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Old 08-03-2006, 03:16 PM
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all i know is that i love the fit! the car handles sooo well! i can't wait til i have my k20 motor put in to see what kind of driving this car is capable of (of course im adding full suspension as well). but damn, honda really built a fun car.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jetydosa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wheel size is limited to 8" wide in STX, 7.5" in STS.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh, yeah. You're right again. Not that it matters for this thread, but wheel width is unlimited in STU, right?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kyeguy82 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">all i know is that i love the fit! the car handles sooo well! i can't wait til i have my k20 motor put in to see what kind of driving this car is capable of (of course im adding full suspension as well). but damn, honda really built a fun car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Be careful with that. I've read some posts speculating about the lack of videos (or other evidence) of K20 Fits driving above approximately 20 mph. The Fit is already relatively nose-heavy, and a much heavier engine wouldn't help. Some people have guessed that they become nearly undriveable at higher speeds with a K20.

Also, if you autocross a Fit with a K20 swap, you'd probably be in a Modified (different from Street Modified) class. If you're simply there to have fun, you probably would. You likely wouldn't be competitive, however.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yobtah &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Be careful with that. I've read some posts speculating about the lack of videos (or other evidence) of K20 Fits driving above approximately 20 mph. The Fit is already relatively nose-heavy, and a much heavier engine wouldn't help. Some people have guessed that they become nearly undriveable at higher speeds with a K20.

Also, if you autocross a Fit with a K20 swap, you'd probably be in a Modified (different from Street Modified) class. If you're simply there to have fun, you probably would. You likely wouldn't be competitive, however.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've said that since the beginning about the Fit, I'm glad someone else agrees! Stock, the Fit with a MT carries 62% of it's weight over and ahead, of its front axle. Add another 100+ lbs. of K-Series motor and trans and you'll be dealing with numbers approaching 65%!

And, no offense to you Fit Freaks, but the Fit's chassis isn't all that sophisticated (especially out back) to handle the trade-off both literally and figuratively.

However, you would be in Street Modified, as it is a car-based Honda motor; but it would go back to what jetydosa said:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jetydosa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are always 2 ways of thinking when autoxing a car:

1- Mod the car like you want to drive it, and run in that class, and who cares if you get clobbered

2- Mod the car to be competitive in the class the car is best suited for.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've always subscribed to belief number 2. Anyone who really wants to autocross a new Fit or Civic should really consider the Stock class option only because the older cars out there have a major advantage right from the get-go regarding weight and physical size (especially height, as the Fit is almost as tall as my wife's CR-V!) over these new Honda offerings. Additionally, I firmly believe it will be an uphill, losing battle to anyone who tries to be competitive in a new Civic or Fit in STS, STX, Street Prepared or Street Modified.

Having owned and campaigned a 1993 DX Coupe for 12 years in a variety of classes, and now campaigning the new 2006 LX Couple in H Stock, I feel I am speaking fairly and in an unbiased manner because I've seen both sides of this issue.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda93 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Additionally, I firmly believe it will be an uphill, losing battle to anyone who tries to be competitive in a new Civic or Fit in STS, STX, Street Prepared or Street Modified.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep... I agree with that. I'm assuming the factory LSD would make the new Si an STX car. The forced induction cars have a huge advantage in STX until (or unless?) modifications that alter boost are disallowed. Similarly, the Fit is way underpowered for STS, and it's not really very light when compared with some top STS cars.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yobtah &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Oh, yeah. You're right again. Not that it matters for this thread, but wheel width is unlimited in STU, right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You know thats a good question, Im not sure. I checked the rulebook I have real quick (2005) and it doesnt mention STU directly (I guess since its not offically a national class yet).

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Yep... I agree with that. I'm assuming the factory LSD would make the new Si an STX car. The forced induction cars have a huge advantage in STX until (or unless?) modifications that alter boost are disallowed. Similarly, the Fit is way underpowered for STS, and it's not really very light when compared with some top STS cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yobtah &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Oh, yeah. You're right again. Not that it matters for this thread, but wheel width is unlimited in STU, right?

