dr_latino999

<FONT SIZE="3">DISCLAIMER</FONT>: I have the distinct feeling that if this was this simple this would have been old news.

Situation
As we all know, pretty much any recent Honda 4 cylinder FWD motor can be swapped into the EF chassis without hassle, there is a mount kit for it somewhere. For some reason though, a swap consisting of a D16Z6 and it's matching S20 transmission has never passed through the minds of the major fabrication houses as a economic decision. I'm assuming that the deciding factor was that the cable transmissions could be used and that'd be it. Welcome to 2007 where the availability of cable transmission spans 4 years, and that's it. After market gears are far if few, and forget an OEM LSD. The hydraulic transmissions though came in more combinations than you could shake a stick at for 8 years, and these 8 years of production weren't at the end of the Cold War so they can still be found in abundance.

Knowns
- The S20 Transmission has different mounts than the L3 transmissions due to different chassis'. Note able differences include removal of the front cross member mount and an addition for another passenger side mount.

Solution
I think the solution has been sitting under our nose the whole time: Utilizing another set of aftermarket mounts to plug the drivetrain into our chassis. Take the following into consideration.

- When swapping a B-Series motor into an EG, only one mount (the drivers side mount bracket) has to be changed. ::REFERENCE::


- A D16Z6 and it's transmission come from a ~gasp~ EG

- Hasport offers for retail a mount kit designed for the B-Series motors with hydraulic transmissions. These are the very same motors that require just one bracket to be changed to be changed to impersonate a D16Z6 in the EG chassis.

- Well if a B-Series motor becomes a D16Z6 with the addition of one bracket, wouldn't the D16Z6 be able to "impersonate" the B-Series motor and use the B-Series Hasport mounts with another OEM / new custom bracket?

Is it true, that the only thing stopping me from my hydraulic transmission besides the pedal assembly is one bracket?


Flowchart for the Visual Learners

Suck my DX

try it

dr_latino999

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Suck my DX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">try it</TD></TR></TABLE> Well I will if my theory is sound, hence looking for opinions to see if it'll work or not.


Modified by dr_latino999 at 9:56 PM 4/27/2007

Suck my DX

gotcha...sounds like a good idea....the only issue i can seeis fabbing/finding a bracket thats gonna fit..
i had to run a 99-00 si driverside post mount in my eg to run D mounts on my B....

the only other issue i can think of is the difference in engine placment/height between the ef and eg chassis.

nix94delsol

ive got a better idea, put a k20 in it and call it good

dr_latino999

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx4life90 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive got a better idea, put a k20 in it and call it good</TD></TR></TABLE> Ya, or not.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Suck my DX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gotcha...sounds like a good idea....the only issue i can seeis fabbing/finding a bracket thats gonna fit..
i had to run a 99-00 si driverside post mount in my eg to run D mounts on my B....

the only other issue i can think of is the difference in engine placment/height between the ef and eg chassis.</TD></TR></TABLE> Making one bracket seems a lot easier than making 3 mounts. Now the engine placement and height shouldn't be a problem as with this bracket it should be another B-series motor in placement. The issue I see from this is axle placement which could screw up the whole idea.

BIGTUNA

In about 3 weeks I will be mocking up my new hydro crx, I will def have some solid answers by then.

Suck my DX

i got an extra d series upper driverside engine mounting bracket if it will help you out

CRX Toad

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Well I will if my theory is sound, hence looking for opinions to see if it'll work or not.


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You thought of it so no it won't work....

:end thread:

dr_latino999

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CRX Toad &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You thought of it so no it won't work....</TD></TR></TABLE> Usually that's the way it works. I almost picked up a hydraulic transmission for a great price this weekend but that deal fell through

ESP-net

This thinking is correct...even I haven't had the time to think of this...and I am pretty good on which mounts are compatible...

EF B series hydro trans mount should work with the D series hydro trans without any issues afterall the OEM EG D series mounts work with with the B series hydro trans...

Tippyman

But then you couldn't, say, use a Z6 tranny on an A6 motor could you? Or would you have to buy the whole ******* mount set?

ESP-net

Rear EF B series mount may be different then a D

dr_latino999

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ESP-net &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rear EF B series mount may be different then a D</TD></TR></TABLE> I'm thinking the only things that would have to be fabricated to make the D-Series work with the B-Series mount kit is the rear mount bracket and the timing belt bracket. If something could be worked out, then the world is a happier place.

sanimalp

im with you on the trying this out bit.. but do the eg mounts work in the ef? because in the past i have seen most of the d-swaps from eg to ef use the ef mounts, and not the mounts that come with the eg swap.. because of incompatibility. i havent actually done this.. so i have no idea, thats why i ask.

i kinda like the simplicity of the cable, to be 100% honest. availability is a bitch though, i agree. i will be watching this thread..

julioboostamante

good info! keep it up?

dr_latino999

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sanimalp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im with you on the trying this out bit.. but do the eg mounts work in the ef?

i kinda like the simplicity of the cable, to be 100% honest. availability is a bitch though, i agree. i will be watching this thread..
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EG mounts don't work in the EF chassis; in a nut shell I'm thinking of just "tricking" any existing mount system into treating the D16Z6 and its transmission as a B-Series motor.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by julioboostamante &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good info! keep it up? </TD></TR></TABLE> Did you get banned, what's with the new user name?

Tippyman

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I'm thinking the only things that would have to be fabricated to make the D-Series work with the B-Series mount kit is the rear mount bracket and the timing belt bracket. If something could be worked out, then the world is a happier place.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you're doing all that, couldn't you just keep the stock D mounts, and fabricate one tranny mount?

Jonathan_ED3

This seems like a lot of work to "patch" together some kind of "kit".

Just drop the thing in and modify the existing mounts to work. /done

ComeOnKip

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx4life90 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive got a better idea, put a k20 in it and call it good</TD></TR></TABLE>

thank you for your valuble input you stupid dick.

to the op, i'd mock everything up, have a D on an engine stand and measure to check your clearances, then see if it fits. I like your way of thinking tho.

julioboostamante

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by julioboostamante &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good info! keep it up? </TD></TR></TABLE>


Si i got banned lol


Funny thing, I have a buddy of mine who has a hydro trans in his car with functional MC and all. ill snap some oics soon

dr_latino999

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by julioboostamante &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Funny thing, I have a buddy of mine who has a hydro trans in his car with functional MC and all. ill snap some oics soon</TD></TR></TABLE> Pictures of said friends car would be greatly appreciated

pdotjones

subscribed for future project...

doublethink

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dr_latino999 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
EG mounts don't work in the EF chassis; in a nut shell I'm thinking of just "tricking" any existing mount system into treating the D16Z6 and its transmission as a B-Series motor. </TD></TR></TABLE>

how would you actuate the hydrolic? with the traditional adapter from hasport?

if that was in a slightly different spot would that put a damper on things?

(im not being sarcastic i just cant visualize it)

dr_latino999

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by doublethink &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

how would you actuate the hydrolic? with the traditional adapter from hasport?

if that was in a slightly different spot would that put a damper on things?

(im not being sarcastic i just cant visualize it)</TD></TR></TABLE> Nope, you'd use an after market pedal from Tilton or another manufacturer. More information can be found in this thread, which is the one that really got me thinking --&gt; https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1963482