1990 Honda CRX Si Restoration/Time Attack Build
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1990 Honda CRX Si Restoration/Time Attack Build #AWDCRX
Ok, this will take a while lol
:Slight history on the car:
Originally from Scottsdale AZ, bought the car from a girl who broke her foot and needed money for medical bills, she didn't know it was an Si. I paid 2,000 for the car with 154k miles, all original.
:Long story short:
I was cruising down the highway coming back from a camping trip, chasing this chopper going about 110-120 for a while, he got off the highway, I waved at him and then shortly after that I threw a rod. POOF.
Went and picked up the car, towed it home and started to strip it down and pull the motor.
:Build for the car:
:Engine:
LSVtec B18
Bored 81.25 and cross hatch
Fresh P30 pistons
Balanced and sonic cleaned crankshaft
GSR Oil Pump
GSR Waterpump
GSR Timing Belt
GSR Dizzy
GSR P72 head refreshed within 10k miles
GSR Cams
Skunk 2 Cam Gears
ARP Head Studs
Mild Port and Polish
engine work done at Champion Performance, LLC. in Centerline, Mi
:Electrical:
OBD1 engine harness
OBD1 P72 ECU
OBD1 GSR Cluster
OBD1 GSR Cabin Harness
Custom Battery Box inside the rear hatch area
:Trans/Driveline:
Honda CRV AWD 5-Speed Trans
Honda Civic Wagon Driveline with Viscous Coupler
Honda Civic Wagon Rear Differential
Honda Civic Wagon Rear Subframe
Honda Civic Rear Trailing Arms and Hubs
:Suspension:
Koni Yellow Shocks
Ground Control Coilovers
All new Energy Bushings *all of em*
:Wheels:
15 Inch Integra LS Mesh Wheels
195/50/15 Direzza ZII
:Brakes:
Fastbrakes Adatper
11.1 inch Rotors
Integra Calipers
Stainless Brake Lines
:Fuel:
Fuel Cell located inside the rear hatch area
Dual Walbro 255's
Dual High Flow Fuel Filters
:Body:
New Rear Wheel Arches
New Rocker Panels
New OEM Rio Red Paint inside, outside and engine bay
New Seals *everywhere*
:Current Progress:
Right now I've got everything removed except for the steering, brake lines, and suspension.
The doors, hood, rear hatch, all of the glass, gas tank/filler neck, dash, all of the wiring removed.
Getting ready to cut out the old subframe and fab in the new
Thinking about putting in a small roll cage/bars and strengthening up the rear towers while it's all gutted out, as the CRX was not meant to have power/twisting back there. I've seen lots of different setups back there, but i don't like a lot of them. I want something minimal, but effective.
This is what i looked like the day I got it
How it looked the day I towed it home
Hole in the block
Engine Pulled
New Engine!
Once I moved it to the back garage
More teardown
Before the Dry Ice
Dry Ice mode
After the Dry Ice
No Glass or wires and what it looks like for the most part now
More Pictures to come!
I also have A LOT of dumb pictures of little things as i took apart the car, so if you need any reference pictures, let me know
I know I need a cable shifter of some sort, but haven't figured out which one I need for this.
Also I still need a GSR Throttle cable
so yea, close to double the HP, ALL OBD1 wiring, fresh paint/seals/bushings, and AWD!
In all of the homework I've done online, I haven't found anyone who has done what i'm doing to a CRX. There's a few Civics, Del Sols, and Integras, that are B-swapped and AWD but very few of them, and even fewer with build threads/info on how it's done.
I know I'm missing something..
Feel free to ask me any questions, to correct me if i'm wrong, or doing something dumb, as this is my first build/swap.
I've done a LOT of research and I'd like to think I know what I'm doing.
Any and all comments/ideas are welcome!
