DazeMS

Well, its not really a MOD persay, but it is cheap, it works, and you can add alittle more oil to your engine. The amount of oil added might not really matter, but it still adds almost half a qt. more oil then beofre..

I use to own a probe gt and was sick of useing what i thought was the worlds smallest oil filter( its not that small but it really is when compared to others) So, I did some searching and found that a 1995 Corvette ZR1 uses the same thread size and pitch as the probe did..

Here is the funny, part.. I ran out of oil filters for my b18a1 and had a probe filter( which is a small amount bigger ) and said what the hell, lets see if it fits..
Sure enough it fit.. SOOO, it got me to thinking, if that fit, lets see if the HUGE ZR1 filter fits...

Well, sure enough , the filter CLEARS ALL SENSORS, and mates to the surface perfect.. no worries with dripping oil... In size comparison, the zr1 filter is about 3-4 times larger in volume...

I am currently running a Mobil 1 filter- Part number M1-207

This may not make any difference in some peoples Eyes, but adding about half a qt. more oil to me makes a difference, exspecially when I didnt have to modify anything, whatsoever...

Cheers..

phoenix_iii

Does the larger filter some how negatively affect oil pressure? Is it pushing more oil through more of a filter at the same time, which would 'increase' oil pressure?

DazeMS

the filter"port" is the same exact size.. Only difference is the larger filter area and volume.. I never had any oil pressure increases or drops.. As long as you fill the engine till its at its correct level, You should not see any differences in oil pressure... Neg. Or pos.

iskate2

please post a pic. you might have stumbled upon something very interesting.

89s1

larger oil filters lower oil pressure.

use the tiny little s2000 oil filter for increased psi

psi>>>>>>>>volume.

DazeMS

How do you lower the pressure just by increasing volume of oil? Thats all you are doing here which is just adding more oil..

Also, Increasing Pressure has NEG- affects.. I rather have more oil to run through my engine then more pressure..

I have run this filter for more then 5years on my probe , which has an oil pressure gauge, and it never dropped oil pressure... EVER... Also, the oil PSI for the b18a is in the same range as my v6 probe .. Also, the oil filters are around the same size stock for both cars.. So, I can not see this effecting oil pressure in anyway...

cubanrex

A bigger oil filter will not make more oil pressure, the engine from the factory has oil clearences that make the engine have a certain oil pressure, also the pump has a pressure regulator that will only let the pressure reach a certian point, so that it dose not wash away bearings or other parts in the engine!

DazeMS

^ thankyou.. Most poeple do not seem to understand that.. Also, Most of your oil gets bypassed from the filter ANYWAY, thus not creating oil pressure issues... Same instance would be adding the moroso oil pan.. Bigger volume, no pressure difference..

tkda

called a oil pressure relife valve. and its inside the block and hard to get to.

cubanrex

Right so whats the point. you should not have to change that it gose bad, all it is, is a spring and a ball bearing on the oil flow system.

tkda

just using the proper name and giving location. sorry.

Crx Jimmy

I would take pics of both of the filters showing the gasket side. do they both have the same gasket location?

apekd

the oil filters also have a bypass valve, incase it gets clogged. By putting a filter that wasnt designed for the engine, your putting adifferent valve on. the valves open at a certain PSI, throwing a bigger one on may make it open at a differnt time, meaning that the oil by-passes the filter, and when it by-passes it your really putting your engine at more of a risk. just my $.02

Eighty-Nyne

Ford and GM are notorious for using fake electronic oil pressure gauges. It's been the bane of most of ford's poorly oiled V6's and I4's.

DazeMS

^^^ My v6 is not/was not made by ford... And um.. It was not a "fake" oil pressure gauge.. Showed real time pressure readings, under throttle at idle, and everything in between.
Look close at the VC, you will see it...

As I had said before ,Oil gets bypassed from the filter most of the time, regardless of the filter.. So this really shouldnt matter at all, as SEVERAL manufacturers have performance versions of the same stock oem one and do not follow hondas factory specs to a T. For instance , Mobil 1's b18a replacement filter is larger then a honda replacement, so is fram, and so is STP, and so is Bosch. The affects of using this filter are NILL to NONE. I will be running this filter, and I am not worried at all.

The O-ring gasket surface meets up fine. The m1-207 gasket is actually bigger thus being able to seal properly... Sorry, but I do not have side by side pictures of them and I just changed the oil.. sorry.. but it seal fine, otherwise I would not use it...

Eighty-Nyne

Ford has always used mazda engines. They're butt buddies.

They still use fake electronic oil pressure gauges. Of course the reading changes when you hit the gas. You think people would believe a needle that doesn't move?

