1R rear disc is more reasonable. The fastbrakes rear 11 needs larger front or similar size to function with balance.
There is also Black Label Racing 6 piston system at JHPUSA. Caliper colors of black, bronze, and gold available. 11 or 12 inch rotor options.
BLR & Fast Brakes together cost nearly as much as the Endless Front System itself...
I have an endless 4 pot on my ej8...it is more than enough...along with powerslot plus in the rear...11.1" rotor F&R...with endless CC-R pads. It is overkill for the streets...but just what I need for the circuit.
Also you need to ask yourself...is your Fit made for street or track.
If track then by all means go all out. But street staying with oem system with upgraded rotors/pads/lines/fluid should satisfy your needs. UNLESS you are driving too fast, braking too late, OR have inadequate tires for your driving style.
How would this setup perform compared to the fastbrakes 11" rotor conversion?
Would I be better off with braided lines, good pads and rotors.. or would I be better off spending $600 for bigger front brakes? Would a 1" bigger rotor really make that much of a difference? Which option would be the best bang for the buck. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Best bang for the buck would be slot rotors, pads, lines, fluid.
Anytime when upgrading brake system, do the fronts first. Endless makes 11.1" 6 piston micro system for Fit. If you wanted to match that with fastbrakes.
But honestly...T1R rear disc is more reasonable. The fastbrakes rear 11 needs larger front or similar size to function with balance.
There is also Black Label Racing 6 piston system at JHPUSA. Caliper colors of black, bronze, and gold available. 11 or 12 inch rotor options.
BLR & Fast Brakes together cost nearly as much as the Endless Front System itself...
I have an endless 4 pot on my ej8...it is more than enough...along with powerslot plus in the rear...11.1" rotor F&R...with endless CC-R pads. It is overkill for the streets...but just what I need for the circuit.
Also you need to ask yourself...is your Fit made for street or track.
If track then by all means go all out. But street staying with oem system with upgraded rotors/pads/lines/fluid should satisfy your needs. UNLESS you are driving too fast, braking too late, OR have inadequate tires for your driving style.
09-06-2007, 02:05 PM
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My brakes stop just fine. If you're Fit can engage ABS then the brakes are enough.
I've seen several topics on here and Fitfreak.net where people have complaints about the Fit, whether it be MPG, stopping ability, road noise, among others, but I have none! I love driving the Fit. I get around 38 mpg, car drives great, and its just a joy to scoot around town in. I haven't had this much fun since I bought my first Honda 6 years ago!
I've seen several topics on here and Fitfreak.net where people have complaints about the Fit, whether it be MPG, stopping ability, road noise, among others, but I have none! I love driving the Fit. I get around 38 mpg, car drives great, and its just a joy to scoot around town in. I haven't had this much fun since I bought my first Honda 6 years ago!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by burningwrek »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My brakes stop just fine. If you're Fit can engage ABS then the brakes are enough.
I've seen several topics on here and Fitfreak.net where people have complaints about the Fit, whether it be MPG, stopping ability, road noise, among others, but I have none! I love driving the Fit. I get around 38 mpg, car drives great, and its just a joy to scoot around town in. I haven't had this much fun since I bought my first Honda 6 years ago!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well put. Thank you.
I've seen several topics on here and Fitfreak.net where people have complaints about the Fit, whether it be MPG, stopping ability, road noise, among others, but I have none! I love driving the Fit. I get around 38 mpg, car drives great, and its just a joy to scoot around town in. I haven't had this much fun since I bought my first Honda 6 years ago!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well put. Thank you.
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