*note to admins, I really didn't know what section to put this in. move it if it makes sense*
:Slight history on the car:
Originally from Scottsdale AZ, bought the car from a girl who broke her foot and needed money for medical bills, she didn't know it was an Si. I paid 2,000 for the car with 154k miles, all original.
:Long story short:
I was cruising down the highway coming back from a camping trip, chasing this chopper going about 110-120 for a while, he got off the highway, I waved at him and then shortly after that I threw a rod. POOF.
Went and picked up the car, towed it home and started to strip it down and pull the motor.
:Build for the car:
:Engine:
LSVtec B18
Bored 81.25 and cross hatch
Fresh P30 pistons
Balanced and sonic cleaned crankshaft
GSR Oil Pump
GSR Waterpump
GSR Timing Belt
GSR Dizzy
GSR P72 head refreshed within 10k miles
GSR Cams
Skunk 2 Cam Gears
ARP Head Studs
Mild Port and Polish
engine work done at Champion Performance, LLC. in Centerline, Mi
:Electrical:
OBD1 engine harness
OBD1 P72 ECU
OBD1 GSR Cluster
OBD1 GSR Cabin Harness
Custom Battery Box inside the rear hatch area
:Trans/Driveline:
Honda CRV AWD 5-Speed Trans
Honda Civic Wagon Driveline with Viscous Coupler
Honda Civic Wagon Rear Differential
Honda Civic Wagon Rear Subframe
Honda Civic Rear Trailing Arms and Hubs
:Suspension:
Koni Yellow Shocks
Ground Control Coilovers
All new Energy Bushings *all of em*
:Wheels:
15 Inch Integra LS Mesh Wheels
195/50/15 Direzza ZII
:Brakes:
Fastbrakes Adatper
11.1 inch Rotors
Integra Calipers
Stainless Brake Lines
:Fuel:
Fuel Cell located inside the rear hatch area
Dual Walbro 255's
Dual High Flow Fuel Filters
:Body:
New Rear Wheel Arches
New Rocker Panels
New OEM Rio Red Paint inside, outside and engine bay
New Seals *everywhere*
:Current Progress:
Right now I've got everything removed except for the steering, brake lines, and suspension.
The doors, hood, rear hatch, all of the glass, gas tank/filler neck, dash, all of the wiring removed.
Getting ready to cut out the old subframe and fab in the new
Thinking about putting in a small roll cage/bars and strengthening up the rear towers while it's all gutted out, as the CRX was not meant to have power/twisting back there. I've seen lots of different setups back there, but i don't like a lot of them. I want something minimal, but effective.
This is what i looked like the day I got it
How it looked the day I towed it home
Hole in the block
Engine Pulled
New Engine!
Once I moved it to the back garage
More teardown
Before the Dry Ice
Dry Ice mode
After the Dry Ice
No Glass or wires and what it looks like for the most part now
More Pictures to come!
I also have A LOT of dumb pictures of little things as i took apart the car, so if you need any reference pictures, let me know
I know I need a cable shifter of some sort, but haven't figured out which one I need for this.
Also I still need a GSR Throttle cable
so yea, close to double the HP, ALL OBD1 wiring, fresh paint/seals/bushings, and AWD!
In all of the homework I've done online, I haven't found anyone who has done what i'm doing to a CRX. There's a few Civics, Del Sols, and Integras, that are B-swapped and AWD but very few of them, and even fewer with build threads/info on how it's done.
I know I'm missing something..
Feel free to ask me any questions, to correct me if i'm wrong, or doing something dumb, as this is my first build/swap.
I've done a LOT of research and I'd like to think I know what I'm doing.
Any and all comments/ideas are welcome!
*note to admins, I really didn't know what section to put this in. move it if it makes sense*
Last edited by neophish; 02-07-2015 at 04:38 PM.
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Re: 1990 Honda CRX Si Restoration/Time Attack Build
Sick build. So you are using 4wd parts and a crv tranny. If you just put a crv tranny in a 4wd wagon, does it just go in there or is there like extensive modification involved?
