Carbon Sunroof plug kit for 88-91 CRX --56K Beware
10-13-2006, 08:16 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elrandeeto »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is the pice 341 set or is this a sale price , because im going to order one in a month .</TD></TR></TABLE>
That was the price 3 years ago. Since then we are in the middle of a worldwide shortage on carbon fiber so our price has gone up some. You can check our site for pricing.
That was the price 3 years ago. Since then we are in the middle of a worldwide shortage on carbon fiber so our price has gone up some. You can check our site for pricing.
10-15-2006, 12:09 AM
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I gor an ek with a power sunroof, can u make the plug for me, and how much weight will i save and will it be harder to take out the power sunroof?
10-15-2006, 01:12 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx12 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That was the price 3 years ago. Since then we are in the middle of a worldwide shortage on carbon fiber so our price has gone up some. You can check our site for pricing.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Funny how this carbon shortage has been going on for like 2 years now.
What happened to the good ol rules of supply and demand?
That was the price 3 years ago. Since then we are in the middle of a worldwide shortage on carbon fiber so our price has gone up some. You can check our site for pricing.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Funny how this carbon shortage has been going on for like 2 years now.
What happened to the good ol rules of supply and demand?
10-15-2006, 04:25 AM
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That looks very nice! Though I bought an Si because I want the sunroof 
Still looks awesome. I'll keep this in mind if I ever change my mind, even though I wont I dont relaly think my sunroof is heavy though, I've taken it off a few times and it never seemed heavy, unless you're including all the brackets and the little motor.
Still looks awesome. I'll keep this in mind if I ever change my mind, even though I wont I dont relaly think my sunroof is heavy though, I've taken it off a few times and it never seemed heavy, unless you're including all the brackets and the little motor.
10-15-2006, 08:14 AM
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Yah we have a kit for that and the weight savings are over 30 lbs. You can get one for a 96-00 civic on our site or IM me.
Yah we have a kit for that and the weight savings are over 30 lbs. You can get one for a 96-00 civic on our site or IM me.
10-15-2006, 08:31 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by djphonics »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Funny how this carbon shortage has been going on for like 2 years now. What happened to the good ol rules of supply and demand?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The first signs of the shortage started back in 2001 really. I guess I'm a bit confused by your first comment. As far as supply and demand this would be a classic case wouldn't it? I mean demand outstripped supply so it became a sellers market for the fiber manufacturers. Now thee is soo much demand there are not even enough factories to supply the worlds needs. Aftermarket automotive is one of the smallest market segments compared to aerospace and sporting goods. We aren't even on the radar to the manufacturers, LOL. Boeing has never built planes that are so loaded with carbon and other composites as they are now. I read 11% of Boeing 777 is made of composites and the new 787 will have 100% composite skin and 50% of the entire plane will be composite. Most people think its boeing and the military use it all up but sporting goods uses a HUGE amount of it.
Modified by crx12 at 11:46 PM 10/18/2006
Funny how this carbon shortage has been going on for like 2 years now.
What happened to the good ol rules of supply and demand?</TD></TR></TABLE>The first signs of the shortage started back in 2001 really. I guess I'm a bit confused by your first comment. As far as supply and demand this would be a classic case wouldn't it? I mean demand outstripped supply so it became a sellers market for the fiber manufacturers. Now thee is soo much demand there are not even enough factories to supply the worlds needs. Aftermarket automotive is one of the smallest market segments compared to aerospace and sporting goods. We aren't even on the radar to the manufacturers, LOL. Boeing has never built planes that are so loaded with carbon and other composites as they are now. I read 11% of Boeing 777 is made of composites and the new 787 will have 100% composite skin and 50% of the entire plane will be composite. Most people think its boeing and the military use it all up but sporting goods uses a HUGE amount of it.
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10-18-2006, 02:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97itypeR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not being able to use my sunroof isnt a big deal to me. i never use it cuz it lets the sun in haha i hate it honestly i do. so this would be a great thing to install :]</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yah everyone has different uses and priorities with their car. It seems like maybe half the people I hear from love ther sunroof and the other half never use it. Both valid points.
Yah everyone has different uses and priorities with their car. It seems like maybe half the people I hear from love ther sunroof and the other half never use it. Both valid points.