Be careful with that. I've read some posts speculating about the lack of videos (or other evidence) of K20 Fits driving above approximately 20 mph. The Fit is already relatively nose-heavy, and a much heavier engine wouldn't help. Some people have guessed that they become nearly undriveable at higher speeds with a K20.

Also, if you autocross a Fit with a K20 swap, you'd probably be in a Modified (different from Street Modified) class. If you're simply there to have fun, you probably would. You likely wouldn't be competitive, however.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I checked the 2006 Rulebook and couldn't find anything about wheel/tire size for STU.

I agree that a K20 swapped Fit might be be illegal for SM if it doesn't "drop" in and you have to do custom work.
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I really do not believe that the Fit would be handicaped so severly in a AutoX enviroment (due to it's weight). Especially if you remove some unecessary parts, and replace the bumpers with JDM units. The cars weight should drop down a good bit. As far as weight goes with the K20, I believe reading that it was some 50lbs lighter then a B16a. I have no idea how much the stock L15A weighs. I really hope someone steps up and makes a turbo kit for the L15, or someone releases some kind of K20A bolt in kit.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ieldib &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really do not believe that the Fit would be handicaped so severly in a AutoX enviroment (due to it's weight). Especially if you remove some unecessary parts, and replace the bumpers with JDM units. The cars weight should drop down a good bit. As far as weight goes with the K20, I believe reading that it was some 50lbs lighter then a B16a. I have no idea how much the stock L15A weighs. I really hope someone steps up and makes a turbo kit for the L15, or someone releases some kind of K20A bolt in kit. </TD></TR></TABLE>

To an extent, you're correct... Money and time will make any car fast. That's never been a problem throughout the history of the automobile. However, if you are building a car to fit a certain ruleset, you tend to look at the competition and then your own ride. At some point before a build-up, you have to ask yourself, "Will this be worth it? Will this be competitive in my class?"

Perfect example... Here's the website of reigning National champ in Street Modified, Vic Sias, where a K-series (or any swapped Honda) Fit or Civic would go. Part of the reason I decided to move back to Stock and sell my Street Mod Civic was because I'd never stand a chance against this car. In fact, not many cars do.

http://www.siastuning.com/yellodetailsMAIN.htm

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda93 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
http://www.siastuning.com/yellodetailsMAIN.htm

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Yep... that's a good example of why many people joke that "SM" really stands for "Spend More" rather than "Street Modified". Good luck modding a Fit within SM rules to compete with that!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by honda93 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To an extent, you're correct... Money and time will make any car fast. That's never been a problem throughout the history of the automobile. However, if you are building a car to fit a certain ruleset, you tend to look at the competition and then your own ride. At some point before a build-up, you have to ask yourself, "Will this be worth it? Will this be competitive in my class?"

Perfect example... Here's the website of reigning National champ in Street Modified, Vic Sias, where a K-series (or any swapped Honda) Fit or Civic would go. Part of the reason I decided to move back to Stock and sell my Street Mod Civic was because I'd never stand a chance against this car. In fact, not many cars do.

http://www.siastuning.com/yellodetailsMAIN.htm

Owning your own shop + Having deep pockets = SCCA Championships </TD></TR></TABLE>
You are entirely correct. Money wins in every scenario, not just when it comes to automotive related feats.
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Does anybody know the stock bolt pattern, wheel size, offset and center bore size?

I run a Miata in ES, which uses 14x6 wheels, with 225/50R14 V710s mounted up. I'm curious if my Miata wheels will fit the Fit. I'm seriously considering a Fit as a daily driver, so being able to swap wheels back and forth would be a huge plus for me.

Plus I'd be able to get an idea of how it could do as an HS car.
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correct me if I am wrong, but the Fit doesn't sound like a very good AutoX car. Yeah, it can be done with the right budget, and hard work. But, with the car having a higher center of gravity, wouldn't that hinder the car some? Dunno, the Fit just doesn't look like an AutoX car to me.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by neurokinetik &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anybody know the stock bolt pattern, wheel size, offset and center bore size?