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Re: 1990 Honda CRX Si Restoration/Time Attack Build
i have to remove the existing rear subframe and somehow mount the wagon subframe and make room for the read diff.
so yea, B series motor+CRV AWD 5 Speed trans+Civic wagon driveline/VC+civic wagon rear diff, subframe, axels, trailing arms and hubs.
also i have to make/modify a custom exhaust header/cat/pipes to not go down the middle of the car, because the driveline will be there
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i've had more time to work on it, i've got it outside and i'm in the middle of cutting off the old rear subframe in order to make room for the civic wagon rear subframe.
pics to follow
pics to follow
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Re: 1990 Honda CRX Si Restoration/Time Attack Build
thinking of ordering a Exedy 9.5 lb flywheel with a stage-4 6-puck Exedy clutch and pressure plate
thoughts?
other ideas?
thoughts?
other ideas?
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Not bad bro but there is a ef with a single cam build awd. I think it's black one have you seen it. It's almost similar to what your doing.
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not much progress in a while, bought a 1990 Civic LX 5 speed as my DD and now it's cold here in Michigan.
Winters suck for working on cars
Winters suck for working on cars
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I would recommend against a lightened flywheel. From what I have read in the AWD forums (and the fact that it makes sense) a heavier flywheel is preferred to help get the extra rotating components (transfer shaft, driveline, and rear diff) moving from a stop. I'm sure it also helps save the clutch as the momentum of the heavier flywheel will help compensate for the extra rotating weight, and lessen the need for feathering the clutch..
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as for the flywheel, i think i'll end up going with a 12 lb chromoly flywheel, and stage 2 or 3 6 puck Exedy
right now, i'm looking for a OBD1 GSR cabin harness, so when i re-wire everything, i'll have the ECU, motor harness and GSR cluster all on the "same page" kinda thing
but the wiring is a ways down the road.
once it gets warm enough to work on, i'm going to fix all of the rust/body and start figuring out rear bracing/roll cage/rear diff/subframe stuff
it's like a big puzzle that has to line up just right, and then weld it in place lol
right now, i'm looking for a OBD1 GSR cabin harness, so when i re-wire everything, i'll have the ECU, motor harness and GSR cluster all on the "same page" kinda thing
but the wiring is a ways down the road.
once it gets warm enough to work on, i'm going to fix all of the rust/body and start figuring out rear bracing/roll cage/rear diff/subframe stuff
it's like a big puzzle that has to line up just right, and then weld it in place lol
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i agree its a big puzzle ahaha
Very nice project, cant wait to see more
i would choose a heavier flywheel too, 12 lbs sounds good
Very nice project, cant wait to see more
i would choose a heavier flywheel too, 12 lbs sounds good
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eventually i plan on matching that AWD CRV trans upto a boosted B20V, so i don't want to have to get a new clutch/flywheel/pressure plate then either
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**crazy mid-winter update**
So, it's winter here in Michigan and it's super cold. There's about 6-12 inches of snow on the ground, so that makes it hard to get out into the back garage and work on the CRX
Since i'm re-wiring my car totally OBD1 like a 94'ish GSR, i've been looking around for a cabin harness/all of the wiring from an Integra. This was the cheapest way I knew of to get ALL of the wiring that i need.
Yes, it's kinda beat up. Yes, it's a 1994 Integra LS that blown the motor and trans removed. Yes, it was only $450 bucks and about an hour from my house.
So my plan is to gut it and strip ALL of the wiring out, taking what I need for my CRX and then selling the wheels and coilovers to a friend, pulling off other random parts and then scrapping the car
(if this makes you cry, come buy it from me for "scrap value" pricing and it's yours)
Also, i'm about to order a welder and plasma cutter, and since we've wired up the back garage to have 220 power, i'm all set. I'll just have to figure out how to weld lol
I know there's an art to it, and MANY techniques, but i figure "hey, they teach high school kids how to weld, I can do it too". I'm pretty handy and my dad has been welding for a while, so i'm sure i can pick it up quick just by messing around with random scrap metal, and get the new welder dialed in.
