boosted_zc

ok i'm hoping this is something that is not known cause if it is i'm gonna feel like an ***, ah whatever i'm just trying to help. So anyway, anyone who has a ZC knows perfomance valvetrain is non-existant. But AH HA i have found a solution. In my never ending quest for this solution i have talked to many shops for advice and help. Most are unhelpful and some unknowledgeable.And then i stumbled upon DAVE HICKMAN RACING . These guys rule. I emailed them with my little quandry and behold..............a SOLUTION. I'm sure this has been done before so don't gimme **** about it being done, i've just never seen it done. Josh (this guy rules) is tellin me they can mod my ZC head to accomidate LS valvetrain. And performance valvetrain is made for the LS..WOOPIE!!. And there prices are pretty reasonable too. And probably the most important is there customer service, poor Josh has answered atleast 10 e-mails from me requestig all kinds of info. And he's responeded to all of them, and within 24 hours, AND with all the answers i wanted. So as soon as Josh answers my last e-mail i'm sending my head out to them. Hopefully the work is as good as everything else.I recommend these guys to everyone, they are definately gonna get some repeat business from me.

website http://www.dh-racing.com

Skitals

Why not just get an ls motor? More power and torque off the line, parts are MUCH easier to find, and price is in the same range as a ZC. Plus, you can always go LS/VTEC if you wanted.Plus, the LS is newer.

I dont know why you would get a ZC, especially if you are going to go through all that trouble. ZC is nice causes its a stright drop in... but still.

boosted_zc

Did the title say "ZC or LS which is better".....NO IT DIDN"T!!!!!! That's not the point of the post. Argh, ignorance annoys me.

Skitals

I never presented an argument that one is better then the other. Im just saying an LS motor is about the same price and there are tons of performance parts for it. If you want to build a performance motor it makes more sense to get an LS.

Turbo Powa

Yo I got a built LS head for sale. Got it from DH-Racing also. Never got to install it. If someone wants it shoot me a PM!

boosted_zc

I got my ZC 2 and a half years ago, at that time i was just getting into imorts. And at that time i wanted a swap that was easiest to install, cheap, and had decent power........BINGO a ZC. Then i blew it up, know it's built, and being assembled as i type. Should be together and in the car in the few weeks boosting 15 psi makin close to 300hp. THAT"S why a ZC.
And actually most ppl are just dense about aftermarket **** for a ZC. Not 1 aftermarket part for my car is "for a ZC". My pistons and rods = A6, my 550 injectors B18, my turbo mani= any d-series will work, etc. Wait i'm wrong, my LSD is from japan, well one thing is "for a ZC" haha. There is plenty of **** out there for ZC's ppl just need to use there heads. The only thing missing is performance valvetrain. Even Earl has posted looking for valvetrain for his ZC heads. But it doesn't exist. So i'm trying to help all of my fellow ZC user to help in there search.

12SecondLSVtec

There is a comparison from LS to ZC. If you compare the pricing you are going to pay just to get the new model LS rather then sticking with a contemporary ZC motor and building it up you will see this.. In the money you save you could complete mod a ZC to be identical to a LS motor, from valve train, to the same mods such as ported manifolds, and pulleys you will see in the LS. The lack of power is only in the Torque, and most likely if you got a ZC you are going turbo. They can be compared and the ZC is a very reliable motor with how interchangable trannies are, ect..... The ZC has the potential of being everything a LS motor is and with the proper setup it can stand proudly side by side with the LS. It's Simple Save money, get the same mods and money to HP the ZC wins hands down. People throw away ZC's because they don't see what they are capable of and for the 100's you save by not getting a LS you will be 30+ Hp at the wheels beyond the LS for the same amount of money spent.

slywfbpsi

yeah I posted earlier about needing to send your head to dh-racing to get the ls valvetrain installed in a zc. the ls motor is not the same price as stated earlier because you have to buy tranny, mounts and linkage.i f you are talking about a b18a they have the same horsepower but more torgue, and if you're talking about a b18b then that only 15 more horsepower. the 350-600 you saved by going zc can easier take over the horsepower and torgue difference. Best bang for the buck would still be the zc.

slywfbpsi

dang you beat me to the post, but yeah what he said.

Skitals

my point was that one of the major benefits of the zc is its a direct drop in without modding or fabricating anything. If you are going to go ahead and mod the head to accomodate an LS valvetrain, it defeats the whole simple factor.