10-18-2006, 03:04 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx12 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The first signs of the shortage started back in 2001 really. I guess I'm a bit confused by your first comment. As far as supply and demand this would be a classic case wouldn't it? I mean demand outstripped supply so it became a sellers market for the fiber manufacturers. Now there is soo much demand there are not even enough factories to supply the worlds needs. Aftermarket automotive is one of the smallest market segments compared to aerospace and sporting goods. We aren't even on the radar to the manufacturers, LOL. Boeing has never built planes that are so loaded with carbon and other composites as they are now. I read 11% of Boeing 777 is made of composites and the new 787 will have 100% composite skin and 50% of the entire plane will be composite. Most people think its boeing and the military use it all up but sporting goods uses a HUGE amount of it.
Modified by crx12 at 11:46 PM 10/18/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>
What I meant by my comment was that usually when you have a demand spike, prices will go up for a certain amount of time, but at some point, other people will start jumping on the bandwagon to make more product (carbon fiber), thus increasing the supply and the prices will eventually fall, to some degree. This high demand, low supply, high prices event has been going on for a long time (as long as 5 years, according to you), so it is somewhat surprising that it's still really tough to get carbon. It would seem there is some money to be made in starting a factory.
Good info on the sporting goods using carbon. I didn't know that they used so much.
The first signs of the shortage started back in 2001 really. I guess I'm a bit confused by your first comment. As far as supply and demand this would be a classic case wouldn't it? I mean demand outstripped supply so it became a sellers market for the fiber manufacturers. Now there is soo much demand there are not even enough factories to supply the worlds needs. Aftermarket automotive is one of the smallest market segments compared to aerospace and sporting goods. We aren't even on the radar to the manufacturers, LOL. Boeing has never built planes that are so loaded with carbon and other composites as they are now. I read 11% of Boeing 777 is made of composites and the new 787 will have 100% composite skin and 50% of the entire plane will be composite. Most people think its boeing and the military use it all up but sporting goods uses a HUGE amount of it.
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What I meant by my comment was that usually when you have a demand spike, prices will go up for a certain amount of time, but at some point, other people will start jumping on the bandwagon to make more product (carbon fiber), thus increasing the supply and the prices will eventually fall, to some degree. This high demand, low supply, high prices event has been going on for a long time (as long as 5 years, according to you), so it is somewhat surprising that it's still really tough to get carbon. It would seem there is some money to be made in starting a factory.
Good info on the sporting goods using carbon. I didn't know that they used so much.
10-18-2006, 03:34 PM
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Ok that makes sense. The problem is unpresedented and the industry was slow to move and new factories take 2 years to come online from what I hear. There are several under construction at this time around the world. IMO all of these factories will start up and then there will be a glut of material and prices will come down again. We'll see what actually happens.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx12 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok that makes sense. The problem is unpresedented and the industry was slow to move and new factories take 2 years to come online from what I hear. There are several under construction at this time around the world. IMO all of these factories will start up and then there will be a glut of material and prices will come down again. We'll see what actually happens. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree. Let's hope that happens!
I agree. Let's hope that happens!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97itypeR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not being able to use my sunroof isnt a big deal to me. i never use it cuz it lets the sun in haha i hate it honestly i do. so this would be a great thing to install :]</TD></TR></TABLE>
Better than a rusty leaky old factory unit that lets sun and rain in
Better than a rusty leaky old factory unit that lets sun and rain in
10-25-2006, 03:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SETI20 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For that price you can also find functional carbon roofs...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why would you want a functional carbon roof anyway, the weight is in the track and frame and not really the panel itself. I've never seen these unless you are just talking about a carbon fiber panel cover in which case you loose no weight. Replace only the panel and save 5-6 pounds or remove and replace everything to loose 25lbs. Show me a link please.
If you don't care about wieght and just want to rp your sunroof then I guess it doesn't matter but I just haven't seen what you describe offered by any company lately.
Why would you want a functional carbon roof anyway, the weight is in the track and frame and not really the panel itself. I've never seen these unless you are just talking about a carbon fiber panel cover in which case you loose no weight. Replace only the panel and save 5-6 pounds or remove and replace everything to loose 25lbs. Show me a link please.
