JHMED7_B16A_Y1 LSD_hondata s300_NA_all motor
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P72 would only be beneficial to you if you wanted to retrofit a knock sensor. A P28 or any VTEC converted ECU would work fine.
Use OBD1 distributor and alternator with appropriate adapters or re-pinning.
Use OBD1 distributor and alternator with appropriate adapters or re-pinning.
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P28 or P72 makes no difference once it's chipped, with the exception of P28 not offering knock sensor or intake air bypass control (which is never used anyway).
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hmm, it's good you are refreshing the block. Some of the things listed for the engine, won't make any extra power. If you have a pretty much stock B16A, adding type R cams don't really make any more power. A type R intake manifold will actually lose power up until 7000rpm, then make maybe a couple extra hp after that to red line.Type R springs and retainers are pretty much the same thing as what the stock B16 comes with. A larger throttle body also doesn't add more than 1 or two hp.
Perhaps things about investing your money in other area's that would be more effective. Personally, i would source out a B18C bottom end for bigger CC, that would make more power all the way across the board.
Perhaps things about investing your money in other area's that would be more effective. Personally, i would source out a B18C bottom end for bigger CC, that would make more power all the way across the board.
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hmm, it's good you are refreshing the block. Some of the things listed for the engine, won't make any extra power. If you have a pretty much stock B16A, adding type R cams don't really make any more power. A type R intake manifold will actually lose power up until 7000rpm, then make maybe a couple extra hp after that to red line.Type R springs and retainers are pretty much the same thing as what the stock B16 comes with. A larger throttle body also doesn't add more than 1 or two hp.
Type R style intake will not lose that much power down low.
ITR has dual valve springs with different tolerances than B16, which almost every trim of that engine has single valve springs. Along with the cams it will be a well suited upgrade.
IMO his engine build makes perfect sense and will yield good results for an OEM rebuilt 1.6L.
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I know youre trying to keep it era correct, but use modern injectors. The Bosch EV14 injectors like sold by Injector nation, deatschwerks, injector dynamics, etc. are going to give you better fuel economy and a better idle quality than any old disk injector.
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Should be Hondata S300 v1, I had it on my EM1 up until earlier this year (sold the car) and Hondatas current software had no issues working with it & neither did my tuner. Of course it doesn't have as many features as v3 (bluetooth, ethanol content, etc...) it stills works just fine and I didn't have to run any additional controllers or sensors, other than a wideband O2. I can't remember which ECU it was in, I do remember it didn't have a board for the knock sensor, but we just turned that off in the tune.
They can be converted to be a vtec ecu, however I am not knowledgeable enough to know if yours has been converted or not.
They can be converted to be a vtec ecu, however I am not knowledgeable enough to know if yours has been converted or not.
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That ECU has been VTEC converted. The big mosfet (IC14) that is sort of bent downward, is what switches the VTEC solenoid.
So you are good to go. That setup will run your car well. The only reason you would want a newer version of the s300 would be to datalog additional sensors, or to support digital flex fuel sensors and serial wideband input. Other than that they work the same.
So you are good to go. That setup will run your car well. The only reason you would want a newer version of the s300 would be to datalog additional sensors, or to support digital flex fuel sensors and serial wideband input. Other than that they work the same.
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A lot of the V1’s are failing now because they rely on their own batteries that go bad with old age. If it’s still good it’ll work but eventually you will need to upgrade to a V3.
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nice. i cant say i have the extra loot hanging around to buy a new v3 and ecu at the moment. i may just roll the dice with this p06. thank you for the info! this helps. this s300 version has a built in battery on the board that eventually dies? that sounds bad. i had read up on some people running similar motor setups with a bit higher compression and had heard a few nightmares people were having tuning them. lets say i have the motor tuned and use the p06 with this old hondata version and it dies on me . is replacing in a newer s300 v3 with p72 at that time putting me back at square one with tuning or does the tune setting transfer over to the new ecu / hondata. do you save the tune and is it able to reference on other ecu / hondata hardware? this p06 looks fairly well used.
this is the stuff i have been reading thats freaking me out. sounds a bit tricky to tune and it would be nice to have as many options as needed to correct the settings. https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-mo...-ratio-717928/
this is the stuff i have been reading thats freaking me out. sounds a bit tricky to tune and it would be nice to have as many options as needed to correct the settings. https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-mo...-ratio-717928/
If you have a good tuner they shouldn't have too many issues getting your set up dialed in, I just provided my tuner with everything he requested, injector dead times, set my fuel pressure where he wanted, etc...Every tuner is a bit different.
From what I remember the tune file is based off of the smanager software (what is actually used to tune, datalog, etc...) version, not the S300 version in the ecu itself. As long as you have a copy of the latest version of your tune file you shouldn't have any issues, however there may be some more info on Hondatas website about that.
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lets say i have the motor tuned and use the p06 with this old hondata version and it dies on me . is replacing in a newer s300 v3 with p72 at that time putting me back at square one with tuning or does the tune setting transfer over to the new ecu / hondata. do you save the tune and is it able to reference on other ecu / hondata hardware? this p06 looks fairly well used.
Hondata calibrations do not do well being uploaded and downloaded between different versions of the software on different ecu's.
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