Zaakro

This faq is to help people buy the right T-bar for their frontend conversion.


Myth: You can use your USDM T-bar or the EF8/9 T-Bar.

False

Fact: There is a T-bar that you don't have to modify to work with your frontend conversion.

There are two different types of T-bars that come out of Japan.


1. EF8/9 (Black one)



2. EF3/6/7 *with SiR frontends* (Red one)



The first one is the T-bar from the EF8/EF9 SiR (Black one). It is the exact same one that we use here in America and Canada.

Second T-bar is from the EF3/6/7 (Red one) with the SiR frontends on them.

The Difference:



As you can see the T-bars are not that different from each other. The EF8/9 (Black one) has the Air box grate on it and the EF3/6/7 (Red one) don't. But that doesn't matter, what really matters is which one works the best.

The measurements of the EF8/9 (Black one) are from side to side are 24 inches.



The EF3/6/7 (Red one) from side to side is also 24 inches.



From front to back(by latch) on the EF8/9 (Black one) is 2 3/4 inches.



And on the EF3/6/7 (Red one) is 3 inches







EF8/9 (Black one)



EF3/6/7 (Red one)



Hood shut

EF8/9 (Black one) The hood doesn't latch



EF3/6/7 (Red one) Hood latches



It looks like the only one that is going to work is the EF3/6/7 (Red one).

Reasons why:

Why do they make 2 different types of T-bars?

The reasons why they made two different ones is because of the B16. When they made the SiR they made the engine bay alittle bit bigger than the STD/HF/DX/Si so they can fit the b16 in without any room issues. Later on they put SiR frontends on alot of the lower models and to save money instead of using the chassis for the EF8/9 and put SOHC ZC, DOHC ZC and other lower engines in them they made the the T-bar and extended the bumper support brackets.

What to look for when buying a new T-bar:

When you are looking on EBay for a new T-bar to fit your new frontend always read the whole description.

Like this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...QrdZ1

how do you know if this is the real deal. Look at the picture and look at mine again





it could be the right one. All the seller says is "88-91 crx ef8 radiator support bracket." In this one they really don't tell you much and the seller shows one lousy picture. From what I can see is this one will not work with your conversion.

In conclusion:

There is only one T-bar you can use on your conversion and its the EF3/6/7 one. And sometimes it can be very hard to find one for sell and that works. Some times frontends you buy come with T-bars that are correct but most of the time you get the one that doesn't work or you don't get one at all. As long as you use this faq when buying a T-bar you can get the right one that works and not get scammed and end up buying the wrong one.

And if you can't get the right T-bar or its just to expensive for your blood you can also use this guide that schwanginpt made.

http://faq.ef-honda.com/index....ng=en

Thanks for reading this faq and I hope it was alot of help for some of you. If you have any questions, want to add any thing, or you want me to take more pictures E-mail me at Zaakro@msn.com or reply and I will try to keep this updated as much as I can.


-Jared

Fixed


Modified by Zaakro at 6:07 PM 1/4/2007

d357r0y

Yeah! just like mine!



BOOYAH!

SETI20

You -CAN- use your OEM USDM or EF9 bar, but you <u>will</u> need to modify it.

You will need to space it out towards the front aprox half an inch.

d16vtecx

do you have to replace radiator support whenn doing the front end conversion?

408wdy

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no

Zaakro

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SETI20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You -CAN- use your OEM USDM or EF9 bar, but you <u>will</u> need to modify it.

You will need to space it out towards the front aprox half an inch.</TD></TR></TABLE>

umm yeah i know and if you see at the bottom of the post it has a guide on how to make a USDM or EF9 one work

doublethink

fantastic and for once, accurate information about jdm t-bars.

for you.

YumVTEC

great writeup!!! this information has been stored away in the back of my brain for some time, and is somewhat common knowledge, but i'm glad someone finally took the time to document it all.

dkrex001

http://faq.ef-honda.com/index....ng=en
the link did not work

boosted.CRX

umm, I used the SiR tbar on mine and it fit perfectly after I filed the holes about 10mm's... From the looks of it now it looks like a good OEM fit.

JohnnieChimpo

Hey this is an awesome thread.

I have a request.

Can you put a normal USDM Tbar in the shots so we can compare it with the EF7 piece?

Is there any way to tell that you are buying an EF3/6/7 piece and not a USDm piece without bolting it down?

JohnnieChimpo

/\ /\ /\ What he said

Zaakro

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I dont own one but it looks almost like the ef8/9 but without the air intake vent

CRXone

nice write up

Markis.

Pictures don't work and im really looking forward to doing this front end converstion and re ups?

Zaakro

ill have it fixed by tomorrow. stupid we-todd

JohnnieChimpo

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Zaakro

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Markis. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pictures don't work and im really looking forward to doing this front end converstion and re ups?</TD></TR></TABLE>

bump for a fix

EF9 JAMS!!!

HOLY HELL GOOD AS INFORMATION....MY HOOD JUST RECENTLY FLEW UP ON ME AND SMASHED MY **** IN...

harmonator84

This is something I am going through...

So I have a 90 crx si and I am wanting the ef8 jdm conversion. What you are saying is that I can use my stock usdm tbar?

cbp_crx

you can use it, but you need to space it out the front a bit.
http://faq.ef-honda.com/index....ng=en

harmonator84

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cbp_crx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can use it, but you need to space it out the front a bit.
http://faq.ef-honda.com/index....ng=en</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks that will come in handy

jadkar

It's good to see the info on the EF6/7 tie bar is finally getting out there. For the longest time used parts suppliers were handing out mis-information regarding the EF8 tie bar. Sure it will fit (so will your USDM) but it will look like crap. I know I didn't want to "space" anything out.

Here's another thread on TJ regarding the whole conversion. It outlines as this did the difference between the EF6/7 and EF8 tie bars BUT it also talks about how to modify the JDM bumper so it will line up correctly as well.

http://www.tuner-junction.com/....html

RICE POLICE SIP

iTrader: (2)

I know this is an old thread, but can I buy just the "T bar" for, lets say an EG or Del Sol?