If you don't care about wieght and just want to rp your sunroof then I guess it doesn't matter but I just haven't seen what you describe offered by any company lately.
10-25-2006, 04:27 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx12 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Why would you want a functional carbon roof anyway,
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Better than a rusty leaky old factory unit that lets sun and rain in</TD></TR></TABLE>
You answered that yourself. OEM replacements are -really- expensive. And even those eventually rust.
Even tho it's just a few times a year, I like to being able to open my sunroof. Or I'd have a DX roof welded in. I don't see the gains in a plug. It's still a big hole. But to each it's own. I've heard very good things about your products, and your customers seem happy. Win/win for everyone.
...except people that want to keep using their roof.
I got mine from a company in Holland. (Where I live) They paroably have it made in some third world asian country.
I paid somewhere along the lines of $350 for mine. It needs some effort making it fit.
Anyone who is interested in spending that, can contact me.
Why would you want a functional carbon roof anyway,
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Better than a rusty leaky old factory unit that lets sun and rain in
</TD></TR></TABLE>You answered that yourself. OEM replacements are -really- expensive. And even those eventually rust.
Even tho it's just a few times a year, I like to being able to open my sunroof. Or I'd have a DX roof welded in. I don't see the gains in a plug. It's still a big hole. But to each it's own. I've heard very good things about your products, and your customers seem happy. Win/win for everyone.
...except people that want to keep using their roof.
I got mine from a company in Holland. (Where I live) They paroably have it made in some third world asian country.
I paid somewhere along the lines of $350 for mine. It needs some effort making it fit.
Anyone who is interested in spending that, can contact me.
10-25-2006, 05:18 PM
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Why would you want a functional carbon roof anyway,
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You answered that yourself. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I was speaking of the point of a functional (moveable) "carbon fiber" roof. Might as well use fiberglass and paint it the color of the car if the point is just to replace the factory unit with one that won't rust. A replacement functional roof I get for sure but you would only use cf where light weight is required.
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I don't see the gains in a plug. It's still a big hole. But to each it's own.</TD></TR></TABLE>
As far as this comment goes you loose 25 lbs from the highest point on the car. To some that is a benefit. The main intent behind our product is to loose weight for those that care about that. You are right not everyone cares and they want a factory like replacement, as you said to each their own. I only mentioned some people buy our kit because of a rusty roof. You could say what is the point of owning a Ferrari when a minivan will get you to the store. Not everyone cares about just getting to the store but some want to get there fast.
You also mentioned having a DX roof welded in if you didn't care about opening your sunroof. I would mention that to my customers but it would cost way more than our kit to do that right for the same results. Simply put our product is aimed at racers and or weekend warriors and you never use the sunroof on the track. I go back to the Ferrari analogy, it isn't supposed to get good gas mileage just to go fast and you don't buy one for good fuel economy just like you don't buy our kit if you care about opening your sunroof. No benefit to you maybe but ask any racer which they would buy, the one that reduces weight and doesn't open or the one that keeps the weight and opens. As far as shipping one of the panels you bought in Holland once you pay for shipping on top of $350 for the sunroof you'd be above $400 for sure. BTW if you have a defective track system does you replacement carbon roof replace all that or just the panel itself?
For those not in Holland I'd be willing to manufacture a sunroof skin if there were a couple of guys wanting them. All I need is a sunroof to pull a mold from and a couple of orders to make it happen.
Why would you want a functional carbon roof anyway,
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You answered that yourself. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I was speaking of the point of a functional (moveable) "carbon fiber" roof. Might as well use fiberglass and paint it the color of the car if the point is just to replace the factory unit with one that won't rust. A replacement functional roof I get for sure but you would only use cf where light weight is required.
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I don't see the gains in a plug. It's still a big hole. But to each it's own.</TD></TR></TABLE>
As far as this comment goes you loose 25 lbs from the highest point on the car. To some that is a benefit. The main intent behind our product is to loose weight for those that care about that. You are right not everyone cares and they want a factory like replacement, as you said to each their own. I only mentioned some people buy our kit because of a rusty roof. You could say what is the point of owning a Ferrari when a minivan will get you to the store. Not everyone cares about just getting to the store but some want to get there fast.