Thats all... I wouldnt mind a ZC myself. If I just wanted to drop in a motor and not worry about it, I would get a ZC. If I planned on building it at all, I would probably get an LS because in that aspect, its less trouble. But you are right, this isnt a ZC vs LS post so I will drop it.

boosted_zc

I love how H-T thread veer all over the place, they never stay on the intended subject. **** i'll jump in on the LS-ZC debate. My buddy has a LS/Vtec in his delsol and it's kinda quick, but as soon as my engine is broken in i challenged him to a race without my turbo on. I'm gonna bury his little vtec ***. I kinda have a little edge, he's a stock LS/Vtec and mines fully built and i'm sending out the head monday for DH-Racing to do there magic. HMMMM reving to 9 grand.....yummmmy

wronghand

How can anyone say that the LS and the ZC are about the same price wise. The motor maybe. But you also have to consider that with the LS you will need a mount kit, tranny and axles. All that will push the LS to probably twice the cost of the ZC. Back to the original topic. I have heard of having the LS valves machined to fit the ZC. No experience with it though.

91civicDXdude

I got my LS swap, including engine, tranny, ecu, & mount kit for $550. no shipping. the cheapest place i've found online for a ZC is $525 + $200 shipping.....

Jared

I think Ef-1 makes ZC valve train, I know they make cams for them. http://www.ef-1.com/

slywfbpsi

they haven;t started making them yet, it is one of there proects that they are working on.

joey1320

Wow... I started reading about the ZC head then... *puff* everything changed!!!
Anyways thanks for the post, let me know how the setup goes with the "new" head. also what kind of a turbo setup are you runing...

I just got my stuff yesterday and I plan on doing my install next weekend...
10-11psi of boost can't wait...

boosted_zc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by joey1320 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow... I started reading about the ZC head then... *puff* everything changed!!!
Anyways thanks for the post, let me know how the setup goes with the "new" head. also what kind of a turbo setup are you runing...

I just got my stuff yesterday and I plan on doing my install next weekend...
10-11psi of boost can't wait...</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah, gotta love how no one can stay on topic. As far as turbo setup, right now i have a T3. I probably won't push that past 12psi or so, not sure how efficient it is. Once i get some money im goin Precision turbo SC34 , then it's up to 20 psi. the motors built so it can handle it. And this new head is really gonna help.

DJ_SaNdOz

what kind of pricing are we talking here? and, what's the anticipated turn around time?

azulito

I don't know how cost effective it's going to be. I was under the impression that even after you drilled out the valve guide .5mm larger for the LS valves (on the intake side) that the valves STILL needed to be modded/grinded by hand to fit properly. Which ends up being expensive. BUT I hope I am wrong! Please give us all the details like what is being swapped out. Are they re-doing the valve guides? Replacing rockers? Custom machining anything? Give us the dirty !

If any ZC guys are looking for a quick and affordable valve job and port/polish I had GREAT service from Earl Laskey. Check out his D series budget head work. Search the tech section...he's one of the moderators under "earl"

slywfbpsi

the post is under the forced induction section. But, he has never done the work on the zc head to allow for ls springs though.

RACING INTEGRATION

you used a6 pistons what compresion a6 pistons did you use??
and what compression are you getting in the zc??

E-AT_me

ummm. what year LS head? are you sure he isn't talking about an 86-89 valve train? cause, i think i've seen valve train for those years LS.. definately a d series, too..

boy, if you are talking about b series components in a d series, i'm the one who's gonna look really stupid.. hahahaa.. oh well.. i have a b16a...

not to mention, i also have HKS cams, ITB's, and an N1 ecu... all for a ZC.. it's a shame i don't have a ZC to put these oh-so-priceless parts on.. hahahahaaa.. i'm an ****..

slywfbpsi

you would have to use 11.0 compression a6 pistons to get a 9.6 in the zc, if you used 9.2 a6 compression pistons in the zc your c/r would be 7.2. cp pistons for the a6 are 11.0, so you should be just fine for n/a of f/i.

slywfbpsi

I was talking about the ls springs from a 90+ ls b18a, b18b, where have you've seen aftermarket valvesprings for the 86-89 integra?

E-AT_me

dude.. i could have sworn i've seen stuff in summit sport compact.. but now it's not there.. i dunno.. is it worth asking at http://www.g1teg.org? i think so.. to first integration i go!!! i'll be back..