Go on any enthusiast ford or gm site and the second thing they'll tell you after change your oil, is install a mechanical oil pressure gauge.

This isn't like a new thing either lol. Pretty much every factory oil pressure gauge in history has been inaccurate. Except like, maybe on exotics.

DazeMS

^^^ dude.. I have been a member with probetalk.com since 2000.. The oil gauge is not"fake".. I had to test the gauge before I installed a new one, to make sure it was dead.. Sure enough with my pressure tester on the motor with an oil npt fitting, it failed ( the gauge that is) Installed the new one and wow, it worked... YOu sir are not familiar with the probe and referring it to other ford vehicles is just dumb.. Mazda has made several engines for ford, but guess what, ford did not make them... and you just proved my point " ford has always used mazda engines. they're butt buddies.".. Also, the gauge does not use numbers to show what "psi" but it shows a range it should be in, and that range was tested and showed to be working correctly for oil pressure. Its inaccurate, yes, but that doesnt mean its fake... Thats like calling you tach fake or your gas gauge fake, or your temp gauge fake, or your speedo fake.. ALL factory gauges have vices and are not accurate at "some point"..

lets get back on topic , PLEASE.. or do you want me to hand you more info you dont know?

bEEsKnEEs

The whole reason this thread had to go on this far was that the wording was slightly confusing: When i read "increase volume" i interpreted that as oil flow, Not total engine oil. Therefore more oil= cooler oil. Again this will not disrupt oil pressure or volume of flow.
But check out these specs from k+n: first 90 Integra for your b18a example,

HP-1004 Product Specifications
Product Style: Oil Filters
Height: 3.41 in (87 mm)
Outside Diameter: 3.14 in (80 mm)
Thread Inside Diameter: M20 x 1.5-6H
PSI Relief Valve: 11-17
Anti Drain Back Valve: Yes
Style: Canister
Weight: 0.6 lb (0.3 kg)
Product Box Length: 3.15 in (80 mm)
Product Box Width: 3.15 in (80 mm)
Product Box Height: 3.48 in (88 mm)

Now 91 ZR-1 for the bigger way awesomer filter:

HP-2007 Product Specifications
Product Style: Oil Filters
Height: 4.09 in (104 mm)
Outside Diameter: 3.65 in (93 mm)
Thread Inside Diameter: M20 x 1.5
PSI Relief Valve: 8-11
Anti Drain Back Valve: Yes
Style: Canister
Weight: 1 lb (0.5 kg)
Product Box Length: 3.81 in (97 mm)
Product Box Width: 3.81 in (97 mm)
Product Box Height: 4.1 in (104 mm)

Check out the 100% difference in psi relief and more interesting the honda thread is different in that it received a class of fit spec, or a tolerance rating. I wonder why the Chevy filter from the same manufacturer doesn't?

Here is a great site i found while doing my own research- it seems the author likes the M1-208...
http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/old_filters.shtml

DazeMS

I am having a hard time telling if your being sarcastic...

THe relief valve is still at the height of working tolerences.. 11 psi. Ill bet the mobil 1 is higher Also, the kn/s are a different size to the mobil 1 as are others.. no 2 filters aftermarket wise are the exact same..

THe thread matches the filter port fine.. I had no troubles screwing it on.. No chance of cross threading it...

also, oil volume, is just that, so how could I have meant "flow", as those are clearly 2 different things.

Volume= measurement of total area/amount in a given space
Flow= measurement of total allowable movement of said volume

"the volume of fluid that flows through a passage of any given section during a unit of time: Oil flow of the well was 500 barrels a day. "

I wasnt confused

Eighty-Nyne

I'm not being hostile.

I'm saying, since the gauge is inaccurate you wouldn't be able to tell if pressure dropped a small amount of PSI.

Ermil

Keep probulator parts on butt probes. This is full of crap info.

Did the probe filter make your 1/4 mile time better or do you feel violated?

bEEsKnEEs

I think you used the word to define itself... Obviously you haven't heard of a high volume oil pump

grog

hey Websters dictionaries do that too.
alright back on topic

DazeMS

crap info.. dont use it then.. Your kind is amusing at best...

the point is not for performance.. But sense you seem to know more I will let you be the judge.. *sarcasm*


Simply put, If you want to add more oil, this is a cheap and easy way to do so, with NO ill affects... dont like it, dont do it..

I could careless, just thought adding something to this forum would be a good idea.. I guess not, as I am starting to get sick of these type of responses...

DazeMS

I have heard of an high volume oil pump.. I have also installed them.. this thread is not even about that..