Aluminum strut bars vs carbon fiber
02-09-2005, 02:06 PM
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Aluminum strut bars vs carbon fiber
Which would be better? I am thinking the aluminum would be stronger and last longer than a carbon fiber one...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...33591
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...33591
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...33591
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...33591
02-09-2005, 02:48 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HamiltonRex »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">carbon fiber is stronger. Carbon fiber is stronger then steel 
They use it for driveshafts on 800HP+ V8's thats enough to make me trust it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
whoah, thats an ignorant overstatement. carbon fiber is NOT stronger than steel. its a composite and is very different than metal. carbon fiber strength is only in its weave, not in any other direction. very apples and oranges. please dont ever repeat this dumb statement again.
im just doubting they even used REAL carbon fiber to make that strut bar. if properly made, the advantage is weight. my neuspeed bar is made of aluminum, and pretty damn light as it is. there wouldnt be any advantage if it was any lighter.
They use it for driveshafts on 800HP+ V8's thats enough to make me trust it.</TD></TR></TABLE>whoah, thats an ignorant overstatement. carbon fiber is NOT stronger than steel. its a composite and is very different than metal. carbon fiber strength is only in its weave, not in any other direction. very apples and oranges. please dont ever repeat this dumb statement again.
im just doubting they even used REAL carbon fiber to make that strut bar. if properly made, the advantage is weight. my neuspeed bar is made of aluminum, and pretty damn light as it is. there wouldnt be any advantage if it was any lighter.
02-09-2005, 02:51 PM
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Yea its prolly like those "carbon fiber" shift *****, its really an aluminum cylinder with a sleeve of carbon fiber slipped over it.
Wow that CF bar in the pic looks sooo fake.
Wow that CF bar in the pic looks sooo fake.
02-09-2005, 03:11 PM
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Re: (fourthgenhatchB17)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HamiltonRex »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">carbon fiber is stronger. Carbon fiber is stronger then steel They use it for driveshafts on 800HP+ V8's thats enough to make me trust it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think there was a little bit of sarcasim in this post?
I think there was a little bit of sarcasim in this post?
02-09-2005, 03:49 PM
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plus look at those brackets, thin mild steel and poor design. i have a friend with ebay strut bars with the same brackets, and they just bend over if you take a corner hard.
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02-09-2005, 04:27 PM
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Re: Aluminum strut bars vs carbon fiber (whole9)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by whole9 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Which would be better?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Steel. And without any of those retarded joints like the eBay bars have . . . how rigid can those things be?
Look for something like the Neuspeed bar instead.
That carbon fiber one isn't even real carbon fiber anyway. You can tell by the picture that it is just a sticker with a faux CF pattern.
Better yet, waste your money on something more active and useful than chassis bracing.
Steel. And without any of those retarded joints like the eBay bars have . . . how rigid can those things be?
Look for something like the Neuspeed bar instead.That carbon fiber one isn't even real carbon fiber anyway. You can tell by the picture that it is just a sticker with a faux CF pattern.
Better yet, waste your money on something more active and useful than chassis bracing.
02-09-2005, 04:38 PM
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Re: (Tyson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
if properly made, the advantage is weight. my neuspeed bar is made of aluminum, and pretty damn light as it is. there wouldnt be any advantage if it was any lighter.
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This statement is not entirely true. The whole idea behind tying the strut towers together is to increase chassis rigidity. Deflection is you enemy and carbon fiber does an amazingly good job at resisting deflection. I would look at the links connecting the bar to the mounting flange more than the material of the bar. Using those types of connections do nothing to limit the towers from parallelagraming.
if properly made, the advantage is weight. my neuspeed bar is made of aluminum, and pretty damn light as it is. there wouldnt be any advantage if it was any lighter.
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This statement is not entirely true. The whole idea behind tying the strut towers together is to increase chassis rigidity. Deflection is you enemy and carbon fiber does an amazingly good job at resisting deflection. I would look at the links connecting the bar to the mounting flange more than the material of the bar. Using those types of connections do nothing to limit the towers from parallelagraming.
02-09-2005, 05:43 PM
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If people aren't going to take posts serious then they shouldn't be on
Honda-TECH.com. That's like saying, "yea-man, go ahead a boost that little 4 cylinder on up to 'bout 12 psi, you don't need any more fuel or any thing like that, hell you don't even need a BOV on YOUR turbo set up." " That little honda of yours should be makin' 'bout 900whp." "****, it could be 'bout 1100whp, but we won't know till we get that bitch on the dyno tomorrow!" *** Dyno!!!!! People don't go to a TECH sight for a whole bunch of "I THINK". Well, most of us don't. Most people want answers that are facts. They want to know the technical answers, that's why they ask the technical questions. Aluminum vs Carbon Fiber is pretty technical if you ask me. I'm sorry if I'm getting in any body's feelings here, but if I ask you what 2+2 is. I would expect you to tell me 4, not I THINK it's 4.