Well, besides me learning how to weld, I plan on making my CRX fully OBD1 because i'm putting in a LSVtec motor that has a OBD1 P72 head, i'm using a OBD1 P72 ECU and also a OBD1 GSR cluster. So instead of adapting my CRX Si OBD0 harness and wiring 3 times at the engine harness plug, the ECU plug and the Cluster plug, i'll just make it all the same and more "plug and play".
I'm sure home of you hate that term, and it's really not as easy as it sounds, but i'll have more of a headstart this way, rather than keeping my OBD0 CRX Si wiring
*also, side note. Ignore my crazy brother in the pictures*
*side, side note. the last pic is my newly acquired OBD1 GSR Cluster. I'm going to roll the milage back to match the original miles on my CRX Si frame/body. it was 80 bucks shipped, in good working order and super minty.
So, it's winter here in Michigan and it's super cold. There's about 6-12 inches of snow on the ground, so that makes it hard to get out into the back garage and work on the CRX
Since i'm re-wiring my car totally OBD1 like a 94'ish GSR, i've been looking around for a cabin harness/all of the wiring from an Integra. This was the cheapest way I knew of to get ALL of the wiring that i need.
Yes, it's kinda beat up. Yes, it's a 1994 Integra LS that blown the motor and trans removed. Yes, it was only $450 bucks and about an hour from my house.
So my plan is to gut it and strip ALL of the wiring out, taking what I need for my CRX and then selling the wheels and coilovers to a friend, pulling off other random parts and then scrapping the car
(if this makes you cry, come buy it from me for "scrap value" pricing and it's yours)
Also, i'm about to order a welder and plasma cutter, and since we've wired up the back garage to have 220 power, i'm all set. I'll just have to figure out how to weld lol
I know there's an art to it, and MANY techniques, but i figure "hey, they teach high school kids how to weld, I can do it too". I'm pretty handy and my dad has been welding for a while, so i'm sure i can pick it up quick just by messing around with random scrap metal, and get the new welder dialed in.
Well, besides me learning how to weld, I plan on making my CRX fully OBD1 because i'm putting in a LSVtec motor that has a OBD1 P72 head, i'm using a OBD1 P72 ECU and also a OBD1 GSR cluster. So instead of adapting my CRX Si OBD0 harness and wiring 3 times at the engine harness plug, the ECU plug and the Cluster plug, i'll just make it all the same and more "plug and play".
I'm sure home of you hate that term, and it's really not as easy as it sounds, but i'll have more of a headstart this way, rather than keeping my OBD0 CRX Si wiring
*also, side note. Ignore my crazy brother in the pictures*
*side, side note. the last pic is my newly acquired OBD1 GSR Cluster. I'm going to roll the milage back to match the original miles on my CRX Si frame/body. it was 80 bucks shipped, in good working order and super minty.
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So I found a crazy good deal on a Brand New, in the box welder on craigs list. Once i got there, he also had a brand new in the box cart for that welder, and also a (full) tank for gas.
paid 900 bucks for the whole sha-bang.
Now i just have to learn how to weld lol
Also, does anyone have any tips, or a good way to bend up a roll cage system? i've been looking on eBay and there's hydraulic pipe benders that i've seen people use, but it's a slow process.
I don't know how crazy i'll get with the roll cage/bars, but i need to fab up something for the rear end, and probably tie it into the rear diff support
paid 900 bucks for the whole sha-bang.
Now i just have to learn how to weld lol
Also, does anyone have any tips, or a good way to bend up a roll cage system? i've been looking on eBay and there's hydraulic pipe benders that i've seen people use, but it's a slow process.
I don't know how crazy i'll get with the roll cage/bars, but i need to fab up something for the rear end, and probably tie it into the rear diff support