DEPintheCurve

Okay, so I am saving and reading up to swap a jdm b16 into my 90 CRX si next summer. I have been looking online at the prices between the b16 SiR from the 88-91 CRXs, the 92-93 Integra Xsi, and b16a SiR II 92-95. Just to give an example, www.hmotorsonline.com charges 1699.00 for the SiR 1899.00 for the Xsi and 2250.00 for the SiR II. From searching, I understand that while the Sir has 160 hp, 10.2:1 compression, obd0, the Xsi has 170 hp, 10.4:1 compression, and obd1 as well as a slight amount more torque. They both are offered with cable trannies. The SiR II comes with hydraulic tranny with same engine specs as the Xsi, but it is obd2 correct?? I will also have tp purchase a cable to hydro tranny kit which hmotors has for 400.

So, my question. My marine scholarship will alot me rougly 4000 if I save it and do not waste it on food. Granted, I go to a miltary college, so that is easier to do. I am set on doing a b16 swap because I am completely new to DOHC, and this is the one I had my eye on from the beginning. Would it be worthwhile to pay the extra for the SiR II? If not, I am thinking the Xsi... Any input is greatly appreciated...

BSeriesRescueteam

I'd save my money and buy the SiR I conversion. That's what i would do if i were in your shoes. If not the SiR I then XSi. I mean what's a few hundred bucks more for 10 more HP and a bit more torque. The SiR II just seems like it's alot more when essentially it's the same thing you're buying if it were just a SiR I. All 3 motors have huge potential, but if you've only got 4 grand, i'd buy the SiR I and put the rest of the money into building the motor or forced induction. I guess what i'm trying to say is, buy the 88-91 motor and you'll have abit left on building it up. Buy something more expensive for no reason...less money for a build up on the motor.

Charlie Moua

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just get the cheapest b16a1 with cable tranny.
save the rest of the money for new TB. WP, vtec sol gasket, valve cover gaskets, random seals to replace, probably need new tps, shiftlinkage, mounts, new clutch, oil, filter, intake, test pipe/welding.... just installing it properly will be a decent amount of money.


Charlie

BSeriesRescueteam

Word.

sh!ft

which ever one you get be sure to get the one with the biggest vtak solonoid. those things hit HARD from what heard/seen/experienced

CRX Toad

If your car runs and drive fine as is...save your money. Make a downpayment on a house or something worth while.

SOHCinWA

You would be better off building your D engine.. The D will always make more hp & tq than a b16.... If you are doing it just to say that you have a "Swap", save your money and buy a b18 of some sort. The b16 is not worth it IMO..... I have never lost to a b16 swapped car in the last 3 years with my little 1.5L Single Cam.

.Manny.

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hahahahahahahahah you're kidding, right????

To the OP: What are your goals for the car? a B16 isnt all that great man. IMHO

Deetz

If you do decide to go with a B16A swap, the best one imo is:

the 91-92 jdm Integra xsi swap.....why?

It's a 2nd gen 170hp version, and runs OBDI electronics with OBDI PR3 ecu
The tranny is the best of the bunch...the YS1, some even had the lsd option, plus they has the best gearing, and were least known for grinding problems

Other advantages:

- larger throttle body
- better intake manifold design
- better cams
- higher compression pistons

Red_ED8

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X2
If your going to swap then go b18. I would rather do a mini me instead of buying mounts and etc to swap a b16. And bigger solenoid = harder vtec lol, I haven't heard that in a while. Wrong, but funny lol.

MHDesigns

I would have to agree with SOHCinWA about the b18. I personally run an ls/vtec and Im flying past the b16's of a similar build.. I guess what im saying is, Do you want to be the guy who just spent 1600 and got left in the dust or the guy who did his research and doesn't feel regret about his purchase?

SOHCinWA

I have less than $1700 in my 1.5l SOHC and its running 13's.. I really dont think anyone can say that who has a b16 unless they stole it or was given to him...

Red_ED8

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I guess if I had to choose I would do the xsi integra swap for the same reasons stated earlier. When it was still running I raced my buddies 89 civic (stock b16) in my BONE stock 91 si crx (azenis rt615 tires only) and he barely even passed me. Barely.

johnnyonth3spot

The man asked what b16 swap to go with not b18 motor or d-series moter

I dont think we all have the opportunity to be sponsered buy Bisimoto, you have to sink a lot of money in a d to make that kind of power going na that is.