Honda-TECH.com. That's like saying, "yea-man, go ahead a boost that little 4 cylinder on up to 'bout 12 psi, you don't need any more fuel or any thing like that, hell you don't even need a BOV on YOUR turbo set up." " That little honda of yours should be makin' 'bout 900whp." "****, it could be 'bout 1100whp, but we won't know till we get that bitch on the dyno tomorrow!" *** Dyno!!!!! People don't go to a TECH sight for a whole bunch of "I THINK". Well, most of us don't. Most people want answers that are facts. They want to know the technical answers, that's why they ask the technical questions. Aluminum vs Carbon Fiber is pretty technical if you ask me. I'm sorry if I'm getting in any body's feelings here, but if I ask you what 2+2 is. I would expect you to tell me 4, not I THINK it's 4.
02-09-2005, 05:49 PM
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Re: (Tyson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
carbon fiber is NOT stronger than steel. please dont ever repeat this dumb statement again.
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YES it is... Weight VS Weight CF is stronger...
Carbon fiber is stronger then steel in certain applications.. Torsion being one.. Driveshafts are a prime example.
carbon fiber is NOT stronger than steel. please dont ever repeat this dumb statement again.
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YES it is... Weight VS Weight CF is stronger...
Carbon fiber is stronger then steel in certain applications.. Torsion being one.. Driveshafts are a prime example.
02-09-2005, 06:14 PM
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With carbon it greatly depends on the lay-up. You have to mix the different fibre correctly and lay it correctly to get it to do it what you want it to do, and I wouldn't trust any ebay bar to have done that, assuming it was real carbon. Torsionally, it is amazingly strong, but not the most impact resistance.
Just to give another example, I'm sure some of you have ridden mountian bikes before. Giant, among others, makes a Carbon Hardtail race bike with a lifetime warrenty. They say that it will take a harder impact than your aluminum frame would (I spent time talking to them about it when we first got the info on it), and if you do wrap it around a tree, err, shatter it on a tree, they send you a new one.
Just to give another example, I'm sure some of you have ridden mountian bikes before. Giant, among others, makes a Carbon Hardtail race bike with a lifetime warrenty. They say that it will take a harder impact than your aluminum frame would (I spent time talking to them about it when we first got the info on it), and if you do wrap it around a tree, err, shatter it on a tree, they send you a new one.
02-09-2005, 06:18 PM
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Sorry for the double but I just looked at the advertised bar and couldn't help but laughing. I'd like to buy one so I could sue for false advertising when he refuses to give my money back.
02-09-2005, 06:56 PM
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CF VS. ALuminum ebay strut bar!
the link that was given via EBAY, the carbon is fake and it's actually aluminum, and the other one is a real deal made MEGAN racing! if only if the carbon is real it'll stand out for looks and lightweight! 
02-10-2005, 05:02 AM
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Re: CF VS. ALuminum ebay strut bar! (zerogravitycrx)
i was using son cheap strut brace like the one you look on ebay, and i have broke them in front and rear!
just where it bolt in the car have bend like \ /
its too tinny to handle hard driving
and im pretty sure they is no carbon fiber in this carbone fiber strut brace!
i would only trust something who look like this one
no more megan racing, ractive, vibrant or this kind of strut brace that just look like usefull but are useless!
just where it bolt in the car have bend like \ /
its too tinny to handle hard driving
and im pretty sure they is no carbon fiber in this carbone fiber strut brace!
i would only trust something who look like this one
no more megan racing, ractive, vibrant or this kind of strut brace that just look like usefull but are useless!
02-10-2005, 05:34 AM
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Re: Aluminum strut bars vs carbon fiber (whole9)
the only thing i dont like about Neuspeed is the bar is not adjustable for loose or stiffness. i rather waste my money on Autopower rollbar with a frotn cage welded.
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http://www.kenskustomchassis.c...s.htm
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Modified by PaImportTuner at 9:45 AM 2/10/2005
02-10-2005, 05:37 AM
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Re: Aluminum strut bars vs carbon fiber (PaImportTuner)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PaImportTuner »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the only thing i dont like about Neuspeed is the bar is not adjustable for loose or stiffness.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Umm, there is no point in "adjusting" chassis bracing. You install it, and it stays rigid. The end.
Umm, there is no point in "adjusting" chassis bracing. You install it, and it stays rigid. The end.
02-10-2005, 05:48 AM
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Re: Aluminum strut bars vs carbon fiber (Targa250R)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Umm, there is no point in "adjusting" chassis bracing. You install it, and it stays rigid. The end.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i was being an *** in the first sentence.
Neuspeed bar is worth **** but bling when you have a cage. and even without a cage you really dont even need one really. go out to get a steelbar from junkayrd or your local scrap and take to muffler shop cut to fit and have tabs welded at each end and you got a more sturdy then neuspeed bar. it wont make that much of a difference.
i was being an *** in the first sentence.
Neuspeed bar is worth **** but bling when you have a cage. and even without a cage you really dont even need one really. go out to get a steelbar from junkayrd or your local scrap and take to muffler shop cut to fit and have tabs welded at each end and you got a more sturdy then neuspeed bar. it wont make that much of a difference.
02-10-2005, 06:08 AM
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Re: (HamiltonRex)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HamiltonRex »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">carbon fiber is stronger. Carbon fiber is stronger then steel They use it for driveshafts on 800HP+ V8's thats enough to make me trust it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lol
They use it for driveshafts on 800HP+ V8's thats enough to make me trust it.</TD></TR></TABLE>lol
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