I run a Miata in ES, which uses 14x6 wheels, with 225/50R14 V710s mounted up. I'm curious if my Miata wheels will fit the Fit. I'm seriously considering a Fit as a daily driver, so being able to swap wheels back and forth would be a huge plus for me.

Plus I'd be able to get an idea of how it could do as an HS car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You couldnt run the 14s on the Fit in HS.

The Fit is 15x6, 4x100, +50 or 55 I cant recall off the top of my head.

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AudioCra-Z &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">correct me if I am wrong, but the Fit doesn't sound like a very good AutoX car. Yeah, it can be done with the right budget, and hard work. But, with the car having a higher center of gravity, wouldn't that hinder the car some? Dunno, the Fit just doesn't look like an AutoX car to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think the Fit would be a GOOD autox car but not a GREAT one. I dont see Fits winning Natl Champs in HS anytime soon, but it could probably do ok on a local level.

As far as center of gravity, it sure doesnt drive like its very high, honestly. I think the gas tank and low floor help offset its relative high height vs width.
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Well, the Fit base model runs 14" steelies with P175/65 R14 81S
The fit sport runs 15" Alloys with P195/55 R15 84H.

I wish they had the info on the offset on the stock rims.

http://automobiles.honda.com/i...t.pdf &lt;-- Data Sheet for 07 USDM Fit

I did find out that the 16" upgrade wheels are 16" X 6.5" with a 55 offset. 4x100 of course. Would that mean all of the rims are 55 offset?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jetydosa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I think the Fit would be a GOOD autox car but not a GREAT one. I dont see Fits winning Natl Champs in HS anytime soon, but it could probably do ok on a local level.

As far as center of gravity, it sure doesnt drive like its very high, honestly. I think the gas tank and low floor help offset its relative high height vs width.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This man speaks the truth. Go drive a Fit if you haven't already and you'll know what he's talking about. The car feels very nimble and holds the road amazingly well. Before test driving the two that I did...I thought it would feel like it was going to tip over as well.
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Well, let me explain my reasons:

The driver does sit higher than a normal car.

Also, I am driving the Fit, and I just sold my 86 CRX with a B Series swap and 450 rear drag coils that I daily drove. In many ways, I am getting used to the sway of a normal car. I guess it was me, but it felt a bit excessive, but then again, it is stock.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jetydosa &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You couldnt run the 14s on the Fit in HS.

The Fit is 15x6, 4x100, +50 or 55 I cant recall off the top of my head.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I only care if they would fit (I know Honda typically uses a larger center bore than Mazda, and that is what I'm concerned about.) I'm not going to seriously campaign one in HS (I'd never go back to FWD for an auto-x car) , I'd just like to try it out at one event to how it could do against the Minis, just for more bench-racing fun during the off season. If I can use one of my sets of Miata wheels for snow tires in the winter, that helps me avoid having to buy a fifth set of wheels. That's what I want to know.
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Ah, we'll my best guess would be they would work, as Ive seen Civics etc with Miata wheels.

If you are in Atl area Id meet up and try it out
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I placed third out of 7 cars in HS class...stupid miatas, what the heck were they doing in HS?
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Don't know if you ever got your answer but I put a set of Miata wheels (actually OZ racing) on my Fit.

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Anyone see the new Sept '07 issue of Sports Car? "Race Cars in the Raw" (page 56) features the '07 Fit. Pretty neat!
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great review man , great thread too.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by neurokinetik &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anybody know the stock bolt pattern, wheel size, offset and center bore size?

I run a Miata in ES, which uses 14x6 wheels, with 225/50R14 V710s mounted up. I'm curious if my Miata wheels will fit the Fit. I'm seriously considering a Fit as a daily driver, so being able to swap wheels back and forth would be a huge plus for me.

Plus I'd be able to get an idea of how it could do as an HS car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you get the 14x6 BBS Miata wheels you will need to bore out the center. Those are the ones I have on my Fit.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GoFit &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I placed third out of 7 cars in HS class...stupid miatas, what the heck were they doing in HS?</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL a year later, but Miatas are either CS or ES, if they ran against you in HS you got scammed!
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