2x

BoostedZC

X2 lol i have hear the same thing !! hahaha one of the best things if heard in a while!

SOHCinWA

Hey Johnny. I have less than $1700 retail cost into my little 1.5L 13 second sedan..... So without stealing and getting a b16 swap, it woould cost a lot more than that with a b16 to run those times...

And you need to learn how to spell MOTOR. Not moter... You should have gone to school.

I was just trying to save the guy some money. Instead of waste it on something that wont get him "FAST"

DEPintheCurve

I have been leaning toward the Xsi. Big reason being I converted to obd1 when I did my mini-me, and because of it being 2nd generation. Thanks for the input.

As for the D-series, I DO plan on keep the D-series. I want another ef once I graduate. I will not be worried about a house, as the Marine Corps will house me until I change my mind. Obviously, I will be saving towards a house and investing, but the money I receive during the next school year is a spending stipend, meant to be spent. I just plan on saving it for something a little more worthwhile. Honestly, if you could spend 4000 on junk food or an engine, which would you choose?

chivid

everybody has different choices. if the guy wants a B16 let him have it. nothing wrong with D-series is just ppl want something different. i personally have a ZC sohc and its a great motor but one day ill get my B20 running but ill still have that sohc since i got a REx and Civic. since B16 are torqueless wonders i would boost it up at 8 psi for an Daily Driver.

Charlie Moua

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Honestly.... most guys I know who have(or had) B16a as their first swap say the #1 reason why they got it was because it was the cheapest dohc vtec motor. They didn't even concider the b20 or a z6/w8 and possible choice.

I'm still telling my kid bro (he's 25) to go with a b20 vs b16 stock for stock. But he doesn't get it. I told him I could "custom mount" a b16 valve cover over his B20 valve cover just to make him happy.


But for real, B16a with h-i-e dyno at 125-130whp & 100-105tq all day long.

If your just going to get stock motor and stay under 130-140whp this would be my choice of order(spending less than $1600):

a) low milage jdm b20z
B16 tranny (*** a must ****)
header
intake
exhaust
fpr = will dyno +135whp/135tq
OR add Crower 62403 cams with cam gears = 150-155whp (close to stock gsr power)

b) keep your d16a6 (or swap for z6 or y8)
mild pp head
skunk2 IM
B series tb
exospeed cam
header
d16a1 pistons
shorter final drive (very important if you want to go fast with any d series)
obd 1 coversion + crome = 135whp & 120tq ...very very respectable setup.

fishinfool88

Biggest vtec solenoid? Retard!!!! Try boosted B16 in the 12's RHMT style. Involves junkyard hopping and slight effort. And I'd like to see a 1.5 Single running 13's without crazy boost. Pics/Vids or it isn't true. I'd just buy the cheap one, and not waste any money on an all motor b16. Put it towards a junkyard turbo setup and blow past anyone claiming their N/A D is fast on the cheap.

SOHCinWA

You are so misinformed... Here is just one video. And might I add that we short shifted by about 1200 rpm on this run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U5Fic_dNjo

And to be honest. I dont have to prove anything to some clown on HT.

SIred91

I love your sedan and what you can do with a D, but please show me this "handful of 200+ whp NA D series" cars you have talked about.

ExospeedAMcrx

Don't forget we do some mean cams for the B18A/B-B20 as well. It may not have VTEC, but the powerband kicks in like a VTEC at around 4K with these wilder cams.
2.0L block, drop in some cams, get decent bolt ons, you'll have more torque and useable HP than a b16.

SIred91

DIng ding ding ^

ExospeedAMcrx

B20 long block $600. B16 Transmission and new performance clutch $600. Swap mounts $350. ECU, new plug wires, etc $300. New Performance Header $600 New Intake system $100. AEM Cam gear $220. Exospeed Stage 3 B20/LS cam grind $220

I guarantee that B20 setup right there will be faster than a stock B16, more fun to drive, and you are already ahead of the game with better upgraded parts.