You also mentioned having a DX roof welded in if you didn't care about opening your sunroof. I would mention that to my customers but it would cost way more than our kit to do that right for the same results. Simply put our product is aimed at racers and or weekend warriors and you never use the sunroof on the track. I go back to the Ferrari analogy, it isn't supposed to get good gas mileage just to go fast and you don't buy one for good fuel economy just like you don't buy our kit if you care about opening your sunroof. No benefit to you maybe but ask any racer which they would buy, the one that reduces weight and doesn't open or the one that keeps the weight and opens. As far as shipping one of the panels you bought in Holland once you pay for shipping on top of $350 for the sunroof you'd be above $400 for sure. BTW if you have a defective track system does you replacement carbon roof replace all that or just the panel itself?
For those not in Holland I'd be willing to manufacture a sunroof skin if there were a couple of guys wanting them. All I need is a sunroof to pull a mold from and a couple of orders to make it happen.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SupraRXZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was wondering can you do what people with glass roofs did but instead of using glass roof you use carbon fiber? would it even be worth it?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sure you could but I don't think you'd have much weight reduction. I think retrofitting a stock US car would be harder than swapping glass for carbon in JDM car.
I'm sure you could but I don't think you'd have much weight reduction. I think retrofitting a stock US car would be harder than swapping glass for carbon in JDM car.
10-25-2006, 06:07 PM
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Thanks. And there you have the main (well maybe second) reason I got the CF roof. It looks good.
...no rust is good too.
And it's just the roof and the frame. No rails or any hardware.
...no rust is good too.
And it's just the roof and the frame. No rails or any hardware.
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Re: Carbon Sunroof plug kit for 88-91 CRX --56K Beware (crx12)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crx12 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just wanted to let you guys know we have a new product for your car. This plug kit will shave about 35 lbs. The kit weighs 2 lbs. Here are a few pictures of one installed on a b16 turbo crx.
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Holes Drilled using lacating tool included in the kit
Brackets mounted, notice they don't go lower than the flange
Panel bolted to the car top with countersunk machine screws and tiny nylocks, these will come in black or silver
Drive rivet, no rivet gun required, just tap the back and attach the bracket to the car
Taped off and ready to seal the gap
Black silicon applied with finger and ice cube to smooth the silicon. Silicon will not stick to the silicon
Finished with smooth seal
The sunroof plug itself is a prepreg carbon, fabric/uni panel that is glossy on both the inside and outside and UV clear coated. It fits flush with the body line and when you install the headliner you don't even see the brackets. Install time is about 2 hours and it comes with all the instructions and a template for bracket mounting.
If you haven't taken your sunroof out you will be amazed at how heavy it is. Weight is bad but weight up high is very bad. This will improve the performance of your car. The only downside is you can't open your sunroof unless you un-install. </TD></TR></TABLE>
nice writeup
Before
Holes Drilled using lacating tool included in the kit
Brackets mounted, notice they don't go lower than the flange
Panel bolted to the car top with countersunk machine screws and tiny nylocks, these will come in black or silver
Drive rivet, no rivet gun required, just tap the back and attach the bracket to the car
Taped off and ready to seal the gap
Black silicon applied with finger and ice cube to smooth the silicon. Silicon will not stick to the silicon
Finished with smooth seal
The sunroof plug itself is a prepreg carbon, fabric/uni panel that is glossy on both the inside and outside and UV clear coated. It fits flush with the body line and when you install the headliner you don't even see the brackets. Install time is about 2 hours and it comes with all the instructions and a template for bracket mounting.
If you haven't taken your sunroof out you will be amazed at how heavy it is. Weight is bad but weight up high is very bad. This will improve the performance of your car. The only downside is you can't open your sunroof unless you un-install. </TD></TR></TABLE>
nice writeup
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Re: Carbon Sunroof plug kit for 88-91 CRX --56K Beware (92integra_gs)
it looks dam good.
but how about the sun won't it affect the coloring..
few years you would have a faded CF ??
install looks very nice!!
but how about the sun won't it affect the coloring..
few years you would have a faded CF ??
install looks very nice!!
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