RobbyFisher

Thank you. A list like the one you gave me is all I've really needed this entire time. Not to be re-directed to elsewhere on the forum. I wouldn't even have made an account if I wanted to search everywhere for the info I needed. I mean I searched for basic swap information, and didn't find much that was of any relevance. I guess the FAQ would've been a good place to start... And believe me, if I could afford an STi, I would have one. And I'm not a fan of American cars, so a Dodge is completely out of the question. Now, if I buy all of those things, I can say "here you go, this should be everything you need." And a week or so later, I can go pick up my little rice-rocket, and pay for the job.

Spug

That will definitely not be everything you need, but it's a good start.

If you have time, you could certainly take 2 minutes to simply search this site for a detailed guide on swapping a B series into the ED/EF chassis. I'd give you a link to the thread that has a title very close to being a detailed guide to swapping a B series into an EF, but I'm too busy.

Freemananana

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https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-crx-ef-civic-1988-1991-3/b-series-swap-3162073/

That's my write up I did. Tons of other people have more pictures, but I didn't have time to upload 200 photos and post them so I just typed out what I could.

This is just stupid. Plain ridiculous. Not ready for the Honda game. Ha! The whole 'built not bought' thing is stupid.

You're plenty ready for the game. Look at a couple of the quality builds on here. They all have a painter, an engine builder, a tuner, ect. All they do is take stuff they bought and install it in the car. Hardly anyone does all the work themselves. And no one here is building anything. They are assembling pre-engineered pieces.

The swap is easy. There is a site dedicated to EF hondas made by Ben O. He is the same guy who made BRE and he has tons of information out there. Google is your friend. There is no way you are too busy to spend 15 minutes reading and searching, but you have plenty of time to spend hours installing, rewiring, troubleshooting, repairing, ect on a car.

Didly

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My point is if he isn't even ready to do a simple search whether it be here or google, then he's NOT ready to modify a car..
Especially if he wants someone else who doesn't know anything about Hondas to do the work..
The only people with swapped Hondas that know NOTHING are the people who take there car to some (insert cool jdm shop name here) and say hey I want a mad tyte type R motor.
And shell out a **** ton of money.
Or the people who buy a car that already had a swap..

You also see that he doesn't want to search at all right? Yet you are referring him to other sites
He's not going to search for it himself.

How is "built not bought" stupid?
Because if a sheep wants a fast car then said sheep can go buy a fast car.
I take pride in the fact that I can do almost anything to my car myself.
I have little respect for people who want to have a fast car because it's cool, and know nothing about cars.. If you don't respect the time, effort and sweat that was put into your own car.. You are just going to go out and wreck it again.
"Cool car man, what size turbo are you running, what size injectors?"
"Oh I don't know, my dad built it for me"
Don't get me wrong my dad helped me with my first swap.
But I told him everything he needed to do down to the last wire..
I have swapped every motor since with out him.

bairdandrew77

That's definitely true. Most people go into shops asking for a B18c type r swap or wants type r pistons in their stock LS, just because they think they suddenly know everything about Hondas simply by saying "type r" in a sentence. Then they look at my old H swapped Accord and ask if I got a B16 in there, or ask if a V6 is a B20. I wasn't exaggerating any of that.

OP. If you want a cheap and relatively easy swap, I'd suggest any B series engine. There's a surprising amount of different types, so just do your own research and pick the best for you (Wikipedia "Honda B series). The LS b18 is going to be the cheapest and came in almost every Integra. Or even a D16a6/D16z6/ZC. I'm not a fan of D series and would definitely prefer a B though.
And one more thing. Your original post said it's not the HF and definitely not the Si, so I'm guessing it's the DX model. If so, you need to convert from DPFI to MPFI. Just type something like "dpfi to mpfi conversion" into google and you can find step by step instructions. Take your time and don't half *** any wiring, or you'll hate yourself and your car!

RobbyFisher

Thanks, I Bookmarked that write up to refer back to it. It seems very thorough, and informative.

RobbyFisher

I've already spent time searching for what I need to know, as my first post said. But what I found had more info than what I needed, so it wasn't specific enough. I don't care about the whole built not bought thing, either. And much less about getting respect from other Honda drivers. It's not like some exclusive club where I have to prove myself or anything. Nor is working on a foreign car rocket science to someone who's worked on cars their whole life, anyone with automotive mechanic experience should be able to modify and tune any car. Especially with instructions just in case they come across something they're not familiar with. There's also nothing wrong with someone like me going and overpaying a shop to do the work. If they're willing to pay extra in place of doing research, who really cares? It's their choice.

Vtecpowaaaahhhh

I think u should look into a high comp pump has b20 vtec. Now I'm going to run that set up in my ef as soon as I find a block to build off of and they are pretty torquey. Lucky I have a few buddy's who have been giving me advice. If I were u tho I'd def do some more research to see wat would fit your wants and needs

Freemananana

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Knowing nothing doesn't mean he isn't ready though. I did my first Honda motor swap knowing absolutely nothing about Hondas.

I just want people to quit being so angry on this forum. Let him ask his question and give an answer without it being the end of the world.

OP, if you are thinking of a B20 swap, think about a F20B swap. Way more HP, same torque, factory built, and about the same price.

Spug

You fail to see what makes everyone irritated.

It's not a person that knows nothing that irritates people, it's a person that knows nothing that wants to be spoon fed and refuses to put any effort into something.

The purpose of these sites is not to be spoon fed to simply get an answer, it's to LEARN, and that simply doesn't happen without effort.

Didly

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Couldn't have said it any better man.
We all started knowing nothing.. But he doesn't want to learn, can't you read?
He just wants his dad to do all the work..
There are so any threads that will make this swap easy. He doesn't want to search.
There are so many people willing to help,
But, like the saying goes
"You can't help someone, who doesn't want to help themselves.

FG2/EF8

What can you tell me about a F20B in a 89 crx si, im set on doing it but i have looked all over the place and haven't found a proper guide or list of parts that are required

1991_crxsi

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It is exactly the same as an H2b swap. Really, for the money, just get an H23A blue top and got H2B… It makes a considerable amount more TQ and HP. It will probably only cost you $200 more if anything at all. When comparing the 2 engines, the F20 makes little sense unless you just like to rev high and like the novelty of it. Granted, they really are great engines and have their appeal.

Freemananana

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If you can find a blue top H23 go for it. It does have better numbers than the F20B. I had forgotten the exact numbers, but I thought the F20B had more power than the H23.

On a similar note, I've seen B20VTEC motors push 200 who easily. Not sure where that comes in price wise.

1991_crxsi

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The F20B does have better numbers than the H23 non-vtec. The H23A Blue top vtec can make 20+ more WHP than the F20B with the same mods on a stock long block. Plus the power band is WAY fatter.

Freemananana

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Yup, the VTEC vs non-VTEC is where I got mixed up. But then again, I thought the F20B still responded better to bolt ons than the H23 VTEC? They are, honestly, about the same. It's not a huge difference (I know it's the difference between a GSR and B16A). Either way, you'll be happy with it. I'm assuming the H23 will be about 20 lbs heavier due to displacement and the H-series are known to be hefty motors. I know squat about F-series weights though.

The H23 makes more torque faster than the F20B. So for NA/all motor, it is probably going to be a bit faster.

1991_crxsi

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It really is a pretty substantial difference (about 20-25 WHP and 10-40 TQ that comes on earlier where you need it most and stays); they are not about the same. The F20B certainly does not respond better to bolt-ons than the H23A Vtec. And yes, the F20B will get you down the 1/4 a lot slower than the H23A Vtec.